Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[docyabut]

Haunted by tragedy, the house where JonBenét Ramsey was murdered still can’t sell after 16 years on and off the market​

Haunted by tragedy, the house where JonBenét Ramsey was murdered still can’t sell after 16 years on and off the market

In Boulder, the site of the infamous 1996 murder can’t seem to shed its tragic history.

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[cenazoic]

Wow, the basement is totally transformed in those pics from the article @docyabut posted.

I assume not, but I always wonder if the various post-Ramsey owners/renovators ever came across and tossed some small thing which could have been additional evidence in JBR’s case.

 

[Skully]

Haunted by tragedy, the house where JonBenét Ramsey was murdered still can’t sell after 16 years on and off the market​

Haunted by tragedy, the house where JonBenét Ramsey was murdered still can’t sell after 16 years on and off the market

In Boulder, the site of the infamous 1996 murder can’t seem to shed its tragic history.

nypost.com

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I have to admit I wouldn't buy that house only because sometimes the killer wants to come back to relive what he or she did. I would be looking out my window all nights...

 

[Styngyn]

I'd buy it then bring in a world renowned psychic to visualize what really happened. Then case solved and we can all move on!

 

[Mike60532]

Sounds like they need a good Genetic Genealogist! Calling CeCe Moore!

 

[eishish]

THE RANSOM LETTER
The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

Foreign faction. Small group. Yes, stationed in phill, john in his millitary career. Actuall to me the rn is the first introduction to lunacy in this case. All the info contained, can tell ya, i wld not have called police. But am a aleuth full time. They kbew she was dead!!

 

[CrimeTheorist]

I heard the 911 call again recently and it made me realize how odd it is that we don't here JR in the background almost at all (maybe at the end quietly) . You would think he'd be talking to PR or himself or something but no. How many 911 calls where two people are home reporting a kidnapping of their child can you only hear one freaking out? Just another thing that seems odd to me. JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I heard the 911 call again recently and it made me realize how odd it is that we don't here JR in the background almost at all (maybe at the end quietly) . You would think he'd be talking to PR or himself or something but no. How many 911 calls where two people are home reporting a kidnapping of their child can you only hear one freaking out? Just another thing that seems odd to me. JMO

Yes, have to concur fully @CrimeTheorist . And IIRC the other puzzling thing about that call, I thought some believed they heard BR in the kitchen speaking or uttering something at points during the 911 call? And IIUC, there were early questions about BR whereabouts in the late evening and early when the call was made. I seem to recall some reports that were first given was that BR had stayed upstairs throughout the events? And during the call? And was it JR that indicated who was where? But others differ.

And much of that call centers from I believe the kitchen? The site also of the odd items on the kitchen counter. And the partially eaten bowl of pineapple. Seems plausible something transpired in the kitchen earlier that led to some events? After the family returned from the outing this evening prior.

As many have stated. Four people entered the residence that evening early morning. And by the next morning, only three were alive. And the only other added element was the ransom note.

I will never find the references on this now. And the case has been around so long - and through so many iterations - it is difficult to discern reality from speculation. MOO

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Yes, have to concur fully @CrimeTheorist . And IIRC the other puzzling thing about that call, I thought some believed they heard BR in the kitchen speaking or uttering something at points during the 911 call? And IIUC, there were early questions about BR whereabouts in the late evening and early when the call was made. I seem to recall some reports that were first given was that BR had stayed upstairs throughout the events? And during the call? And was it JR that indicated who was where? But others differ.

And much of that call centers from I believe the kitchen? The site also of the odd items on the kitchen counter. And the partially eaten bowl of pineapple. Seems plausible something transpired in the kitchen earlier that led to some events? After the family returned from the outing this evening prior.

As many have stated. Four people entered the residence that evening early morning. And by the next morning, only three were alive. And the only other added element was the ransom note.

I will never find the references on this now. And the case has been around so long - and through so many iterations - it is difficult to discern reality from speculation. MOO

I think it was believed that JR said "we're not talking to you" and BR responded "what did you find". But like so many things in this case it wasn't really clear.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

I think it was believed that JR said "we're not talking to you" and BR responded "what did you find". But like so many things in this case it wasn't really clear.

There are lots of versions of that solitary 911 call.

Including PR hung up on the operator.
Including PR forgot to hang up straight away and was recorded for sometime later.
JR and PR were talking in the background as stated.

What I hear is no one in the background and an hysterical PR who hangs up early while the operator is still talking. I know that the experts stated that JR was speaking to BR in the background on CBS in 2016, but I can't hear anything of the sort. Maybe one of the reasons they got sued.

There is only one truth.

 

[johnlair]

I have lot of proof. But it's not my proof. It's proof from the professionals who have looked at this case. Yes it is my opinion but my opinion is based on proof. There are mountains of proof. I have to head out but over the weekend I will present some of the proof that points to no intruder. Until then feel free to ask questions and I will do my best to answer them.

Okey dokey ave got a question... Whats your personal opinion on what happened please?

 

[Slebby]

Okey dokey ave got a question... Whats your personal opinion on what happened please?

Oh I ditto this request! I would love to read a coherent, believable theory of what happened, from someone with a very strong grasp of the facts. Who did what, why they did it. Often we see theories put forth which I know are full of holes. I know quite a lot about the case, but I have also forgotten a lot of what I knew. I’m sure Tricia would have a really compelling theory. But I’d welcome a very well thought out basic story that isn’t contradicted by the facts. There are a lot of facts known in the public domain, from books, news coverage, etc.
Is anyone aware of a site with coherent, believable theories of this case?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

There are lots of versions of that solitary 911 call.

