Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey #2

[Slebby]

My FIL sustained a TBI by hitting his head on a concrete patio. There was not any evidence of injury on the scalp whatsoever.

He was found unconscious lying on the patio. He was still unconscious when the paramedics arrived. The doctors surmised that he either slipped and fell somehow or he had passed out and fell. Brain scans indicated a bleed, but there was no outward sign of the injury. He did not remember what happened, so they just had to guess.

Yes, if the skin was not broken, there would be no outward sign of the injury, and no apparent bleeding.
Same happened when I accidentally hit my brother with a baseball bat. Fractured his skull, no external wound.

 

[CloudedTruth]

If JonBenet was unconscious for 40 minutes to two hours before death, why were there no visible injuries or swellings to her scalp? We all know what happens when you bump your head, you get a lump the size of an egg. No one knows what Dr Rorke said during the grand jury sittings. James kolar isn’t a brain doctor and his retelling of Dr Rorkes testimony is here say. According to the autopsy, the only damage to jonbenets scalp was on the inside of the scalp.

The autopsy specifically states “scalp contusion”. It’s on the first page under Final Diagnosis. In section II, Craniocerebral injuries. A. Scalp contusion.

Mark Beckner was privy to the testimony presented to the GJ. His statement is very clear.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yes, if the skin was not broken, there would be no outward sign of the injury, and no apparent bleeding.
Same happened when I accidentally hit my brother with a baseball bat. Fractured his skull, no external wound.

Exactly. There isn’t always an obvious outward sign.

Hope your brother made a full recovery…..

 

[snarast]

The prevailing hypothesis is, it seems, the parents did it. Then this follows (IMO):

They are sociopaths.

How would sociopaths act in this situation?

They would savour the moment. Enjoy themselves. And stay in Boulder.

This woman shows the more common sociopathic trait when she goes on TV shows effortlessly garnering sympathy from 99% of the audience:

Case asks: Is she a heroic mom or a shrewd killer?

No one disputes this fact: Tracey Roberts, at home with her three children, fired nine shots from two guns into her 20-year-old neighbor, leaving him dead on the floor of her bedroom.

www.nbcnews.com

In fact, she murdered the neighbour boy she’d seen growing up in order to frame her ex-husband to get custody of her own child. Bought by most for 10+ years…

That’s the type of behavior I’d be looking for, not fleeing the state, stifling that coveted career and dying down on the farm.

IMHO

 

[Val1943]

A new DNA technique found genetic traces of an unidentified male on clothing worn by JonBenet, clearing her family of suspicion

The FBI will find the one killer weather he`s dead or alive

To add.
A new DNA technique found genetic traces of an unidentified male on clothing worn by JonBenet,?
means the FBI will find the killer`s relative with the same DNA.

Genetic genealogy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ponytale]

The prevailing hypothesis is, it seems, the parents did it. Then this follows (IMO):

They are sociopaths.

How would sociopaths act in this situation?

They would savour the moment. Enjoy themselves. And stay in Boulder.

This woman shows the more common sociopathic trait when she goes on TV shows effortlessly garnering sympathy from 99% of the audience:

Case asks: Is she a heroic mom or a shrewd killer?

No one disputes this fact: Tracey Roberts, at home with her three children, fired nine shots from two guns into her 20-year-old neighbor, leaving him dead on the floor of her bedroom.

www.nbcnews.com

In fact, she murdered the neighbour boy she’d seen growing up in order to frame her ex-husband to get custody of her own child. Bought by most for 10+ years…

That’s the type of behavior I’d be looking for, not fleeing the state, stifling that coveted career and dying down on the farm.

IMHO

Why would the parents who cover up for their sons accident need to be sociopaths?
I do not believe that John or/and Patsy showed any signs that would suggest them being sociopaths. But, if they were indeed sociopaths like you suggest, they still had their social status, reputation and a son to protect.

 

[Bekind89]

To add.
A new DNA technique found genetic traces of an unidentified male on clothing worn by JonBenet,?
means the FBI will find the killer`s relative with the same DNA.

