Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #8

[Leilei]

Most of you know that I've been following Jahi's thread since the beginning. I still check in daily to see if there are any updates. Last night, I found out that a young man who is the owner of a forum that hubby and I frequent went in to have a tonsillectomy at the beginning of the month. Yesterday, after being home and recovering, he woke up to severe bleeding. The bleeding would not stop, so he went to the ER and is now admitted to the hospital and being treated. He should be fine, from what his updates say. But, it brought home to me just how random these after effects can be. This young man is very health-conscious, and I can't imagine him disobeying his doctor's orders. Plus, the bleeding began over a week after his surgery.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it can happen to anyone, at any time, even when you follow your doctor's post-surgery orders.

Still thinking of you, Jahi.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

We drew up wills when we bought our first home many years ago. We got new ones when our son died, I drew up a new one when Joe died also a new living will. It gives one peace of mind. I seriously think if Jahi had been buried when she died, we would have read about it felt just as bad, but gone on. The thing that is so shocking is how can anyone do this? will others try to follow suit? I sure hope not but there are loonies out there. We feel sorry for the girl~ she is safely in Heaven now and her mother if so religious should know that. We have all looked at some rough stuff through the years. We are all curious by nature but dam, in a loving way! :loveyou:

Right now, I have drafts of a new Will for me and DH ready to edit. Also, durable powers of attorney and advanced care directives. While we needed new wills, it took this case to push DH to quit trying to do it himself on the computer and go see a good attorney. I don't want anyone to be in a quandary as to what to do when I die or am in a prolonged, persistent vegetative state.

I pray daily that Jahi's mother will come to a rational understanding of her daughter's condition and let her go in peace.

 

[Elphaba]

I was going to say that at least Uncle O is getting back to regular life, given that he posted about an upcoming competition and that he had scored his first acting gig. He has since pulled that post. Not sure what that is a sign of, given that he is their spokesperson. I keep hoping to hear that poor Jahi has finally been allowed to rest in peace, or at least, hear how her mother is doing because as much as I do not agree with their method of dealing with Jahi's situation, the parental side of me feels some compassion for her mother. Regardless of it all, Jahi is her baby and the anguish and pain has to be overwhelming.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

My apologies if this question has been asked multiple times...

Why haven't news reporters tracked down where Jahi was moved to?
This couldn't be too difficult.
ex: hire a lisensed private investigator who is legally allowed to find out the mother's home address, and is also legally able to follow her

Are there privacy laws that are preventing them from doing this?

I know it's a yucky, stalker kind of a question :blushing:
I'm just surprised that the media hasn't pursued finding her.
If for no other reason but to check for accountability (of donations) on the family's part.

Thanks..

 

[iamnotagolem]

I check back in here every couple of weeks just astonished that this is still going on. Unbelievable.

 

[ca2james]

My apologies if this question has been asked multiple times...

Why haven't news reporters tracked down where Jahi was moved to?
This couldn't be too difficult.
ex: hire a lisensed private investigator who is legally allowed to find out the mother's home address, and is also legally able to follow her

Are there privacy laws that are preventing them from doing this?

I know it's a yucky, stalker kind of a question :blushing:
I'm just surprised that the media hasn't pursued finding her.
If for no other reason but to check for accountability (of donations) on the family's part.

Thanks..

Oh yes, this is a very stalker-like question but that doesnt stop me from wondering about it myself. I'm actually less interested in Jahi's exact location than in the type of facility in which her body resides. Is it a private family home, a long-term care facility, a hospital, a church, or something else? I'm also curious about who is providing care: the family and friends only with day help from a nurse, around the clock RN care, or something else?

I also wonder whether any reporters or investigators have tried to find Jahi. I'd expect someone to have attempted to find her after all this time. After all that initial publicity and all those press conferences, we can't be the only ones who are curious about Jahi's location, right?

If someone has tried to find her - even if they've failed - I wonder why they're not talking about it. So much information about Jahi has been made public so why wouldn't some media admit to trying and failing to find this particular bit of information?

 

[Steft50]

Oh yes, this is a very stalker-like question but that doesnt stop me from wondering about it myself. I'm actually less interested in Jahi's exact location than in the type of facility in which her body resides. Is it a private family home, a long-term care facility, a hospital, a church, or something else? I'm also curious about who is providing care: the family and friends only with day help from a nurse, around the clock RN care, or something else?

