Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #4

[fruity]

I hope I am being too cynical. I want to believe it isn't true. I want them to prove I'm wrong by moving Jahi.

 

[Herat]

Mom and Uncle know Jahi being kept on LS means bigger payout from CHO then having the plug pulled.

I think there is a huge risk to them by putting her in a patently unsuitable place like NB. Her degeneration is only going to happen faster.

Who is going to prescribe the drugs needs to maintain her blood pressure? Who is going to do the proper kind of skin care and toileting hygiene?

 

[iluvmua]

I'm thinking by moving Jahi to the facility or moving her to home there will be an endless supply of donations being made to this family and in reality all of that money will be going towards their bank accounts etc.

no better than George and Cindy IMO.

 

[Isabelle]

My guess is when Jahi is moved from CHO, her endotracheal tube might become displaced. If so, it will be over pretty quickly.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ges-stopped-feeding-girl-refer-teen-body.html

This is a few days old but I hadn't seen this before.
OS says in the video that they gave a copy of the video (of Jahi moving) to the hospital lawyer.
SS says that the judge said he knew it was very hard for the family to take but their child was deceased.

JMO but one of the other videos that was posted today, mom described the movement as Jahi throwing her arms up. It sounded an awful lot like the videos of the Lazarus reflex imo.

 

[Zuri]

With the current amount of money the family has raised, they could take Jahi home and pay for 28.57 days of skilled nursing care. I did not figure in the cost of supplies, equipment, ventilator, physician, respiratory therapist though. $1,680.00 per day for an RN through an agency at $70.00/hr. This way they would not have to travel and the family would have the support of their church and friends. Seems like a more plausible solution to me. And it is a heck of alot warmer. IMO

Btw, I didn't add in the cost of utilities...

 

[Donjeta]

No. But they're keeping the hope alive, imo. As I understand it, there's a religious exemption for brain death = deceased in NY and NJ (I read that here in connection with the Brody case and haven't verified it myself). I'm sure as far as the litigants are concerned, it ain't over until the fat lady sings or settles. jmo

Would NY honor a California death certificate even if it's different criteria or can she become "un-dead" when she is moved to NY?

 

[SwampMama]

I understand that, but isn't that just to transfer her to the new location? Leads me to wonder, would there be some loophole somewhere that her mother releases all responsibility once Jahi is at the new facility? (I am thinking in law terms at this point.)
Just a question to ponder, and it would make me super nervous as the intaking facility (and I am aware it's not built and doesn't have permits, correct doorways, windows, etc.) and what responsibilities the McMath family would impose on me.

Theoretical here.

I am in the crowd of there will be an extension to keep Jahi at CHO on Tuesday because others in the world, not just me, are worried about the same (legal) responsibilities that their attorney could come up with. He really has thrown a lot out there.

Oh I am sure there will be a new reason why they can't move her. But I would hope that if they do ask for ANOTHER extension that they are told no, sorry, you have had many weeks to make these plans. You have been forewarned of what was going to happen.

I'm wondering if this New Beginning facility will even pass an inspection. Wouldn't such a place need to have an inspection and license for occupancy, especially residential occupancy? And since it is geared towards a handicapped population, will they be able to meet all of the ADA regulations for such a facility?

I wonder if Jahi has insurance. Her mother claimed the insurance company would not stop coverage on her and would not put a deadline on her care (or something to that effect. So is New Beginnings a covered provider with this insurance company?Is the doctor who is supposed to treat Jahi an approved provider?

I just don't see this all coming together, financially or medically and even if it did, it would not make one difference to Jahi's fate.

 

[SwampMama]

I must admit that I am thankful Mr. Dolan has found a facility that will take Jahi and care for her. I hope they are able to fly her out tomorrow because of the freezing temps in New York and the predicted arctic front that is going to bring unmercifully cold temps and high winds. Hopefully the generator is working because so many have been losing power.

They might be better off leaving tonight, although there are excessive airport delays. Hopefully this facility will be the answer to all of Jahi's family's prayers and Jahi can be at peace. JMO

I am wondering if the family's next excuse for not removing jahi will be that they can't get a plane to fly because of the weather. I have been wondering this for days. Seems like if New Beginnings has been the plan all along for the last week or so and they are so motivated to get Jahi out of CHO, then why are they waiting around till the last moment?

 

[jjenny]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ges-stopped-feeding-girl-refer-teen-body.html

This is a few days old but I hadn't seen this before.
OS says in the video that they gave a copy of the video (of Jahi moving) to the hospital lawyer.
SS says that the judge said he knew it was very hard for the family to take but their child was deceased.

JMO but one of the other videos that was posted today, mom described the movement as Jahi throwing her arms up. It sounded an awful lot like the videos of the Lazarus reflex imo.

Sounds like Lazarus reflex to me as well. There are videos on youtube of supposedly brain dead patients doing this. It's a spinal cord reflex.

 

[MsSeal]

This must be so demoralizing to physicians and nurses and hospitals. You can be presumed guilty with no ability to tell your side because of the HIPAA laws and the media and a large majority of the public who appear to be siding with the victimized family because it makes for better headlines.


Even though the hospital is absorbing the cost of her care right now after brain death families will now realize then can refuse to disconnect ventilators if they do not wish to accept that definition of death. Since insurance or Medicaid will not pay the hospitals will need to absorb these costs. It could severely impact the financial condition of hospitals which are already struggling.

Imagine when the Winklefields need medical care or surgery for their other children. What doctor or facility will be willing to take them on? There are no absolutely 100% nothing-will-happen guarantees in medicine.