Including PR hung up on the operator.
Including PR forgot to hang up straight away and was recorded for sometime later.
JR and PR were talking in the background as stated.

What I hear is no one in the background and an hysterical PR who hangs up early while the operator is still talking. I know that the experts stated that JR was speaking to BR in the background on CBS in 2016, but I can't hear anything of the sort. Maybe one of the reasons they got sued.

There is only one truth.

It was the dispatcher who thought she heard voices at the end of the call. She was uncomfortable with how the call seemed to change once PR thought the call was disconnected.
Boulder PD reached out to Aerospace experts who did the enhancement with their unique technology back in 1997, and their work became an official fact of the police investigation in this case.
The story is the 3 people who were working at the lab all unbeknownst to each other reported the same thing from 3 distinctly different voices.
That part isnt verifiable but the aerospace lab testified in front of the Grand Jury. I would think they got to hear it in court.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

It was the dispatcher who thought she heard voices at the end of the call. She was uncomfortable with how the call seemed to change once PR thought the call was disconnected.
Boulder PD reached out to Aerospace experts who did the enhancement with their unique technology back in 1997, and their work became an official fact of the police investigation in this case.
The story is the 3 people who were working at the lab all unbeknownst to each other reported the same thing from 3 distinctly different voices.
That part isnt verifiable but the aerospace lab testified in front of the Grand Jury. I would think they got to hear it in court.

Boulder PD reached out to to he FBI and the Secret Service as well, who said there were no voices. But apparently they kept trying. The call has since been released in its entirety and I think it's fair to say it's EVP.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Boulder PD reached out to to he FBI and the Secret Service as well, who said there were no voices. But apparently they kept trying. The call has since been released in its entirety and I think it's fair to say it's EVP.

That is not true. They could hear voices but could not make out what they were saying.
They didnt have the capability to enhance the voices. Aerospace lab had a more safisticated means to do so and did.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

That is not true. They could hear voices but could not make out what they were saying.
They didnt have the capability to enhance the voices. Aerospace lab had a more safisticated means to do so and did.

The early sources, including Thomas, say otherwise. The FBI and the Secret Service couldn't lift anything from the background noise.

Once the tape was released, we know, thanks to the Bonita papers that the final part was the same as what Aerospace and the others tested - the papers note the emphasis on "did" in the last line of noise that's supposed to be Burke.

And that is when it becomes clear we're dealing with EVP - auditory pareidolia. "Burke's" sentence not only doesn't match the speech pattern of such a sentence ("What DID you find?" Seriously?), it doesn't match human speech patterns. EVPs tend to be short, one or two words, and this is why - the more words "heard" the more transparent the illusion becomes.

So why did Aerospace say what they (supposedly) did? Hard to say without reading the report, but my guess is that the BPD came to them and said "there are voices at the end of this tape - here, here and here - what do they say?"

The released tape also shows the 911 operator remembered wrong - no noise matches what she claims Patsy said.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

I have to admit I wouldn't buy that house only because sometimes the killer wants to come back to relive what he or she did. I would be looking out my window all nights...

I would buy the house and conduct tours. Could serve bowls of pineapple in the kitchen, a memorial in the basement. Could have an intruder come through the basement window at the correct time. A little miss Colorado, dancing in the living area. Could listen to Patsy and her 911 call when you pick up the phone. A theme park in a house. Absolute bargain. I am sure there is a market for this. Move over Walt Disney.

...... I am being sarcastic btw.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

And that is when it becomes clear we're dealing with EVP - auditory pareidolia. "Burke's" sentence not only doesn't match the speech pattern of such a sentence ("What DID you find?" Seriously?), it doesn't match human speech patterns. EVPs tend to be short, one or two words, and this is why - the more words "heard" the more transparent the illusion becomes.

So why did Aerospace say what they (supposedly) did? Hard to say without reading the report, but my guess is that the BPD came to them and said "there are voices at the end of this tape - here, here and here - what do they

Clear to who? Its seams that is an opinion.
You seem to insinuate the Aerospace lab had a pony in the race. Why would a lab in California fabricate results for Boulder PD? If anything, JRs Lockhead connections would have had more influence than Boulder PD.

 

[Slebby]

snip< "Burke's" sentence not only doesn't match the speech pattern of such a sentence ("What DID you find?" Seriously?), it doesn't match human speech patterns.>

Depending on what was said right before this question, it does follow a normal speech pattern.
Eg. JR is frantically looking around, BR says “what are you looking for?”
JR says “we’re looking for your sister. We’ve looked everywhere! We can’t find her!”
BR, seeing JR has RN clutched in his hand, says “what DID you find?” In other words, what is implied is “well you haven’t found HER, but what DID you find ie. that paper clutched in your hand.
IMO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Clear to who? Its seams that is an opinion.
You seem to insinuate the Aerospace lab had a pony in the race. Why would a lab in California fabricate results for Boulder PD? If anything, JRs Lockhead connections would have had more influence than Boulder PD.

No one has seen the Aerospace report. But they are also the only ones who tested the tapes and claimed there were voices.

Depending on what was said right before this question, it does follow a normal speech pattern.
Eg. JR is frantically looking around, BR says “what are you looking for?”
JR says “we’re looking for your sister. We’ve looked everywhere! We can’t find her!”
BR, seeing JR has RN clutched in his hand, says “what DID you find?” In other words, what is implied is “well you haven’t found HER, but what DID you find ie. that paper clutched in your hand.
IMO

And yet that is not on the tapes. And it doesn't make any sense for a 9 year old to ask that.

Listening to the tape is enlightening. The regular rhythm of what "Burke" said doesn't match human speech, but suggests something electronic or mechanic. Auditory pareidolia does the rest.