Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey #2

[AppleTreeGreen]

But how can you consider it to be a "good instinct" to call the cops if in the result of that you could get your child killed? What parent would risk such a thing? I do not think that it is a good instinct but rather a foolish decision. Unless I knew that my child was really not in any danger... IMO

NCIC, NCMEC and the FBI recommend contacting the local authorities immediately once you learn or realize your child has been kidnapped or has gone missing. Usually the FBI says the first 48 hours are integral for an investigation but it is also important to keep in mind that when a child is kidnapped by a stranger or predator unknown to them, the likelihood of the child being physically assaulted, sexually assaulted and/or murdered is horribly and tragically very high.


As intimidating and overwhelming as the RN’s threats are, it is important to remember that even if parents or guardians comply with the kidnappers’ demands it does not guarantee that the child will be returned home safely or alive, as seen in the Baby Charles Lindbergh case, the Greenlease kidnapping, Marion Parker, Peter Weinberger and many more. At least with LE on your side you take some of the power out of the kidnappers’ hands while working with a team of experts who can issue Amber alerts, organize searches across the county, state and/or country and have access to CCTV, phone records, search dogs and forensic tools. Furthermore, it can increase the odds of a member of the public identifying and recognizing your child and hopefully leave to the abductee being rescued in time and being reunited with their family. If tragically, a child’s loved ones are robbed of that chance, the earlier they are alerted and involved, the higher the chance LE has of catching and identifying the kidnappers and bring them to justice for the crimes and harm they caused.

Non-Family Abduction | Child Crime Prevention & Safety Center

The Child Crime Prevention & Safety Center includes information about keeping kids safe from crime, including Non-Family Abduction situations.

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Crimes Against Children Spotlight: Child Abductions - Known Relationships are the Greater Danger | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

The majority of child abductions are committed by persons with a relationship to the child they abduct.

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Abduction, Kidnapping and False Imprisonment: Definitions and Remedies (Including Domestic Dispute Child Kidnapping) | Stimmel Law

Kidnapping for ransom is the first thought that comes to mind when one considers abduction and kidnapping but in reality many charges of kidnapping relate to child custody disputes in which a parent removes a child from the custody of the other parent and/or the jurisdiction of the court. Also...

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Greenlease Kidnapping | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The 1953 kidnapping of a six-year-old boy by a pair of criminals ends tragically.

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America’s Most Notorious Kidnappings | Headlines & Heroes

One minute they’re here, the next they’re gone. The history of infamous kidnappings in America is long and stretches back centuries. In some cases, the missing are released and recovered alive, while others are not so lucky. Other disappearances remain unsolved. Cynthia Ann Parker May 19, 1836...

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A Baby Boy Vanishes, an Heiress Abducted & More Infamous Kidnappings Throughout History

From the disappearances of Charley Ross and Charles Lindbergh Jr. to the abductions of Patty Hearst and Adam Walsh, these kidnappings made history

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Child kidnappings that captured our attention

They don't happen often, but when they do, child abductions by strangers can capture Americans' attention like few other crimes. A look at notorious kidnappings over the past century and a half shows how attitudes have changed.

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[Ponytale]

NCIC, NCMEC and the FBI recommend contacting the local authorities immediately once you learn or realize your child has been kidnapped or has gone missing.

Yes, and I agree and would do exactly that if I just found my child missing. But if I found a ransom note that states that if I do not follow the instructions of the kidnappers my child will be beheaded, I'd think twice. First the ransom note already itself indicates that my child is not just missing but someone has taken her by force. Secondly the instructions indicate that my actions could result my child to be killed - I would never take that on my conscience nor would I just risk that without thinking twice about calling the cops. I would take that 15 minutes of extra time to come up with a plan with the help of my spouse, friends or neighbors. After all my child could have been taken 6 hours ago so what does that extra 15 minutes of thinking through my plan of action could change.

But it is me and write of my opinion only. I have not been in that situation (thank god and I hope I never will nor any of us here) but I have been in situations where I have to think fast under pressure - logic does not fail me if I have to act in favor of my loved ones.

