Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[shana]

Over my long lifetime, I would have appreciated such a certain DX as Brain Death. Instead, we were left with iffy DXs, recognizing that our loved ones would never come back from the catastrophes or illnesses which determined their end of life. We may not have been the definitive decision-makers but we were clearly there to weigh-in, with love. I count many close friends as well as my beloved parents and brother in this category.

I am so fortunate to have spoken to some of them when they realized their end was near. These conversations were the most valuable to us, and I would wish that everyone had such a chance.

And so, I am puzzled why anyone would deny or question Jahi's status, apart from not comprehending it. Some on her mother's donation site are giving out of their faith. I have no problem with that, except to say that many of them seem totally uninformed about the facts.

May this sweet and lovely child rest in peace...that is my wish tonight, along with a hope that neither her family or lawyer drags-out this tragedy any longer.

~jmo~

 

[Jacie Estes]

Firstly..IF this childs surgery required ICU care Post op..She would have totally bypassed the Recovery Room......Going to Recover Room (which means a 3-4 to ONE care ratio)..versus ICU one or more to one care...Means initial post-op from OR to Recovery by Aneasthetist and report given...means she was NOT intubated....and allowed to situp and suck on a popcicle...NO visitor would ever be able to supply a popcicle to anyone without clearances by Medical staff......
Guess Im NOT buying the post Cardiac Arrest..and Medical summaries not typed up until well after this horrendous thing.....CYA is very apparant to me...They should be glad I was on duty there!!!!



Who among us can declare true death...No one has even attempted to explain the connections of "Body..Mind and Soul"....Just because sudden blood loose caused electral brain activy loose....Does not mean ..that the soul of their loved one is dead.....Her young heart is beating on its own...no pacemaker..no extrernal mechanical devices....She is being supported with Respiratory Interventions..No one is making her heart beat.....

My point IS BBM She has a spontaneous Heart beat...NOTHING mechanical....



Yeppp..ALL bodily functions coordinate..IF breathing stops..oxygen stops..within a few minutes....multiple systems start to breadown....Unless she already had Kidney failures going on...Kidney's if NOT failing will continue once perfusions oof oxygenated blood goes on.....right along with her heart contines to beat..because the system is oxygenated...CUT off the breathing repirations (Ventilator)...Eventually her heart will stop..Vital signs will drop into bucket....circulations cease...Kidney's are usually the last to stop...BUT once Breathing..Heart function ceases..Who really uses Kidney Function to claim anything.....Those in Complete Kidney Failure would wish her young kidney's were a match for them tho....But thats another thread..

BBM This is one thing I kept wondering about. I had a surgery this summer where I was intubated. It wasn't for tonsils so I did not have the throat trauma but I was in recovery until I had some toast and a Pepsi, then I could go home.

Jahi was in the recovery and then taken to ICU, why wasn't she taken directly to ICU? In recovery, there is not someone there at every moment where there is in ICU. Also, when she started bleeding, why wasn't she attended to by a doctor right then or taken to ICU or back to an OR?

 

[Piekun]

I think the family questions the diagnosis of brain stem death and believes Jahi currently is in a vegetative state and might improve.

I think they believe that she is not brain dead but if she is, they believe brain death is not death. They wanted to fly in Dr Byrne during the court hearings, who was ready to testify that declaring people brain dead is a scheme to harvest organs.

It sounds like they're willing to believe anything that goes against her being dead.

 

[shana]

I would also like to add that from my perspective, this discussion has been respectful, informative, educational, and heartfelt...despite widely differing opinions. I haven't gone back to see which posts were edited or removed, but anyway...

This is a highly emotionally-charged issue for obvious reasons that needn't be enumerated.

I'm thankful that on this discussion, I've been able to post my own takes, even though I did so rarely.

Peace!

~jmo~

 

[otto]

I think they believe that she is not brain dead but if she is, they believe brain death is not death. They wanted to fly in Dr Byrne during the court hearings, who was ready to testify that declaring people brain dead is a scheme to harvest organs.

It sounds like they're willing to believe anything that goes against her being dead.

Even if there is a doctor willing to allege that the hospital is full of vultures waiting to reap the benefits of a death, I suspect the hospital will state in no uncertain terms that they are absolutely not interested in the internal organs of a child that appears to have had several health issues. Furthermore, it is the family's right to deny organ donation, so it's really a non-issue.

 

[jjenny]

Hospital has a right to turn off the ventillator tomorrow.
Doesn't appear that transfer to any facility is going to happen.
So what is the family going to do next?

 

[otto]

BBM This is one thing I kept wondering about. I had a surgery this summer where I was intubated. It wasn't for tonsils so I did not have the throat trauma but I was in recovery until I had some toast and a Pepsi, then I could go home.

Jahi was in the recovery and then taken to ICU, why wasn't she taken directly to ICU? In recovery, there is not someone there at every moment where there is in ICU. Also, when she started bleeding, why wasn't she attended to by a doctor right then or taken to ICU or back to an OR?

Wouldn't all post-surgical patients spend a little time in recovery while they come to? I remember that immediately after my son's neurosurgery, the surgeon found me and told me how things went, and he said that they would call me when my son had been settled into ICU.

