Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #6

[MaybeNotToday]

Isn't that alittle like the fox guarding the hen house?




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I thought it was opposite. Hens checking up on hens. . . And you know how hens can peck!

 

[ItsJustaName]

Long time lucker here. I registered in order to post on this topic.

I believe that Jahi was a very sick girl before the surgery. I'm sure that she was told that there were risks associated with the surgery. I am equally sure that the nurses in the PICU did not tell Jahi and her guests to suction her.

If those things are true and Jahi's family had anything to do with her death, it makes perfect sense to me that in order to emotionally distance themselves from their actions, that they would vilify the hospital/nurses/doctors and be in denial about her death.

I don't think its that unusual for someone to accidentially cause harm (maybe rear ending a car) and to then try to come up with reasons why it was really the other dirvers fault(he stopped too fast). With most of us that process of denial resolves itself fairly quickly. Either with reason, or objective witnesses or judgment.

In this case, Jahi's family may not be able to accept the enormity of their actions and need to stay in denial. The grandmother in particular bothers me. As a LVN she should know how hard nurses and doctors work. The uncle is something else. The picture on his instagram with his arm around Dolan grinning is bizarre.

The mother is truly grieving. Nothing will convince her Jahi is gone. That type of grief speaks to me of deep feelings of guilt. Guilt that her daughter needed the surgery. Guilt that she agreed to it. Guilt that it wasn't done on a different day so there would be a different outcome. If she did anything that really could have affected the outcome (not tell drs about bleeding, making her talk, feeding her, suctioning) then that guilt would be overwhelming. I would fell suicidal if I had done anything that had caused my child's death. Blaming the hospital may the the only way she can cope.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I keep wondering why these journalist keep bringing in these people who were either in a coma, brain damaged, PVS, its not the same thing, what do these people have to do with anything..I think they are helping to muddy the waters by doing that....And can someone who is on staff at CNN, HLN, Fox, please do some research and stop insinuating everything the family says is truth...She did not have a routine tonsilectomy, I am really tired of hearing this......what happened to truth in journalism......its not opinion, its not heresay, get the facts.....

Here's the rub for me... As healthcare costs increase and the divide between the haves and the have not widens...those people in PVS, comas, severely brain injured could very easily be next.

I'm ready. I don't like long shots and I'm perfectly fine accepting they're too much of a burden and too expensive to continue to treat when statistically it doesn't look likely at all the outcome will be good.

For me personally, it's about quality of life. Once that's gone, I want to be gone too. Are you all ready to hand that decision over too?




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[Softail]

ItsJustaName -

:greetings:

:welcome6:

Great first post!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, you could say that. And, in Louisiana, EMS/EMT,s are included.

Are cases presented like case studies? (Without names)




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[Linda7NJ]

Long time lucker here. I registered in order to post on this topic.

I believe that Jahi was a very sick girl before the surgery. I'm sure that she was told that there were risks associated with the surgery. I am equally sure that the nurses in the PICU did not tell Jahi and her guests to suction her.

If those things are true and Jahi's family had anything to do with her death, it makes perfect sense to me that in order to emotionally distance themselves from their actions, that they would vilify the hospital/nurses/doctors and be in denial about her death.

I don't think its that unusual for someone to accidentially cause harm (maybe rear ending a car) and to then try to come up with reasons why it was really the other dirvers fault(he stopped too fast). With most of us that process of denial resolves itself fairly quickly. Either with reason, or objective witnesses or judgment.

In this case, Jahi's family may not be able to accept the enormity of their actions and need to stay in denial. The grandmother in particular bothers me. As a LVN she should know how hard nurses and doctors work. The uncle is something else. The picture on his instagram with his arm around Dolan grinning is bizarre.

The mother is truly grieving. Nothing will convince her Jahi is gone. That type of grief speaks to me of deep feelings of guilt. Guilt that her daughter needed the surgery. Guilt that she agreed to it. Guilt that it wasn't done on a different day so there would be a different outcome. If she did anything that really could have affected the outcome (not tell drs about bleeding, making her talk, feeding her, suctioning) then that guilt would be overwhelming. I would fell suicidal if I had done anything that had caused my child's death. Blaming the hospital may the the only way she can cope.

Welcome to Websleuths!!!!

And I agree with your assessment of the mothers denial...nothing but compassion from me toward her.


