Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Really bothered me that when JR saw his daughter had been kidnapped....why didnt he immediately think of the basement window and check it right away. Knowing that was an easy entrance to the house?

And hard to believe BR did not wake up when Patsy was screaming for JR to come down....

Was he sent to his room because he was guilty?
Was he told to stay in his room because one of the parents killed her and they were staging?
Was he used to hiding out when the caa caa hit the fan between the parents?
I have second thoughts on the 911 call
If JR said " we are not talking to you"
That could have just been him dismissing a nosy kid in the midst of shiz hitting the fan.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Really bothered me that when JR saw his daughter had been kidnapped....why didnt he immediately think of the basement window and check it right away. Knowing that was an easy entrance to the house?

And hard to believe BR did not wake up when Patsy was screaming for JR to come down....

Yes.

Not only did John NOT think of the basement window and check it, when he did look around the basement he found that window slightly open. By his own account he closed it. And he told no one about the window. Not until much later when Fleet was in the basement with him and mentioned the broken window. John then came up with the story about having broken it himself the summer before. Why did he just close it and not mention it to police?

One of the things Barbara Fernie began to question was why BR supposedly did not wake up when Patsy was screaming. She knew the Ramseys pretty well and knew that BR was an early riser. He always got up early. She found it unlikely that he did not hear PR's screams and slept through everything.

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes.

Not only did John NOT think of the basement window and check it, when he did look around the basement he found that window slightly open. By his own account he closed it. And he told no one about the window. Not until much later when Fleet was in the basement with him and mentioned the broken window. John then came up with the story about having broken it himself the summer before. Why did he just close it and not mention it to police?

One of the things Barbara Fernie began to question was why BR supposedly did not wake up when Patsy was screaming. She knew the Ramseys pretty well and knew that BR was an early riser. He always got up early. She found it unlikely that he did not hear PR's screams and slept through everything.

And both of them made NO effort to follow kidnapper's directions. But, did work hard to contaminate the whole crime scene...and per Linda the detective, paid little attention to the timeframe of when the kidnappers would call...just too much...

 

[GRT]

For starters I find it impossible to believe that the person who did it or was involved with the killing of JB would have taken the time to write such a long and detailed letter having no fear that someone in the house would wake up.

I've always wondered if Fleet White gave the Ramseys something that made them sleep more soundly than usual. After eating that day at the Stines, they went to the White's house, and played games. From what I understand, JBR was sleeping soundly when she was carried in and put to bed.

BR stayed up and played with a model for a while before going to bed. Did the Whites offer them a bit of Christmas candy as they left their home and Burke was the only one who declined?

It's always bugged me that they slept so soundly. Too soundly. But, if they'd been drugged, the killer might have known he'd have time to do all manner of evil without them waking.

MOO

 

[GRT]

In any case, why doesn’t the boulder police use the available technology to seperate the dna? John Ramsey has been wanting them to seperate the dna for years. That way everyone will know if the dna is from one individual or a mixture.

RSBM -- they should. From what I understand, that test may be getting nearer with the new Chief of Police.

I get that some of the DNA could be there innocently, but let's find out who it belongs to and then decide whether it's there innocently or not.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ex-DA Opens Up About Why She Cleared the Ramsey Family of JonBenet's Murder

JonBenet Ramsey was found dead on Dec. 26, 1996.

abcnews.go.com

Bbm.
This is the first time I've heard of this.
Wonder if JonBenet had started to 'talk' and he had to 'silence' her ?

There's the discussion about pageants and how they draw predators, and to some degree that might be on point, and I don't agree with having the children wear makeup, etc. ; but it sounds like this little six year old's danger came from within her own family ?
What a nightmare of an existence for her.
Omo.

imo:
I haven't followed this case closely but from the beginning I always thought it could be someone that PR was close to within the pageant world who also could have or was able to tip the scales in JB's favor in competitions.
Due to what appears to be PR's obsession with the pageant world and JB winning that in her desperation she may have offered-up JB to that person?
JB starting to talk could very well have been the catalyst that set in motion her demise by whoever killed her.