 

[snarast]

I would not sit around waiting for the kidnappers to tell me more stories

Yes, and I agree and would do exactly that if I just found my child missing. But if I found a ransom note that states that if I do not follow the instructions of the kidnappers my child will be beheaded, I'd think twice. First the ransom note already itself indicates that my child is not just missing but someone has taken her by force. Secondly the instructions indicate that my actions could result my child to be killed - I would never take that on my conscience nor would I just risk that without thinking twice about calling the cops. I would take that 15 minutes of extra time to come up with a plan with the help of my spouse, friends or neighbors. After all my child could have been taken 6 hours ago so what does that extra 15 minutes of thinking through my plan of action could change.

But it is me and write of my opinion only. I have not been in that situation (thank god and I hope I never will nor any of us here) but I have been in situations where I have to think fast under pressure - logic does not fail me if I have to act in favor of my loved ones.

BBM

That is an enviable skill/trait. I do think most people would just see ”we have your daughter” and panic after seeing that she is indeed not in her bed where she should be.

 

[GRT]

I would not sit around waiting for the kidnappers to tell me more stories

RSBM for focus

Plus, I think it's fairly well known that the longer a person is missing, the less likely they are to come home alive. Time is of the essence in most cases.

 

[Ponytale]

BBM

That is an enviable skill/trait. I do think most people would just see ”we have your daughter” and panic after seeing that she is indeed not in her bed where she should be.

I didn't say I wouldn't panic. Of course I would. I said that I would think twice. And I do not think I'm alone in that.

 

[Bekind89]

RSBM for focus

Plus, I think it's fairly well known that the longer a person is missing, the less likely they are to come home alive. Time is of the essence in most cases.

Yes, but to call friends and neighbors to be there?
Inconceivable to me, yet most of their decisions that day are inconceivable to me as a parent myself. Jmo

 

[ShadyLady]

I find it easy to see how a parent could write that RN. People lie all the time to avoid the consequences of their action. IMO, the ransom letter is just a lie, a concocted story intended to divert attention away from what real happened. It just happens to be a lie in letter form.

Is it any more unthinkable that PR could write such a RN than, say, a mother who covers up the murder of her sons with a false report of a black man kidnapping her sons during a carjacking, when she had in fact rolled her car into a lake, drowning them?

IMHO

I wonder if the real reason PR did not change her clothes from the night before, was that she KNEW fibers could be on the tape and the paintbrush, etc. She knew the body could only be hidden so long....so that is why she threw herself on the body even though she previously had wiped the body down.
Then she hid the blue towel she had used to clean JB and hid it somewhere where her sister would pick it up.

And then there was a delay in turning over the clothing she wore that night. And she tried confusing the issue..."I don't remember what I was wearing". And what happen to the boots that had fur on them? Could the fur be an exact match to the fur found under tape used on JB? Bet the boots she wore that night are long gone....imo

 

[GRT]

Yes, but to call friends and neighbors to be there?
Inconceivable to me, yet most of their decisions that day are inconceivable to me as a parent myself. Jmo

I could be wrong, but from what I've heard and read about that "inner circle" of friends, they acted more like family. I think the Ramsey's were socially dependant, and they turned to their friends in the same way many would turn to fellow church members.

People do odd things in extreme situations. I don't know that there really is any socially acceptable way to behave.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

I understand that. But then again if I found my child missing and a RN in my house I would be afraid to run to call for the cops on my fist instinct because I'd still have questions in my head like - what if they are watching me? Even if I didn't read the note to know that it was written there and they were actually watching me.

It is stated in the first paragraph of the letter that if I do not follow the instructions of the letter I will not see her again - now I'd be very much alerted after seeing that and would take the time to read what the "instructions" are. And I'd yell to my spouse who is going to call 911 to stop it immediately. I would be panicking "what to do?" and would try to figure our next steps out with my spouse - how to alert them differently than just calling from the land line - they had a mobile phone at the house. And maybe call our friends first and tell them to call the cops instead? Let them ask them to arrive in unmarked cars?
They are all options I know. And not everyone thinks and reacts alike.

But again, I wouldn't do anything that would risk harming my child in any way. Panic or not. I'd be more afraid that maybe they will hurt her...

Again, you don’t know how you’d react under the circumstances. Unless you’ve had a child kidnapped with a ransom note, you can only speculate how you’d react. People react differently under stress, they have chemicals rushing through their brain which changes the way you would normally think and behave. To say you’d do this or do that, rationalising with a calm brain and personally unaffected by jonbenets kidnapping is so far removed from what really happens and what real parents have done in real kidnapping scenarios. You don’t know what you’d do if you woke up one morning and your child was kidnapped and a creepy ransom note was left because you’ve never been through it.