I also wonder whether any reporters or investigators have tried to find Jahi. I'd expect someone to have attempted to find her after all this time. After all that initial publicity and all those press conferences, we can't be the only ones who are curious about Jahi's location, right?

If someone has tried to find her - even if they've failed - I wonder why they're not talking about it. So much information about Jahi has been made public so why wouldn't some media admit to trying and failing to find this particular bit of information?

I'm just guessing here but it could be they no longer view the story as newsworthy any more. Once she was removed from the hospital the controversy ended, thereby ending the high ratings and the story.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it would be ethically wrong to report her whereabouts.... And so what if they did locate her. That would be the extent of the information that could legally be reported without her mothers permission.


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[21merc7]

Media may know where Jahi is.

I think it wise not to publish, can you imagine the crowds that would show up and make a scene?

Can't remember if the Judge Ordered it kept private, but would have been a good idea.

We will just have to guess that she is either at a facility or at someone's home.

Still check in here to see if there are any updates. I still feel sorry for Jahi and her Mom. It certainly brings the age old question of what makes us a living being with a soul, and where do souls go, come back to the forefront of one's mind.

 

[nrdsb4]

I think it would be ethically wrong to report her whereabouts.... And so what if they did locate her. That would be the extent of the information that could legally be reported without her mothers permission.


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Since when have ethics ever stopped a media outlet from reporting something if they thought it would sell papers or make them money? If TMZ was interested in Jahi's whereabouts, they would find out and report it. I just think they aren't interested.

TMZ is not bound by HIPAA, so if they were interested in and found out details of Jahi's condition, they would report it.

 

[al66pine]

Since when have ethics ever stopped a media outlet from reporting something if they thought it would sell papers or make them money? If TMZ was interested in Jahi's whereabouts, they would find out and report it. I just think they aren't interested.

TMZ is not bound by HIPAA, so if they were interested in and found out details of Jahi's condition, they would report it.

^^^Exactly^^^
If reporters followed Jahi's transport from hosp, seems like
her (original) location after that would have publicly surfaced by now, imo.

Even if they had not followed ambu that night, seems like reporters
would be knocking on mom's door now and then.
Seems like they could go to mom's house, then follow mom or other fam
to Jahi's location, imo.
Seems like, once Jahi is located, they could try to interview
nurses & other h/c providers coming and going from facility/church/whatever bldg, imo.

Puzzling that Jahi's location has not been published. Not saying it would be wise or ethical to do so.
JM2cts and I could be wrong. :seeya:

 

[Peliman]

Since when have ethics ever stopped a media outlet from reporting something if they thought it would sell papers or make them money? If TMZ was interested in Jahi's whereabouts, they would find out and report it. I just think they aren't interested.

TMZ is not bound by HIPAA, so if they were interested in and found out details of Jahi's condition, they would report it.

Not necessary, some stories have a yuk factor causing viewers to turn channels and go somewhere else. Why you wont see blood and guts on tv news. I imagine some reputable news organizations won't report her whereabouts if they knew, fearing a lawsuit. All JMO but when I worked in news we couldn't show blood (very rarely) or needles going into skin. Viewership was lost.

That doesn't mean every news organization is responsible.

 

[al66pine]

Anyone here following SM sites of Jahi's mom or fam?
If so, any updates from them?

When med devices no longer keep Jahi's heart beating,
will Jahi's mom & fam will announce on SM?
Or hold interviews w MSM?

If they don't, is there a way MSM will 'catch' and write about this?
As I understand it, back in Dec. ME or coroner did a provisional (terminology?) D/C.
After ME completes death cert. is it a record accessible to public?

Presumably Jahi was issued a SocSec#, so when funeral home deals w remains,
it would file report of death to SocSec admin (as I understand that procedure).

 

[BeginnersLuck]

The initial story was a headline grabber because of the sad situation and the misconception about Jahi's condition.

I think "most" realize that she is deceased and the ones that don't or view this differently than most would probably be pretty upset if the family was bothered by the media.