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[nursebeeme]

Are cases presented like case studies?




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all QA that I am involved with is, yes. We also do chart review and there is a team of health care providers from the spectrum. The other double check, if you will, is case management. eta: you added "without names" after I responded.. no it includes the chart.. the case.

 

[Herat]

There really are physicians, RN's, case manager, etc who want to improve healthcare outcomes.

There really are people like this who want to identify a process that is below the standard of care and find ways to prevent or improve a negative outcome. Accepting a process or practice that is below the standard of care brings everyone down.

Really there are.

 

[Linda7NJ]

all QA that I am involved with is, yes. We also do chart review and there is a team of health care providers from the spectrum. The other double check, if you will, is case management. eta: you added "without names" after I responded.. no it includes the chart.. the case.

Thank you.




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[Isabelle]

Are cases presented like case studies? (Without names)




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No. All names and places are included ( my experience 10 years ago).

 

[Herat]

Seems Jahi had the surgery for a gtube and a trach.

http://instagram.com/p/i60m6vo0sN/

I can't open that. Do you have any more specific information?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Hello journalists:seeya:

http://blogs.spjnetwork.org/ethics/...entury-journalism-requires-21st-century-code/

I have always liked the SPJ Code, because it combines simplicity with detailed guidance. Three of the Code’s four basic principles — seek truth and report it; minimize harm; be accountable — are clear, direct and seldom disputed. They remain the heart of good journalism ethics and widely accepted by journalists. The fourth principle — act independently — is not as universally accepted and is at the heart of some recent controversies. The update process should include a discussion of whether this principle needs revision.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Seems Jahi had the surgery for a gtube and a trach.

http://instagram.com/p/i60m6vo0sN/

At every turn this woman's prayers are being answered. That's what she believes. I respect that. I find it unfortunate at the same time.

I'm an atheist, for the record.

But that sure looks like more positive reinforcement for the mom.


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[AnaTeresa]

I understand the difference of why they are keeping the pregnant woman on life support and wanted to remove Jahi, that it is because of the fetus, what I don't get is how the woman isn't deteriorating and Jahi is. If the hospital in Texas can keep the woman in a state of being "alive" and not decomposing, I can understand the upset of Jahi's family that CHO didn't/wouldn't/couldn't do the same for Jahi. It's the terming of one as alive and the other as dead, even though (fetus aside) they are both in the same physical state that I don't understand.

I do know that neither will recover, and that it's just a matter of time for both before neither have a beating heart any longer.

Exactly, I agree.

And I also find it rather disturbing how many people are adamant at calling Jahi a corpse and repeating ad nauseum that she is decomposing. I've been truly appalled by the lack of compassion for the family, particularly since attitudes are so very different toward the pregnant woman. There's a lot of people talking out of both sides of their mouths.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There really are physicians, RN's, case manager, etc who want to improve healthcare outcomes.



There really are people like this who want to identify a process that is below the standard of care and find ways to prevent or improve a negative outcome. Accepting a process or practice that is below the standard of care brings everyone down.



Really there are.

I was just wondering if it works anything like the Child Protection System...they generally are left to review their own and that doesn't seem to work very well.


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[Isabelle]

Seems Jahi had the surgery for a gtube and a trach.

http://instagram.com/p/i60m6vo0sN/

I cannot imagine the doctor would order feedings via the g-tube, Unless the court filed report was less than truthful. Maybe doc will allow very small pump controlled amounts of sterile normal saline.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Exactly, I agree.



And I also find it rather disturbing how many people are adamant at calling Jahi a corpse and repeating ad nauseum that she is decomposing. I've been truly appalled by the lack of compassion for the family, particularly since attitudes are so very different toward the pregnant woman. There's a lot of people talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Yes, that
I find it fascinating.

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[Minette]

seems jahi had the surgery for a gtube and a trach.

http://instagram.com/p/i60m6vo0sn/

eta: https://twitter.com/briazaire this is jahi's sister

w.o.w.

 

[Softail]

Seems Jahi had the surgery for a gtube and a trach.

http://instagram.com/p/i60m6vo0sN/

ETA: https://twitter.com/briazaire this is Jahi's sister

If that is true, OMG. :doh: I have no words.

 

[popsicle]

I can't open that. Do you have any more specific information?

https://twitter.com/briazaire her sister