Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[AddieBoo]

Bbm.

Thanks for this info.
I didn't know he'd hired an atty. for his ex-wife, nor that his older daughter was estranged.
Omo.

Do you have a source about his eldest daughter’s estrangement?

 

[Chimera]

As I understand it, the dna question isn't so much that it may have come from the garment manufacturer -- of which we're not certain it wasn't; but it was a minute sample, correct ?
Also, was the dna on JB's underwear different from the sample under her fingernails ?

Thirdly, they'd come home that day (whether JB was asleep and had to be carried or walked on her own to her bedroom we still don't know for sure as the parents gave conflicting statements), after being at a party.
JB could've innocently interacted with anyone.

Like someone handing her a gift or a cookie, and her hand brushed against theirs.
That, imo, is why finding the dna's source doesn't mean finding the killer.

Did the Ramsay's go anywhere else that day, to a store, or stop at the gas station, etc.
Thus more interactions with people ?
It sounds like something happened to her from someone else within that home.

Prob. no intruder, and unless they had welcomed a visitor after getting home, JB was harmed by someone in her family-- we still don't know.
Someone knows what happened, imo.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

Do you have a source about his eldest daughter’s estrangement?

Only from the post I'd quoted....that's why I mentioned it, as it's new to me.
You could check with the original poster to be certain.
I think the fact that JR had hired more than one atty. was mentioned way back when.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

Who killed JonBenét Ramsey? Murdered girl's father believes DNA could reveal killer

A look back at how "48 Hours" covered the 1996 Christmastime murder of JonBenét Ramsey in 2002, and what her father John Ramsey says about the unsolved Colorado case nearly 28 years later.

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"John Ramsey: They've never investigated this case. Other than to investigate the family, they have never investigated this case."

That is actually not true.

JonBenét Ramsey murder case: The ransom note and other evidence

A closer look at what police found at the Ramsey family's Boulder, Colorado, home following the murder of their 6-year-old daughter JonBenét.

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In November 2024, the Boulder Police Department said, "The assertion that there is viable evidence and leads we are not pursuing—to include DNA testing—is completely false."

Other suspects have been considered, some of them more highly publicized than others.
Michael Helgoth and John Mark Karr were some of them :

Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey? All the Possible Suspects Investigated In the Pageant Queen's Unsolved Case

While John and Patsy Ramsey were the highest-profile suspects in JonBenét Ramsey's murder, several others emerged through the years, including John Mark Karr.

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Who killed JonBenet?

10 years after the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, a suspect emerges. But is it a true confession? Hoda Kotb brings us the latest details.

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As is well known by now, Karr was apprehended from overseas.
This case was investigated by the Boulder PD among others, contrary to John Ramsey's assertion.

The main issue was that all of the evidence seemed to come from within JonBenet's parent's house.
And imo ... it's a big issue.
How would the killer know where Patsy Ramsey kept her paintbrushes, etc.
Imo.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Only from the post I'd quoted....that's why I mentioned it, as it's new to me.
You could check with the original poster to be certain.
I think the fact that JR had hired more than one atty. was mentioned way back when.
Imo.

The OP thought it was on the acandyrose site. I haven’t been able to find anything about that. I too had heard rumors (from tabloids) about the older daughter claiming there was SA. Nothing confirmed and can’t even find any references to that any more. Those stories seem to have been wiped from the internet.

John did hire multiple lawyers, which included for his ex wife and his two older children.

 

[AddieBoo]

Respectfully, IIRC the body of JBR was covered in the basement room when found. When exactly the body was covered IIRC has not been noted. So it would not have been unrealistic for FW to possibly have missed the location of JBR body in looking for her.

Also, the reaction if true of FW pleading for 911 seems IMO entirely appropriate. It is quite possible he was unaware of the condition of JBR. If anyone perhaps knew of her condition it might have been JR. And for all anyone knows, perhaps JR asked FW to head upstairs with the instruction to call 911. IDR whether or not medics or anyone capable of rendering immediate medical attention were present at that time.

One thing is certain in this case IMO. Four people entered the residence that evening and early morning. And by the next morning only three remained alive.