I don't see anything but bad results if her location were to be disclosed. I won't elaborate on that, other than to say look what happened at CHO. It affected many, many people.

 

[nrdsb4]

Not necessary, some stories have a yuk factor causing viewers to turn channels and go somewhere else. Why you wont see blood and guts on tv news. I imagine some reputable news organizations won't report her whereabouts if they knew, fearing a lawsuit. All JMO but when I worked in news we couldn't show blood (very rarely) or needles going into skin. Viewership was lost.

That doesn't mean every news organization is responsible.

Yes, that's true. That's why I mentioned TMZ. I don't think their journalistic ethics rise to the level of other more responsible organizations.

 

[K_Z]

I'm okay with "not knowing" where Jahi's body has been taken. The outcome is inevitable-- her heart will stop at some point. And in the mean time, the condition of her body is deteriorating every day. I'm sure her body has lost a great deal of weight, and is barely recognizable to even her family. I'm sure her trach smells horrible, as well as many other unpleasant body changes. I can't even imagine the condition of her mouth and eyes.

This family has created their own sad, difficult, pitiful situation by bringing her body "wherever", and trying to pretend she is going to open her eyes and rise up any day now. The reality of her body's condition is the painful truth the family has to see, touch, and smell. They may not "acknowledge" this openly on their facebook sites, but it's not something they can avoid.

I'm glad the media has left them alone. Uncle O and Atty Dolan have lost their daily platform. When her heart stops, we will hear something. I hope it's soon. It's beyond time for this teen to be laid to rest. IMO.

 

[Nore]

Anyone here following SM sites of Jahi's mom or fam?
If so, any updates from them?

When med devices no longer keep Jahi's heart beating,
will Jahi's mom & fam will announce on SM?
Or hold interviews w MSM?

If they don't, is there a way MSM will 'catch' and write about this?
As I understand it, back in Dec. ME or coroner did a provisional (terminology?) D/C.
After ME completes death cert. is it a record accessible to public?

Presumably Jahi was issued a SocSec#, so when funeral home deals w remains,
it would file report of death to SocSec admin (as I understand that procedure).

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I think anyone can get a d/c if they have the info.. Date of birth, of death, full name, possibly address, relation to deceased. This is quite a legal sheet.

 

[ajurk]

I don't think they can legally ask for money to "keep Jahi alive" if she if off ventilation and, I guess dead, to the mother.

 

[ca2james]

I don't think they can legally ask for money to "keep Jahi alive" if she if off ventilation and, I guess dead, to the mother.

Her heart could beat for a short time after the ventilator was removed but it wouldnt beat for long.

There's a part of me that wonders about the legality of accepting the donations. The page was originally set up to gather money for long-distance transportation but that didnt happen. So I wonder how the money is actually being used.

I hope that it's going to maintenance and care of Jahi's body but I have no way of knowing that. I actually sent a message to the page administration asking how the money was being used but heard nothing back. I'm sure the people donating don't care one way or another because they assume their dollars are going to Jahi somehow.

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that if one is collecting money for one purpose and then does not use it for that purpose, one is committing fraud. Is that right?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Her heart could beat for a short time after the ventilator was removed but it wouldnt beat for long.

There's a part of me that wonders about the legality of accepting the donations. The page was originally set up to gather money for long-distance transportation but that didnt happen. So I wonder how the money is actually being used.

I hope that it's going to maintenance and care of Jahi's body but I have no way of knowing that. I actually sent a message to the page administration asking how the money was being used but heard nothing back. I'm sure the people donating don't care one way or another because they assume their dollars are going to Jahi somehow.

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that if one is collecting money for one purpose and then does not use it for that purpose, one is committing fraud. Is that right?

I know I have seen bank accounts set up for donations for families and there is accounting of funds in a lot of situations. Go Fund Me doesn't seem to work like that. What you donate is considered a gift. There are all kinds of people asking for money for different things on that sight. Anything goes. So basically, people should donate at their own risk.

People shouldn't donate randomly like this if they are concerned about how the money is being spent. There are no guidelines for the requester to follow.

Here's a little more from the site:

eta: the link won't post here, it's not allowed. If you go to the site though, under frequently asked questions, there is a link for how do I know it's safe to donate.