 

[Leilei]

Would NY honor a California death certificate even if it's different criteria or can she become "un-dead" when she is moved to NY?

I was just thinking about that, and how NB may have just made a whole bunch of trouble for themselves. Not from the family so much, but from laws regarding what you can and can't do with a deceased person. They say that they are a rehabilitation facility. What, exactly, do they plan to do to rehabilitate Jahi?

They need to be very, very careful if they do accept her.

 

[otto]

This must be so demoralizing to physicians and nurses and hospitals. You can be presumed guilty with no ability to tell your side because of the HIPAA laws and the media and a large mamority of the public who appear to be siding with the victimized family because it makes for better headlines.


Even though the hospital is absorbing the cost of her care right now after brain death families will now realize then can refuse to disconnect ventilators if they do not wish to accept that definition of death. Since insurance or Medicaid will not pay the hospitals will need to absorb these costs. It could severely impact the financial condition of hospitals which are already struggling.

Imagine when the Winklefields need medical care or surgery for their other children. What doctor or facility be willing to take them on? There are no absolutely 100% nothing-will-happen guarantees in medicine.

Hospitals might add a clause to the consent forms whereby patients must accept that if declared brain dead, they agree to termination of ventilation.

 

[MsSeal]

Hospitals might add a clause to the consent forms whereby patients must accept that if declared brain dead, they agree to termination of ventilation.

Yes, I can see that happening.

However the informed consent that Mrs. Winkfield signed does not seem to have mattered one bit in this situation so I could see a family claiming they did not understand what brain death is or if the hospital caused the death the vent should be kept on. To me that is what Mrs. Winkfield is saying...since they were "responsible" for the Jahi being brain dead the responsibility rests on them to provide the ventilator and continued care.

 

[Donjeta]

Terri Schiavo: how her family could affect Jahi McMath case
Terri Schiavo was taken off life support in 2005 despite her family's protests. Now, her family is intervening to try to keep Jahi McMath on a ventilator.
By Gloria Goodale, Staff writer / January 2, 2014
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...-how-her-family-could-affect-Jahi-McMath-case

Singer points out that no physician from the Schiavo organization has actually examined Jahi. “It is very unfortunate for the Schiavo Foundation to play on the idea that Jahi might come back to life in a highly emotional case,” he says.

“Before this case, more than likely most people had not given thought to the differences between the Schiavo case and the McMath case or to the topic of brain death,” says San Diego Deputy District Attorney Wendy Patrick, who is also an ordained minister. It’s important to realize that while this case involves medical technicalities about when death has clinically arrived, “it is primarily emotional for most people.”

Ms. Patrick sees the dialogue as helpful. Understanding the fine points of these issues is important as many baby boomers nearing retirement tackle questions about end-of-life medical directives, she says. Discussions about these cases bring up the “deepest levels of faith discussions,” whether or not people are overtly religious, and can help people make decisions that could be “very important” to them and their families at some point down the line, she adds.

“Science itself can be dogmatic and behave imperially. From the outside, it appears that McMath's parents are buying time not because they really dispute medical science's perspective on brain death but to undergo a necessary grieving process,” says Professor Agger. “For all of us who are parents, it is easy to see why they should have that right.”

 

[SwampMama]

New Beginnings accepts insurance and if a patient does not have coverage, there are hardship funds available to help pay their medical bills.

“We are not going to be turning anyone away,” Allyson vows."

http://www.milieuli.com/2011/03/allyson-scerri/

If she has so much money and funding, then why was she begging people to come and help fix the house that they will house people in? Why not build a new facility that was customized for the patients instead of using an old house that needed a total rehab?

If Jahi doesn't have insurance then the cost of her care is going to quickly eat up that hardship fund when that money could and should be used on patients who have the ability to benefit from their care.

She may be biting off more than she can chew because Jahi's family has some pretty high expectation of what they feel they are entitled to and they don't mind going to the media with their complaints whether they are real or imagined. What happens if New beginnings can no longer afford to care for Jahi or if they make a mistake that leads to Jahi's heart stopping, is Jahi's family going to sue them too?

So now that jahi is legally dead and her mother has assumed all responsibilty for her care, does that mean that CHO will not have to pay for this New Beginnings care? Does this affect the $30 million lawsuit because Jahi is legally dead, not disabled and requiring extensive care?

So many questions!

 

[krimekat]

Maybe she had a big vocabulary but any child who is bleeding all over is certainly going to think of blood before she thinks of mucus.

IMHO, she'd say snot

 

[Yoda]

Does anyone know if the family is planning on moving to NY to be near Jahi?

 

[Donjeta]

Allyson believes that all TBI clients can gain some type of recovery.

“It’s a long journey,” she says. “We are the last missing step in the long-term process. We’re going to take the word ‘plateau’ out and always make progress.”

She and another woman from the NBCC facility were interviewed in a video I posted earlier and the other lady said that everybody deserves hope.
It's a great philosophy but it's got to be difficult to make good on that promise if the client is brain dead.

I wonder if we're going to get glowing status updates of Jahi's progress in her rehabilitation.

 

[meme4]

Terri Schiavo: how her family could affect Jahi McMath case
Terri Schiavo was taken off life support in 2005 despite her family's protests. Now, her family is intervening to try to keep Jahi McMath on a ventilator.
By Gloria Goodale, Staff writer / January 2, 2014
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...hi-McMath-case

I think this a little misleading as no statements from Terri's family are quoted.....The faculty they claim she is going to was named for Terri Shavio......Dont know and correct me if I am wrong if the family of Terri Shavio have even issued a statement......Misinformation seems to be the theme in this saga.......