 

[GRT]

Really bothered me that when JR saw his daughter had been kidnapped....why didnt he immediately think of the basement window and check it right away. Knowing that was an easy entrance to the house?

And hard to believe BR did not wake up when Patsy was screaming for JR to come down....

MOO -- I think both Ramsey parents took the ransom note at face value and neither were thinking clearly. Plus, since the window had been broken for months, it was obviously forgotten, and not something that sprang to mind. If he'd thought it was a risk of entry, he likely would have had it fixed long before.

As far as BR not waking up--he was 9. At that age, my children could sleep through train wrecks.

The real question is why the Ramsey parents slept so soundly.

 

[Chypre]

I have second thoughts on the 911 call
If JR said " we are not talking to you"
That could have just been him dismissing a nosy kid in the midst of shiz hitting the fan.

My gut impression as well.
Edit to add (this particular gut has had a career working with mental health and education).
When I look at the videos of his psych evaluation, his body language does change, but I think it could also be because he's not stupid and knows pineapple is a big ol' migraine in this case.

 

[GRT]

Bbm.
This is the first time I've heard of this.
Wonder if JonBenet had started to 'talk' and he had to 'silence' her ?

There's the discussion about pageants and how they draw predators, and to some degree that might be on point, and I don't agree with having the children wear makeup, etc. ; but it sounds like this little six year old's danger came from within her own family ?
What a nightmare of an existence for her.
Omo.

MOO -- I think JBR was a happy little girl with a good life, until evil visited her.

But one thing nags at me -- we know Fleet White changed her panties and even wiped her. While that may have been innocent, it may not have been. He may have been obsessed by how cute she was. She spent the night at the White's house often. And, she had some bedwetting issues. Someone at the White's house could have been touching her. Sometimes, SA children will wet the bed.

Obviously, I'm in the FDI camp, and not just because of his "caring" about JBR's hygienic issues. Where was his wife when those things needed attention?

 

[GRT]

And both of them made NO effort to follow kidnapper's directions. But, did work hard to contaminate the whole crime scene...and per Linda the detective, paid little attention to the timeframe of when the kidnappers would call...just too much...

Distraught parents can't be held responsible for the preservation of a crime scene when their child has just been kidnapped/murdered. That was LE's job. And, how dumb was it to send FW to guard the basement? He ran right down and contaminated it further.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I've always wondered if Fleet White gave the Ramseys something that made them sleep more soundly than usual. After eating that day at the Stines, they went to the White's house, and played games. From what I understand, JBR was sleeping soundly when she was carried in and put to bed.

BR stayed up and played with a model for a while before going to bed. Did the Whites offer them a bit of Christmas candy as they left their home and Burke was the only one who declined?

It's always bugged me that they slept so soundly. Too soundly. But, if they'd been drugged, the killer might have known he'd have time to do all manner of evil without them waking.

MOO

Actually, I recently found one of the police interviews where Patsy is asked whether she or John felt funny at all that night, like they were drugged. She answered in the negative. She said they were tired, it had been a very long day. Tired, but not drugged feeling.

We only have the Ramsey's word that they slept soundly. And given their history of not being transparent about certain things or being particularly credible, I don't think we can count on their word.

 

[Chypre]

One of the things Barbara Fernie began to question was why BR supposedly did not wake up when Patsy was screaming. She knew the Ramseys pretty well and knew that BR was an early riser. He always got up early. She found it unlikely that he did not hear PR's screams and slept through everything.

BR later said he was awake listening to his mother hysterical, not wanting to come out.

 

[ShadyLady]

Distraught parents can't be held responsible for the preservation of a crime scene when their child has just been kidnapped/murdered. That was LE's job. And, how dumb was it to send FW to guard the basement? He ran right down and contaminated it further.

They were distraught but they were not dumb people. One studied journalism and the other a very successful business man. Yet, it seemed ransom letter was not important enough to read thoroughly, studied and make some attempt to follow. Not even tell LE to hide their cars when they came. Not believable to me.

Yet, someone was interested enough to be reading the book Mindhunter. So some knowledge of crimes.