Genetic genealogy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are sociopaths everywhere and they do not always give out obvious signs. CEO's for instance, parents who commit incest, pedophiles.
They seem absolutely normal until they are caught, if they are ever caught.
" He was the nicest neighbor we ever had." Jmo.

 

[snarast]

Why would the parents who cover up for their sons accident need to be sociopaths?
I do not believe that John or/and Patsy showed any signs that would suggest them being sociopaths. But, if they were indeed sociopaths like you suggest, they still had their social status, reputation and a son to protect.

In order to write that note after the supposed accident they’d have to be sociopaths. That is ice cold. The note is just evil to the core IMO.

Personally, I think a friend of theirs did it. Not family, but someone with easy access.

I’d like to see the relatives of all their friends be sequenced with WGS. I’m betting the killer’s DNA would match someone rather closely.

Lets say they had 100 male friends in Boulder -wgs is around $100 now, so that’s $10.000. Could be worth it.

IMHO

 

[Ponytale]

In order to write that note after the supposed accident they’d have to be sociopaths. That is ice cold. The note is just evil to the core IMO

I could write that note. Or some cruel and gruesome screenplay, if I wanted to. Horror and thriller movie directors and book writers of fiction and fantasy think up far more gruesome storylines all the time. Do they need to be sociopaths to do so? I doubt it. All it takes is a good fantasy and some knowledge on literature.

They had hours to write it and possibly did it after they had time to think it all through and come to their reasons why they need to do it in the first place. They could not have done it in a spur of the moment and initial shock. Time holds a key in all of this and they did have the whole night. IMO

 

[snarast]

I could write that note. Or some cruel and gruesome screenplay, if I wanted to. Horror and thriller movie directors and book writers of fiction and fantasy think up far more gruesome storylines all the time. Do they need to be sociopaths to do so? I doubt it. All it takes is a good fantasy and some knowledge on literature.

They had hours to write it and possibly did it after they had time to think it all through and come to their reasons why they need to do it in the first place. They could not have done it in a spur of the moment and initial shock. Time holds a key in all of this and they did have the whole night. IMO

Yeah I could write it too. But could I glibly write dirty harry lines when my child just died? I don’t think so. It’s the context that makes it evil.

I also don’t think it was a ransom note, the killer set out to kill her in the house for a reason. Fun times.

Most ppl would say the garrotte digging an inch deep into her neck is what the parents couldn’t bring themselves to do.

 

[Ponytale]

Yeah I could write it too. But could I glibly write dirty harry lines when my child just died? I don’t think so.

But what if it -
It was a mutual decision with your partner and you were persuaded to go with the cover up that needed a ransom letter?
It was for the purpose of protecting your son who was behind the accidental head blow and you are afraid that CPS would take him away (because you knew of things that could be incriminating)?
You knew that the records of your son who had caused the accident show that you were aware of his behavioral problems and decided not to address them?
You knew about the previous SA that could not be explained away?
You had a high social status and cared very much about your reputation, not wanting to become a parent of a child who murdered his sister?
You did not want your child grow up knowing and being a murderer of his sister?

Yes, you could think that of course not! Why risk all this and then be caught? Right? I would sure think that and I believe that many think exactly that and see it as a reason why just call 911 or confess. But the thing here is - you, me and those "many others" do not have the means needed - we do not have the money, the power, the reputation and connections with people in high places nor the chance to hire top lawyers for all our family members for years. And that is why we would be afraid to risk it all - not worth it.

But the Ramsey's were different. They had connections. There were phone calls made (presumably, not a fact) possibly before the 911 call. And even if there were no calls made before the 911 call to get help - the lawyers were there the next day to "protect" the innocent parents who did not even seem anxious or worried about the call from the kidnappers. They had all the money and power to know that they may pull it through. And they were willing to risk it all because if they didn't it would not have mattered anymore - they would lose anyway, all they had was a chance that maybe it will work and they went for it. Why not then go all out and see if it all could just be explained and paid away. And they were just lucky... IMO.

