Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[Linda7NJ]

Yup, I've personally reported Nursing Homes to the Department of Health for Violations. I do hope the family sues Children's for malpractice. It's not about the money.

I hope they don't.

I don't want to say anything negative about this family. The hospital did not cause her to have this medical condition. They tried to treat what was clearly a problem that could have been avoided without surgical intervention. I believe the hospital and it's doctors didn't do enough to treat this problem before ever laying a scalpel to her. doctors are mandated reporters and this deadly problem she had was directly caused by being over fed....the state child protection agency also failed this child. The doctors had a duty to report to CPS. IMO

If the state gets to make laws that supersede parental rights, then they bare the responsibility of offering services to or if necessary, removing children from homes that endanger their lives. IMO


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[Piekun]

Yup, I've personally reported Nursing Homes to the Department of Health for Violations. I do hope the family sues Children's for malpractice. It's not about the money.

Unfortunately, according to some of the doctors here, the longer they keep her on life support, the harder it will be to find any evidence of malpractice (if such evidence exists) when they do the autopsy.

 

[Isabelle]

I am so disgusted with this family right now I am almost in tears.

That is disgusting and this has gone too far.

I am not sure how I would act/act out if I were in their shoes. I do know how I acted when I was lied to concerning events surrounding my son's death. My questions are still unanswered, but I have no recourse.

 

[MyBelle]

Yup, I've personally reported Nursing Homes to the Department of Health for Violations. I do hope the family sues Children's for malpractice. It's not about the money.

I totally agree with you.

 

[Cubby]

If Jahi started bleeding profusely because of trauma, the suctioning didn't cause the trauma.

Suctioning dislodging a blood clot, or clots, could cause traumatic blood loss. If something as simple as smoking or using a straw after the removal of a tooth can dislodge a blood clot, I can only imagine what damage may have been caused by Jahi's family suctioning her.

 

[Donjeta]

It is a procedure that involves sutures along the roof of the mouth whereas tonsillectomy/adenoids don't require sutures. At least my kids' didn't.

Several of the news articles quote the family as asking the ICU nurses if the bleeding was "normal" and some nurses said "no" and others said, "I don't know." It sounds to me that the nurses were not aware of the sutures.

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. It just sounds to me like she was bleeding a lot and the nurses were worried and weren't sure what to tell the family about it.

An ICU nurse who doesn't bother to find out about why their patients are there would in all likelihood get fired in short order imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am not sure how I would act/act out if I were in their shoes. I do know how I acted when I was lied to concerning events surrounding my son's death. My questions are still unanswered, but I have no recourse.

I am sooo sorry Isabelle.


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[LinasK]

I hope they don't.

I don't want to say anything negative about this family. The hospital did not cause her to have this medical condition. They tried to treat what was clearly a problem that could have been avoided without surgical intervention. I believe the hospital and it's doctors didn't do enough to treat this problem before ever laying a scalpel to her. doctors are mandated reporters and this deadly problem she had was directly caused by being over fed....the state child protection agency also failed this child. The doctors had a duty to report to CPS. IMO

If the state gets to make laws that supersede parental rights, then they bare the responsibility of offering services to or if necessary, removing children from homes that endanger their lives. IMO


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I don't disagree with you about her weight issues- though I would've called CPS on Honey BooBoo Child before calling them in on Jahi. But Children's Hospital failed Jahi and her family in the Post-Op Care. They should have attended to her when the bleeding began, instead of just assuming it was normal. They screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the 6-year-old was left brain-damaged. I sure hope JCAHO which accredits hospitals in California performs an investigation into Jahi's case!!!

 

[SophieRose]

Posting a medical/health are provider's phone number on FB to encourage others to call
as part of a 'keep-the-patient-alive-campaign'?
Summoning a flash mob in a hospital lobby? Who does this?

Does the family believe the general public's 'phone vote' should influence medical decisions for a particular patient?

Has 21st century US life morphed into one never-ending 'reality' show,
where viewers vote participants 'off the island' and dictate medical treatment?

JM2cts and I may be wrong (steps off soapbox). :seeya:


This FB site https://www.facebook.com/keepJahiMcmathonlifesupport
was linked several posts back, but I just noticed the following there from Dec. 23:
"Good morning everyone!!! Can't wait to see you all downstairs at 9:30am!!!
Here is the number to Dr. David Durand 510.428.XXXX,
please call and leave messages asking him to Keep Jahi Alive.** THANK YOU!!!!!!!"
(BBM and my retracting last 4 digits)

A commenter there replied as follows, which also expresses my thoughts:
"Um because the doctor is the chief of pediatrics and oversees several other doctors and probably 100's of children. Considering Jahi is in an ICU every single one of those children are fighting for there lives and by making it difficult for people to communicate with this doctor you are actually contributing to the illness and potential death of other children. ...." (BBM)

ETA: Another FB commenter: "He is a freaking pediatrician not your state senator."

