Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[ispywithmylittleeye]

According to Detective Arndt’s note, it appears that JR somewhat followed it in that he had his friend meet with his banker to get the $118,000 and it was arranged that it would be delivered to the house an hour after JBR’s return. He stayed by his house and cell phones, which he permitted to be trapped, so that he we would be available should someone call between 8 AM and 10 AM about JBR.

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As for calling the police, I mean if I really thought my child was abducted or taken for ransom I likely would too because LE has the training, education and tools that might be able to identify the perp and find my kid sooner or in the likelihood that the perp is a child predator who never intended to bring my child home no matter how much money I gave them and the letter was just to intimidate me long enough that they had enough time to pass state lines or to a remote hiding place. Such thoughts would not only throw me into a panic but I would want all hands on deck because statistically the longer my kid is gone the more likely there will be tragic outcomes and I would like police to help me prevent that the best they can.

But then after calling the police they did everything possible that went against what they were instructed not to do. It's very easy to make excuses for them. As we say at work in regards to parenting " not taking action, is an action"

 

[Chimera]

MOO -- I think JBR was a happy little girl with a good life, until evil visited her.

But one thing nags at me -- we know Fleet White changed her panties and even wiped her. While that may have been innocent, it may not have been. He may have been obsessed by how cute she was. She spent the night at the White's house often. And, she had some bedwetting issues. Someone at the White's house could have been touching her. Sometimes, SA children will wet the bed.

Obviously, I'm in the FDI camp, and not just because of his "caring" about JBR's hygienic issues. Where was his wife when those things needed attention?

Bbm.
Fair enough.

I am obviously not in the FDI camp but I respect your opinion, and will say I still think even if someone in that house didn't cause her death -- someone in that house (all three are under consideration , imo.) knows more than they've divulged.

Regarding the first bolded : I think that was mentioned a long while back and I may have missed it ?
Why would he even offer to do that ?
Most men don't like those types of duties, imo.
That's just weird.
Omo.

 

[GRT]

Actually, I recently found one of the police interviews where Patsy is asked whether she or John felt funny at all that night, like they were drugged. She answered in the negative. She said they were tired, it had been a very long day. Tired, but not drugged feeling.

We only have the Ramsey's word that they slept soundly. And given their history of not being transparent about certain things or being particularly credible, I don't think we can count on their word.

So, maybe it was just a long and tiring day, but later, when PR was hysterical--after they found JBR--she berated herself for sleeping through her daughter's murder.

In Thomas' book, he mentions there was talk about the Ramsey's being drugged by the Whites. Thomas thought the Whites were innocent, but he mentions that Susan Stine gave the police a list of 31 reasons why the Whites should be considered suspects. One of them was the possibility the Whites drugged the Ramseys.

 

[FMB]

But then after calling the police they did everything possible that went against what they were instructed not to do. It's very easy to make excuses for them. As we say at work in regards to parenting " not taking action, is an action"

I think if I did call the police I would tell them that the ransom note says specifically NOT to call police and get guidance on how to proceed..
I would never think to invite all my neighbors over when the RN stated not to ... my kids life could be on the line....that's nonsensical to me.

 

[GRT]

Bbm.
Fair enough.

I am obviously not in the FDI camp but I respect your opinion, and will say I still think even if someone in that house didn't cause her death -- someone in that house (all three are under consideration , imo.) knows more than they've divulged.

Regarding the first bolded : I think that was mentioned a long while back and I may have missed it ?
Why would he even offer to do that ?
Most men don't like those types of duties, imo.
That's just weird.
Omo.

It strikes me as an odd thing to do, too. On the one hand, at that time, the whole "house husband" thing was taking off and perhaps FW thought it was okay to assist JBR in that manner because he might have tended his own daughter's hygiene needs.

To me, at 6, a little girl should not be tended in her toilet duties by an adult male if there is a female available. But, I say that with a heavy heart, because I don't think all men are going to be tempted in those types of situations.

 

[HistoryNut]

Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

It’s been 28 years since the case captivated the county.

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So many mistakes were made that if investigators took a fresh look, including DNA, they may find new evidence. It would be tragic if this unsolved case gets lost in the pages of history. IMO

 

[GRT]

I think if I did call the police I would tell them that the ransom note says specifically NOT to call police and get guidance on how to proceed..
I would never think to invite all my neighbors over when the RN stated not to ... my kids life could be on the line....that's nonsensical to me.

I think the Ramseys were very socially dependent.

I'm always struck by how they treated their inner group of friends more like family than friends.