If they had taken letter at face value, wouldnt they have carefully followed the directions? My point was they disregarded the kidnap letter.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

And both of them made NO effort to follow kidnapper's directions. But, did work hard to contaminate the whole crime scene...and per Linda the detective, paid little attention to the timeframe of when the kidnappers would call...just too much...

You just can't ignore this IMO.
Maybe one of them not reacting but both?
What parent would not be climbing the walls? Or would not be saying " OMG, they haven't called!"
JR was the head of a large business. You have to be a proactive person in business. Why was he not peppering LE with questions when the call didn't come in? I would be asking for the next step, what will you ( LE) do next but most of all expressing absolute fear for my child.

 

[ShadyLady]

BR later said he was awake listening to his mother hysterical, not wanting to come out.

Also, I found it odd that Patsy after seeing that JBR was gone, she did not immediately check on her son. Just little things that made me think they did not think out all the details in their stories.

 

[GRT]

They were distraught but they were not dumb people. One studied journalism and the other a very successful business man. Yet, it seemed ransom letter was not important enough to read thoroughly, studied and make some attempt to follow. Not even tell LE to hide their cars when they came. Not believable to me.

Yet, someone was interested enough to be reading the book Mindhunter. So some knowledge of crimes.

If they had taken letter at face value, wouldnt they have carefully followed the directions? My point was they disregarded the kidnap letter.

I think most parents would call the police immediately, no matter what a note said. If either of them was even vaguely aware that the more time that passes after a person is kidnapped, the less likely they are to be found alive, they would have called.

Following the instructions of a disjointed ransom letter when your child is missing is the stuff movies are made of—not real life, in my opinion. JR was trying to get the Boulder Police to seal off the roads going out of town. They were in full protective parent mode.

MOO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I think most parents would call the police immediately, no matter what a note said. If either of them was even vaguely aware that the more time that passes after a person is kidnapped, the less likely they are to be found alive, they would have called.

Following the instructions of a disjointed ransom letter when your child is missing is the stuff movies are made of—not real life, in my opinion. JR was trying to get the Boulder Police to seal off the roads going out of town. They were in full protective parent mode.

MOO

Except there were 2 of them.
"You call the police while I check the house."
JR being the man of the house should have been checking rooms for the safety of his family. My dad would certainly not have just stood there in his chonies waiting for help.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

And both of them made NO effort to follow kidnapper's directions.

According to Detective Arndt’s note, it appears that JR somewhat followed it in that he had his friend meet with his banker to get the $118,000 and it was arranged that it would be delivered to the house an hour after JBR’s return. He stayed by his house and cell phones, which he permitted to be trapped, so that he we would be available should someone call between 8 AM and 10 AM about JBR.

https://juror13lw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/linda-arndt-jan-8-1997-report.pdf

As for calling the police, I mean if I really thought my child was abducted or taken for ransom I likely would too because LE has the training, education and tools that might be able to identify the perp and find my kid sooner or in the likelihood that the perp is a child predator who never intended to bring my child home no matter how much money I gave them and the letter was just to intimidate me long enough that they had enough time to pass state lines or to a remote hiding place. Such thoughts would not only throw me into a panic but I would want all hands on deck because statistically the longer my kid is gone the more likely there will be tragic outcomes and I would like police to help me prevent that the best they can.

 

[GRT]

Also, I found it odd that Patsy after seeing that JBR was gone, she did not immediately check on her son. Just little things that made me think they did not think out all the details in their stories.

From the "Listen Carefully" book -- they did.

"John and Patsy also said they checked on JonBenét’s brother, Burke, that morning. They claimed he was fast asleep despite Patsy having “screamed for John” from JonBenét’s bedroom, which was near Burke’s on thesecond floor."

 

[GRT]

As for calling the police, I mean if I really thought my child was abducted or taken for ransom I likely would too because LE has the training, education and tools that might be able to identify the perp and find my kid sooner or in the likelihood that the perp is a child predator who never intended to bring my child home no matter how much money I gave them and the letter was just to intimidate me long enough that they had enough time to pass state lines or to a remote hiding place.

RSBM. I would too. In a heartbeat.