It is most unfortunate IMO that the DA office seems to have played such an ‘active and interested’ role in the evolution of this sad tragic case. And IMO the result has been an absence of justice in the death of a young defenseless child.,MOO

Just read in Bonita that FW recollection of where the direction JB body was found differs from JR. They were both asked to draw the placement of JB body in the wine cellar. Might make a difference vision wise in a dark unlit room?

It makes sense FW would do the most sane thing finding an unconscious child. Call 911.

There are some questions about that 911 call, in the arm chair detective arena. That call, mistakenly made at the Ramsey’s Christmas Party. Attributed to FW, but he never publicly stated he made that call or why, as far as I’ve been able to find anyway.

What is llRC?

 

[Chimera]

The OP thought it was on the acandyrose site. I haven’t been able to find anything about that. I too had heard rumors (from tabloids) about the older daughter claiming there was SA. Nothing confirmed and can’t even find any references to that any more. Those stories seem to have been wiped from the internet.

John did hire multiple lawyers, which included for his ex wife and his two older children.

Yes, thanks so much for clarifying !

I've been perusing various search engines as I was certain I'd read about it elsewhere and the articles seemed to have vanished.
I'm nosy and usually am able to find links even older ones on the net but keep bumping into sites no longer working.
Someone (Imo -- I do not know this for certain !) has been busy scrubbing any negative articles directed at the Ramsey's.
Or at least it would appear that way.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

Just read in Bonita that FW recollection of where the direction JB body was found differs from JR. They were both asked to draw the placement of JB body in the wine cellar. Might make a difference vision wise in a dark unlit room?

It makes sense FW would do the most sane thing finding an unconscious child. Call 911.

There are some questions about that 911 call, in the arm chair detective arena. That call, mistakenly made at the Ramsey’s Christmas Party. Attributed to FW, but he never publicly stated he made that call or why, as far as I’ve been able to find anyway.

What is llRC?

Bbm.

If I Recall Correctly.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yes, thanks so much for clarifying !

I've been perusing various search engines as I was certain I'd read about it elsewhere and the articles seemed to have vanished.
I'm nosy and usually am able to find links even older ones on the net but keep bumping into sites no longer working.
Someone (Imo -- I do not know this for certain !) has been busy scrubbing any negative articles directed at the Ramsey's.
Or at least it would appear that way.
Omo.

We know there have been efforts put forth to scrub stories and video content. I definitely don’t think it can be ruled out. And that gives the impression that there may be truth to the rumors…..

 

[AddieBoo]

The OP thought it was on the acandyrose site. I haven’t been able to find anything about that. I too had heard rumors (from tabloids) about the older daughter claiming there was SA. Nothing confirmed and can’t even find any references to that any more. Those stories seem to have been wiped from the internet.

John did hire multiple lawyers, which included for his ex wife and his two older children.

Can’t find anything on CR either about this.
But if true, it’s particularly provocative. The detectives did visit those sorority sisters, that information is sourced. And somewhere there is a tabloid with that story. “Scrubbed”…. What power….
If that evidence were given at trial it would be very bad for JR. In his book he writes a lot about Beth. All those trips to campus for lunches together… The press is that they were very close father and daughter. Much in common etc..,

Mike Kane mentioned all the secrets that exist about this case .,,maybe his relationship with his eldest daughter is one…,

 

[AddieBoo]

Bbm.

If I Recall Correctly.

What is Bdm?

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

the dna question isn't so much that it may have come from the garment manufacturer -- of which we're not certain it wasn't; but it was a minute sample, correct ?

There were two bloodstains on JBR’s undergarments. The first stain that was tested in January 1996 yield DNA tests results that indicated that they were from an unknown male but the sample was too small to provide a complete DNA profile. In agreement to Dr. Lee’s findings and support from Dr. Baden investigators theorized that it was possible that the DNA may have incidentally originated from a factory worker or employee that worked with the undergarment’s manufacturer and thus may possibly not be related at all to the crime.

In 1999, DA Morissey submitted to CBI the cut portion of JBR’s underwear that contained the second blood stain for DNA testing. This sample yielded a complete DNA profile of the unknown male DNA that could also be submitted to CODIS.

In 2008, upon request of the DA office that was in charge of JonBenet investigation at the time, touch DNA found on JBR’s long johns also matched the DNA found in her underwear. According to Dr. Williams

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Also, was the dna on JB's underwear different from the sample under her fingernails ?