 

[snarast]

But what if it -
It was a mutual decision with your partner and you were persuaded to go with the cover up that needed a ransom letter?
It was for the purpose of protecting your son who was behind the accidental head blow and you are afraid that CPS would take him away (because you knew of things that could be incriminating)?
You knew that the records of your son who had caused the accident show that you were aware of his behavioral problems and decided not to address them?
You knew about the previous SA that could not be explained away?
You had a high social status and cared very much about your reputation, not wanting to become a parent of a child who murdered his sister?
You did not want your child grow up knowing and being a murderer of his sister?

Yes, you could think that of course not! Why risk all this and then be caught? Right? I would sure think that and I believe that many think exactly that and see it as a reason why just call 911 or confess. But the thing here is - you, me and those "many others" do not have the means needed - we do not have the money, the power, the reputation and connections with people in high places nor the chance to hire top lawyers for all our family members for years. And that is why we would be afraid to risk it all - not worth it.

But the Ramsey's were different. They had connections. There were phone calls made (presumably, not a fact) possibly before the 911 call. And even if there were no calls made before the 911 call to get help - the lawyers were there the next day to "protect" the innocent parents who did not even seem anxious or worried about the call from the kidnappers. They had all the money and power to know that they may pull it through. And they were willing to risk it all because if they didn't it would not have mattered anymore - they would lose anyway, all they had was a chance that maybe it will work and they went for it. Why not then go all out and see if it all could just be explained and paid away. And they were just lucky... IMO.

These are very good points. I’m going tpo have to mull it over.

 

[Val1943]

why

I`M still GUESSING THE KILLERS ARE FROM THE PHILIPPINES ? John Ramsey joined the Navy in 1966, served as a Civil Engineer Corps officer in the Philippines for three years, and in an Atlanta reserve unit for an additional eight years THE RANSOM LETTER ,Victory! S.B.T.C S.B.T.C, Security Bank and Trust Company, was the original name of Security Bank, a leading universal bank in the Philippines.Security Bank and Trust Company,? The Philippines? Mr. Ramsey, Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. The Philippines? THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA?Yes in finding the matching to the male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder cas

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[GRT]

Whose name is notably absent from the list of Ramsey acquaintances on the DNA report?

 

[snarast]

Ok. So it’s unlikely the perp hadn’t been in the house before the night of the murder. He knew his way around. In other words, he is not completely unknown to the Ramseys. IMO

Since whole genome sequencing doesn’t cost much anymore, why not sample the relatives of Ramsey’s friends and neighbors? Those that are willing, obviously.

That would likely be much cheaper and faster than genetic genealogy, which you should primarily resort to if you have no clue at all.

IMHO

 

[Slebby]

I could write that note. Or some cruel and gruesome screenplay, if I wanted to. Horror and thriller movie directors and book writers of fiction and fantasy think up far more gruesome storylines all the time. Do they need to be sociopaths to do so? I doubt it. All it takes is a good fantasy and some knowledge on literature.

They had hours to write it and possibly did it after they had time to think it all through and come to their reasons why they need to do it in the first place. They could not have done it in a spur of the moment and initial shock. Time holds a key in all of this and they did have the whole night. IMO

I find it easy to see how a parent could write that RN. People lie all the time to avoid the consequences of their action. IMO, the ransom letter is just a lie, a concocted story intended to divert attention away from what real happened. It just happens to be a lie in letter form.

Is it any more unthinkable that PR could write such a RN than, say, a mother who covers up the murder of her sons with a false report of a black man kidnapping her sons during a carjacking, when she had in fact rolled her car into a lake, drowning them?

IMHO

 

[Ponytale]

Ok. So it’s unlikely the perp hadn’t been in the house before the night of the murder. He knew his way around. In other words, he is not completely unknown to the Ramseys. IMO

If he is know to the Ramsey's, do you believe that the Ramsey's know too who that intruder is?

Since whole genome sequencing doesn’t cost much anymore, why not sample the relatives of Ramsey’s friends and neighbors? Those that are willing, obviously.