 

[Ponytale]

Again, you don’t know how you’d react under the circumstances. Unless you’ve had a child kidnapped with a ransom note, you can only speculate how you’d react. People react differently under stress, they have chemicals rushing through their brain which changes the way you would normally think and behave. To say you’d do this or do that, rationalising with a calm brain and personally unaffected by jonbenets kidnapping is so far removed from what really happens and what real parents have done in real kidnapping scenarios. You don’t know what you’d do if you woke up one morning and your child was kidnapped and a creepy ransom note was left because you’ve never been through it.

You replied to my same comment twice.

I never stated that my post is more than only a speculation. But, again, I do not doubt that I would not call the police on the rush of emotion if a ransom letter tells me not to do that - I would think it twice.

 

[ShadyLady]

You replied to my same comment twice.

I never stated that my post is more than only a speculation. But, again, I do not doubt that I would not call the police on the rush of emotion if a ransom letter tells me not to do that - I would think it twice.

Well....at least read the letter....

 

[snarast]

dbm

 

[Val1943]

JonBenét Ramsey’s father says he’s optimistic after pivotal meeting with Colorado murder investigators​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/jonbenet-ramsey-john-case-update/index.html

 

[GRT]

JonBenét Ramsey’s father says he’s optimistic after pivotal meeting with Colorado murder investigators​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/jonbenet-ramsey-john-case-update/index.html

JR's interview is scheduled to air on Anderson Cooper 360 Tue, Jan 28th, 2025.

After 30 years, there can't be any real justice for JBR, but if a perp is found, it will at least lift a huge weight from JR and his family.

 

[snarast]

I wish they could stop referring to this bright, curious little girl with her whole life ahead of her as a beauty queen. Everything points to that JBR would have accomplished great things.

 

[GRT]

I wish they could stop referring to this bright, curious little girl with her whole life ahead of her as a beauty queen. Everything points to that JBR would have accomplished great things.

Good point. While I'm not a fan of pageants, the participants often go on to success in the real world.

Consider Madison Marsh, 2024 Miss America. She's also a fighter pilot in the Air Force.

 

[snarast]

Good point. While I'm not a fan of pageants, the participants often go on to success in the real world.

Consider Madison Marsh, 2024 Miss America. She's also a fighter pilot in the Air Force.

Indeed. There’s a stigma though. And the connotations are just unfair to JBR and especially PR. From what I can tell.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I have five grandchildren that are wonderful, and this cloud needs to be removed. It’s not going to change my life at this point,” Ramsey said. “But it will change the life of my kids. That’s why I want to get it solved. We need to close this chapter.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/jonbenet-ramsey-john-case-update/index.html

 

[AddieBoo]

JR's interview is scheduled to air on Anderson Cooper 360 Tue, Jan 28th, 2025.

After 30 years, there can't be any real justice for JBR, but if a perp is found, it will at least lift a huge weight from JR and his family.

I dunno about this,.. CNN is having ratings problems, some people say there are major network issues. Cooper is under contract - but if his network tanks…(although there might be a nice bidding war for Cooper if that happens). So… wonder if Cooper is gonna softball it with Ramsey, as virtually every where else has done. OR give his network a boost by questions that Ramsey is not prepared to answer…,
Just hope this interview is not just filler.
MOO

 

[CloudedTruth]

I dunno about this,.. CNN is having ratings problems, some people say there are major network issues. Cooper is under contract - but if his network tanks…(although there might be a nice bidding war for Cooper if that happens). So… wonder if Cooper is gonna softball it with Ramsey, as virtually every where else has done. OR give his network a boost by questions that Ramsey is not prepared to answer…,
Just hope this interview is not just filler.
MOO

It's pretty much a guarantee......if JR has agreed to do an interview, it comes with strings attached. Of course he denies that is true as they made a big point of for the Ashley Flowers interview, "I prefer it to be spontaneous......" which we all know is a load of you know what.

There might be a question or two thrown in to make it look like it's not a softball interview, but that will be negotiated ahead of time. I respect Cooper as a reporter, but he won't have free rein on this.