The DNA found and tested under JBR’s fingernails matched DNA found under her left and right fingernails. Their tests results indicated they came from an unknown male.

DNA may not necessarily solve the case or can have alternative explanations, as described upon by Dr. Michael Baden, nonetheless it is still just one more forensic and investigative tool that may be helpful and is available to LE to use at their disposal, as indicated by Boulder police who in 2021 indicated they looked forward to taking advantage of new technology advances that may lead to DNA help LE solve or bring closure to the case.

25 years after JonBenét Ramsey's murder, police still hope DNA will solve the case

The murder of the 6-year-old beauty queen is a cold case that still haunts many Americans.

www.cbsnews.com

JonBenet Ramsey case: Newly unearthed documents reveal DNA did not match key players early in unsolved slaying | Fox News

Document part of trove of old case files discussed in forthcoming book on late investigator Lou Smit

www.foxnews.com

 

[Chimera]

What is Bdm?

Bolded By Me.

 

[sunspun]

If her pulse and breathing were so weak and shallow that it wasn't detectable (especially if you are panicking) and they touched her scalp (knowing that she was hit hard on the head), they must have felt the fracture with their fingers. Feeling such a huge fracture and a missing peace in your daughters scull would be a total shock to any parent - I see why they could have believed that she was already dead. If they spent the 2 hours with her, knowing of the fracture and seeing no life signs from her for 2 hours, they had time to be "sure" that she was dead and think what to do next. And even if they did not think that she was dead - the fracture would have indicated to them that she was severely brain damaged, if not brain dead. They must have known how much time had passed already since the blow (maybe they found the fracture an hour after the blow) and that she has not received fast medical help - I see them thinking/discussing of raising a child with a brain damage for the rest of their life. I do not see them wanting that, especially Patsy who had such big plants with JB and her pageants. If saving her life would have meant to them that they possibly would forever care for a child in a vegetative state, I see them thinking of other possibilities too. But again, the SA might have been a more important factor for staging.

I'm sorry, but none of this is even remotely believable to me, as far as what they would have been most likely to do in the event of a severe injury, by any means, to one of their children.

In general, if a child is injured at home and is unconscious, a parent will call 911 or take them to a hospital ASAP. As everyone knows. And I see no reason to believe they would have done anything different, no matter what, much less done all this elaborate staging/garotting/sexual abuse/body-hiding/ransom note/fake kidnapping report extravaganza as people accuse them of doing. I find that absurd and think it's bizarre that so many people think it.

 

[AddieBoo]

There were two bloodstains on JBR’s undergarments. The first stain that was tested in January 1996 yield DNA tests results that indicated that they were from an unknown male but the sample was too small to provide a complete DNA profile. In agreement to Dr. Lee’s findings and support from Dr. Baden investigators theorized that it was possible that the DNA may have incidentally originated from a factory worker or employee that worked with the undergarment’s manufacturer and thus may possibly not be related at all to the crime.

In 1999, DA Morissey submitted to CBI the cut portion of JBR’s underwear that contained the second blood stain for DNA testing. This sample yielded a complete DNA profile of the unknown male DNA that could also be submitted to CODIS.

In 2008, upon request of the DA office that was in charge of JonBenet investigation at the time, touch DNA found on JBR’s long johns also matched the DNA found in her underwear. According to Dr. Williams

CBS4 Exclusive With Gov. Jared Polis On JonBenet Ramsey Murder: 'The Killer Of JonBenet Ramsey Should Not Rest Easy'

More than a quarter century after the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, her dad is asking Colorado's governor to help solve the crime.

www.cbsnews.com

The DNA found and tested under JBR’s fingernails matched DNA found under her left and right fingernails. Their tests results indicated they came from an unknown male.

DNA may not necessarily solve the case or can have alternative explanations, as described upon by Dr. Michael Baden, nonetheless it is still just one more forensic and investigative tool that may be helpful and is available to LE to use at their disposal, as indicated by Boulder police who in 2021 indicated they looked forward to taking advantage of new technology advances that may lead to DNA help LE solve or bring closure to the case.