I believe all the necessary investigation and gathering of evidence from the Ramsey's family and inner circle was done at that time, and LE just does not need to do it again, because they had not found anything suspicious. Or if it was not done to the extent that should be necessary, they possibly just do not suspect anyone to gather more evidence or do additional testing. IMO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

This quote is from the AMA that Former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner conducted on Reddit a few years ago:

We know from the evidence she was hit in the head very hard with an unknown object, possibly a flashlight or similar type item. The blow knocked her into deep unconsciousness, which could have led someone to believe she was dead. The strangulation came 45 minutes to two hours after the head strike, based on the swelling on the brain. While the head wound would have eventually killed her, the strangulation actually did kill her. The rest of the scene we believe was staged, including the vaginal trauma, to make it look like a kidnapping/assault gone bad. I have avoided saying who I believe is responsible and let the facts speak for themselves. There are several viable theories.

This was part of the testimony that the Grand Jury heard about the head wound. I think it is most compelling when one considers that the coroner, Dr. John Meyer testified to the Grand Jury. Also testifying were Dr. Lucy Rorke, whom Dr. Meyer had asked to consult on the results of the autopsy specific to the head wound.

She was knocked deeply unconscious according to Dr. Rorke, and it is very possible that she was thought to be dead. Signs of life would have been difficult to detect. The brain is the "command center" of the body if you will. It is responsible for sending signals through the nervous system to the other organs to regulate things like breathing, heart rate, body temperature, digestion, etc. When someone is knocked unconscious, especially into a deep unconsciousness as was with JBR, organ function is affected. One of the things that happens is that blood pressure is diminished, and the first area to suffer from a loss of blood flow is the brain. Among the things noted by Dr. Rorke was that there was necrosis in the brain tissue. Necrosis is "the death of cells or tissues in the body that occurs when cells are deprived of oxygen, nutrients or blood flow, leading to their irreversible damage and eventual demise". In her deeply unconscious state, JBR's brain was being deprived of oxygen, nutrients and blood flow as a result of the lack of signals from the brain to the essential organs.

There is no indication in the autopsy report that Dr. Meyer cut away or shaved any hair from JBR's head to thoroughly examine the scalp. We do know from the lack of blood at the scene and on her head and in her hair that the skin of the scalp was not broken. But it is noted in the autopsy report that there was a scalp contusion. I would call that an injury.

This better explains to me the lack of blood in the skull cavity.
It also makes an intruder who hung around after maiming her very very unlikely as he would have though her dead and would not want to be caught with her in that state.

 

[Slebby]

This better explains to me the lack of blood in the skull cavity.
It also makes an intruder who hung around after maiming her very very unlikely as he would have though her dead and would not want to be caught with her in that state.

And in terms of the “torture” inflicted, as some posters here have described, I would expect the alleged intruder would not have derived much enjoyment out of inflicting such “torture” if the victim was out cold and so near death as to not feel anything. This too, imo, points more to the SA as staged than a true SA.
IMO

 

[Deleted member 187229]

And in terms of the “torture” inflicted, as some posters here have described, I would expect the alleged intruder would not have derived much enjoyment out of inflicting such “torture” if the victim was out cold and so near death as to not feel anything. This too, imo, points more to the SA as staged than a true SA.
IMO

The sexual assault happened

And in terms of the “torture” inflicted, as some posters here have described, I would expect the alleged intruder would not have derived much enjoyment out of inflicting such “torture” if the victim was out cold and so near death as to not feel anything. This too, imo, points more to the SA as staged than a true SA.
IMO

JonBenet Ramsey was the apparent victim of a forceful sexual attack in the minutes before she was strangled to death - an attack that left her body scraped and bruised, according to a partial autopsy report released Friday by a Boulder County judge. “ Sheila Rappaport, a Denver prosecutor who tries individuals accused of sexually assaulting or killing small children, said such a pattern is indicative of a forceful sexual attack.” Jon Benet Ramsey Investigation: The Denver Post Online