 

[otto]

Hospital has a right to turn off the ventillator tomorrow.
Doesn't appear that transfer to any facility is going to happen.
So what is the family going to do next?

Hopefully they will make funeral plans and celebrate their daughter's life.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hospital has a right to turn off the ventillator tomorrow.
Doesn't appear that transfer to any facility is going to happen.
So what is the family going to do next?

They're going to grieve.


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[Jacie Estes]

Wouldn't all post-surgical patients spend a little time in recovery while they come to? I remember that immediately after my son's neurosurgery, the surgeon found me and told me how things went, and he said that they would call me when my son had been settled into ICU.

It was stated that ICU had been planned but once copious bleeding started, then she shouldn't have just stayed in recovery. They were originally using a cup to catch the blood and then were switched to a larger container. Sad story and, reading this last news story, it seems much heart ache for this family for a long time.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Even if there is a doctor willing to allege that the hospital is full of vultures waiting to reap the benefits of a death, I suspect the hospital will state in no uncertain terms that they are absolutely not interested in the internal organs of a child that appears to have had several health issues. Furthermore, it is the family's right to deny organ donation, so it's really a non-issue.

What health issues does she have that renders all of her organs useless?




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[MyBelle]

Even if there is a doctor willing to allege that the hospital is full of vultures waiting to reap the benefits of a death, I suspect the hospital will state in no uncertain terms that they are absolutely not interested in the internal organs of a child that appears to have had several health issues. Furthermore, it is the family's right to deny organ donation, so it's really a non-issue.

A non-issue? Says who? No singular doctor is going to try to battle a large hospital corporation in court. That said, the family has never stated they were asked to approve organ donation.

Of course the hospital will state it has no interest in the organs because, legally, it does NOT have any interest in the organs and never had an interest.

 

[momrids6]

Jahi McMath's family searches for options as life-support cutoff looms

A judge's ruling will allow a hospital to disconnect life support machines at 5 p.m. Monday from the 13-year-old girl, whom doctors declared brain dead after she suffered complications from tonsil surgery earlier this month. Jahi's family, who wants to transfer her somewhere else, told CNN affiliate KGO that they spent Sunday working the phones, trying to line up another option.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/?iref=obinsite

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Jahi McMath's family searches for options as life-support cutoff looms

A judge's ruling will allow a hospital to disconnect life support machines at 5 p.m. Monday from the 13-year-old girl, whom doctors declared brain dead after she suffered complications from tonsil surgery earlier this month. Jahi's family, who wants to transfer her somewhere else, told CNN affiliate KGO that they spent Sunday working the phones, trying to line up another option.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/?iref=obinsite

I can't imagine the desperation this family must feel. It's heart wrenching.


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[MyBelle]

Jahi McMath's family searches for options as life-support cutoff looms

A judge's ruling will allow a hospital to disconnect life support machines at 5 p.m. Monday from the 13-year-old girl, whom doctors declared brain dead after she suffered complications from tonsil surgery earlier this month. Jahi's family, who wants to transfer her somewhere else, told CNN affiliate KGO that they spent Sunday working the phones, trying to line up another option.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/?iref=obinsite

BBM. As much as I support the family, this isn't a political election. Trying to "line up another option" trivializes this situation. They need to back off and let the attorneys handle it.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

BBM. As much as I support the family, this isn't a political election. Trying to "line up another option" trivializes this situation. They need to back off and let the attorneys handle it.

I get what you are saying.
But it's their child. If they truly believe she can recover from this, they must be feeling pretty frantic right now and trying to do whatever it takes to stop that plug from being pulled.

I can't imagine.


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[MyBelle]

I get what you are saying.
But it's their child. If they truly believe she can recover from this, they must be feeling pretty frantic right now and trying to do whatever it takes to stop that plug from being pulled.

I can't imagine.


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I can't imagine, either but I'm also a realist. No way are they cold-calling care facilities trying to find another "option." That isn't believable.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I can't imagine, either but I'm also a realist. No way are they cold-calling care facilities trying to find another "option." That isn't believable.

I don't understand why that isn't believable or that there is no way they are calling around trying to find another option.

If I thought my daughter had a chance to recover and my only option to keep them from pulling the plug was to find somewhere willing to take her, I'd be calling anyone who would listen to me. No way would I wait for attorneys or court decisions.

I understand that she is brain dead. But maybe they truly haven't grasped that.


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[MyBelle]

I don't understand why that isn't believable or that there is no way they are calling around trying to find another option.

If I thought my daughter had a chance to recover and my only option to keep them from pulling the plug was to find somewhere willing to take her, I'd be calling anyone who would listen to me. No way would I wait for attorneys or court decisions.

I understand that she is brain dead. But maybe they truly haven't grasped that.


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It's not believable to me because I know all hospitals have a list of facilities that transfer patients on vents. There aren't that many. No need for a family to make blind calls. That's simply not believable to me.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I get what you are saying.
But it's their child. If they truly believe she can recover from this, they must be feeling pretty frantic right now and trying to do whatever it takes to stop that plug from being pulled.

I can't imagine.


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I sincerely hope that can find some measure of comfort & peace from the outpouring of support and compassion they've received and can grieve her passing. I also hope they can one day soon come to accept that their daughter, despite their best efforts could never recover from brain death.


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