25 years after JonBenét Ramsey's murder, police still hope DNA will solve the case

The murder of the 6-year-old beauty queen is a cold case that still haunts many Americans.

www.cbsnews.com

JonBenet Ramsey case: Newly unearthed documents reveal DNA did not match key players early in unsolved slaying | Fox News

Document part of trove of old case files discussed in forthcoming book on late investigator Lou Smit

www.foxnews.com

One tic tocker named the DNA in the JBR case “Frankenstein DNA”
Because of all the mix..

I can’t get over the lack of identifiable DNA anywhere on the garrote handle, cord or wrist ligature, It’s all a mix.
Do you think there were gloves involved?

 

[CloudedTruth]

Can’t find anything on CR either about this.
But if true, it’s particularly provocative. The detectives did visit those sorority sisters, that information is sourced. And somewhere there is a tabloid with that story. “Scrubbed”…. What power….
If that evidence were given at trial it would be very bad for JR. In his book he writes a lot about Beth. All those trips to campus for lunches together… The press is that they were very close father and daughter. Much in common etc..,

Mike Kane mentioned all the secrets that exist about this case .,,maybe his relationship with his eldest daughter is one…,

It certainly does appear that Beth was his favorite of his first three children. And it feels like JonBenet was the favored child by both parents in his 2nd marriage. We know the reason why for JonBenet, I wonder what it was about Beth? We know so little about her. John had a collage of pictures of Beth in his bathroom. Some people get riled up when it’s suggested that’s unusual (the bathroom aspect). But if you want pictures of your kids in the bathroom, why not all of them? It’s yet another oddity about this case that is suggestive, but isn’t proof of anything.

 

[Bekind89]

.Does anyone remember the description of the underwear that JB was wearing? I seem to recall that she was wearing underwear that was at least two sizes too big. I believe Patsy has purchased a package of girls underwear for another child, a niece, or some relative or purchased the wrong size, I can't remember which. In other words, it wasn't JB's size but for some reason that I can't recall someone in that house dressed JB in underwear two sizes too big. Patsy of course knew this, but whoever put those underwear on JB that night did not. ( Her father?) Does anyone recall this and why someone would redress her in the wrong size underwear?
I don't know why this detail bothers me but it does.

 

[Bekind89]

I'm sorry, but none of this is even remotely believable to me, as far as what they would have been most likely to do in the event of a severe injury, by any means, to one of their children.

In general, if a child is injured at home and is unconscious, a parent will call 911 or take them to a hospital ASAP. As everyone knows. And I see no reason to believe they would have done anything different, no matter what, much less done all this elaborate staging/garotting/sexual abuse/body-hiding/ransom note/fake kidnapping report extravaganza as people accuse them of doing. I find that absurd and think it's bizarre that so many people think it.

My God. What parent upon finding their little girl mortally wounded, perhaps comatose, would decide that staging a SA on the child would be a logical, sane idea?
My apologies if I misread or misunderstood the post. It's late and I'm tired.
But omg!

 

[CloudedTruth]

.Does anyone remember the description of the underwear that JB was wearing? I seem to recall that she was wearing underwear that was at least two sizes too big. I believe Patsy has purchased a package of girls underwear for another child, a niece, or some relative or purchased the wrong size, I can't remember which. In other words, it wasn't JB's size but for some reason that I can't recall someone in that house dressed JB in underwear two sizes too big. Patsy of course knew this, but whoever put those underwear on JB that night did not. ( Her father?) Does anyone recall this and why someone would redress her in the wrong size underwear?
I don't know why this detail bothers me but it does.

Yes, they were size 12 day of the week underwear from Bloomingdale’s. JonBenet had them in her own size and loved them. According to Patsy, she had bought the size 12 package for her niece, but JonBenet supposedly wanted those too, in addition to the ones she had in her own size. So Patsy let her have them. The package with the rest of the underwear (other days of the week) was never found.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Arndt really got a raw deal. Her field of expertise in LE was SA cases. She was there at ground zero. Her opinions and observations, and intuitive feelings are very important. Even though it was Christmas, still hard to believe she was the only LE person on scene. And when did the coroner arrive? 7:30 pm??

She may have been right or wrong as the the extent of JRs involvement BUT she surely knew something was rotten in Denmark!!