That wasn't a flash mob, that was that planned march the family had last Monday. Media reported about 50 people in attendance.

 

[LinasK]

Unfortunately, according to some of the doctors here, the longer they keep her on life support, the harder it will be to find any evidence of malpractice (if such evidence exists) when they do the autopsy.

She doesn't need to be deceased to sue for malpractice. Children's Hospital also screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the little girl was left brain-damaged. The family sued and won.

 

[MyBelle]

I hope they don't.

I don't want to say anything negative about this family. The hospital did not cause her to have this medical condition. They tried to treat what was clearly a problem that could have been avoided without surgical intervention. I believe the hospital and it's doctors didn't do enough to treat this problem before ever laying a scalpel to her. doctors are mandated reporters and this deadly problem she had was directly caused by being over fed....the state child protection agency also failed this child. The doctors had a duty to report to CPS. IMO

If the state gets to make laws that supersede parental rights, then they bare the responsibility of offering services to or if necessary, removing children from homes that endanger their lives. IMO


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The medical condition was sleep apnea, not obesity. It is now the family's fault that doctors recommended and performed the surgery? Good to know.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't disagree with you about her weight issues- though I would've called CPS on Honey BooBoo Child before calling them in on Jahi. But Children's Hospital failed Jahi and her family in the Post-Op Care. They should have attended to her when the bleeding began, instead of just assuming it was normal. They screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the 6-year-old was left brain-damaged. I sure hope JCAHO which accredits hospitals in California performs an investigation into Jahi's case!!!

I agree with you too.

It's just so sad that a 13year old child died as a result ...no shortage of blame... Enough to go all around. The one that paid the price, in the end, was the child. Money can't fix this problem.


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[Linda7NJ]

She doesn't need to be deceased to sue for malpractice. Children's Hospital also screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the little girl was left brain-damaged. The family sued and won.

Iirc some like 4.5 million dollars for the child's lifetime care.


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[LinasK]

I don't understand why posters here are so quick to forgive Children's for Jahi's condition, when SF General recently screwed up in the neglect disappearance/death of Lynne Spaulding. Hospitals are NOT perfect. I worked in Nursing Homes, Hospitals, and Home Health for 13 years.

 

[MyBelle]

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. It just sounds to me like she was bleeding a lot and the nurses were worried and weren't sure what to tell the family about it.

An ICU nurse who doesn't bother to find out about why their patients are there would in all likelihood get fired in short order imo.

And shouldn't an ICU nurse get fired for not doing their job? The child shouldn't have been bleeding "a lot" with nurses not knowing or finding out the cause.

I arrive at my conclusion because sutures on the upper palate that are ruptured would cause massive bleeding from the nose and mouth and to the brain.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The medical condition was sleep apnea, not obesity. It is now the family's fault that doctors recommended and performed the surgery? Good to know.

I disagree.
Obesity made any sleep apnea worse, if it didn't totally cause it.


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[LinasK]

I disagree.
Obesity made any sleep apnea worse, if it didn't totally cause it.


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You can have sleep apnea without obesity- my husband is an example of that. He's long and lean.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The medical condition was sleep apnea, not obesity. It is now the family's fault that doctors recommended and performed the surgery? Good to know.

I've made myself abundantly clear. I believe there is more than enough blame to go around. That's my opinion.



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[Donjeta]

And shouldn't an ICU nurse get fired for not doing their job? The child shouldn't have been bleeding "a lot" with nurses not knowing or finding out the cause.

I arrive at my conclusion because sutures on the upper palate that are ruptured would cause massive bleeding from the nose and mouth and to the brain.

We don't know that the nurses didn't know or find out the cause and it is not anatomically self evident to me why sutures on the upper palate would cause massive bleeding to the brain.

 

[MyBelle]

Suctioning dislodging a blood clot, or clots, could cause traumatic blood loss. If something as simple as smoking or using a straw after the removal of a tooth can dislodge a blood clot, I can only imagine what damage may have been caused by Jahi's family suctioning her.

Jahi was bleeding heavily as her family entered her room. If there was suctioning done that caused harm, it was by staff not the family.