Maybe some people do that but it seems foreign to me. Over the years, I've briefly entertained the uncomfortable idea that perhaps their friends were closer than most friends are--maybe like swingers?

 

[GRT]

So many mistakes were made that if investigators took a fresh look, including DNA, they may find new evidence. It would be tragic if this unsolved case gets lost in the pages of history. IMO

It would be nice if someone who is not biased in any direction took a deep-dive into the case with fresh eyes.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Bbm.
Fair enough.

I am obviously not in the FDI camp but I respect your opinion, and will say I still think even if someone in that house didn't cause her death -- someone in that house (all three are under consideration , imo.) knows more than they've divulged.

Regarding the first bolded : I think that was mentioned a long while back and I may have missed it ?
Why would he even offer to do that ?
Most men don't like those types of duties, imo.
That's just weird.
Omo.

I can think of a few reasons.
He had a daughter the same age that he may have been comfortable helping. My ex was very hands on with childcare. That generation of men had different expectations put on them then their fathers. All my friends husband's changed diapers, bathed, and dressed their children.
He was aware or PRs illness and may have stepped in to help when he was around. After all, he and his wife were good friends of the Ramseys. I would.
Think they would have offered to help in some way.
It was known that JBR asked anyone to assist her in the bathroom.My question would be why the focus on Fleet White . My understanding is that Patsy's father was in charge of watching the children while she was undergoing therapy.. If you're going to point the finger at someand he spent more time with the kids in his charge.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

It strikes me as an odd thing to do, too. On the one hand, at that time, the whole "house husband" thing was taking off and perhaps FW thought it was okay to assist JBR in that manner because he might have tended his own daughter's hygiene needs.

To me, at 6, a little girl should not be tended in her toilet duties by an adult male if there is a female available. But, I say that with a heavy heart, because I don't think all men are going to be tempted in those types of situations.

I think that may have been the case. PR and JR were gone for lengths of time.

 

[ShadyLady]

According to Detective Arndt’s note, it appears that JR somewhat followed it in that he had his friend meet with his banker to get the $118,000 and it was arranged that it would be delivered to the house an hour after JBR’s return. He stayed by his house and cell phones, which he permitted to be trapped, so that he we would be available should someone call between 8 AM and 10 AM about JBR.

https://juror13lw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/linda-arndt-jan-8-1997-report.pdf

As for calling the police, I mean if I really thought my child was abducted or taken for ransom I likely would too because LE has the training, education and tools that might be able to identify the perp and find my kid sooner or in the likelihood that the perp is a child predator who never intended to bring my child home no matter how much money I gave them and the letter was just to intimidate me long enough that they had enough time to pass state lines or to a remote hiding place. Such thoughts would not only throw me into a panic but I would want all hands on deck because statistically the longer my kid is gone the more likely there will be tragic outcomes and I would like police to help me prevent that the best they can.

I was not saying "not" to call LE but to at least read the whole ransom letter, and be concerned about what it said.

.....Take into account what the letter said.... they were being watched. It was if they disregarded the whole letter. That having a house full of people would not endanger JBR.

Yes, I know JR called to get the money.

 

[ShadyLady]

It would be nice if someone who is not biased in any direction took a deep-dive into the case with fresh eyes.

Yes, hope this case continues to be discussed. But, if Patsy did it, might be very hard to prove at this stage of the game.

Could some of the partial DNA found have come from the brush? Still so many questions.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yes, hope this case continues to be discussed. But, if Patsy did it, might be very hard to prove at this stage of the game.

Could some of the partial DNA found have come from the brush? Still so many questions, and cremation did not help in looking for more information.

Can you tell me who was cremated?

 

[GRT]

Yes, hope this case continues to be discussed. But, if Patsy did it, might be very hard to prove at this stage of the game.

Could some of the partial DNA found have come from the brush? Still so many questions, and cremation did not help in looking for more information.

I guess DNA could have come from the brush -- I'm hoping the technology is at the stage where they can actually determine more now.

 

[GRT]

Here's the 911 call for those who thought PR told someone to be quiet.

I, myself, don't hear that, but if you do, give me a time stamp and I'll listen closer.

 

[ShadyLady]

Can you tell me who was cremated?

I thought JBR was....but I think I got that mixed up with another case!!!

 

[CloudedTruth]

I thought JBR was....but I think I got that mixed up with another case!!!

No, JBR was not cremated.

 

[ShadyLady]

No, JBR was not cremated.

Let me delete, my mind getting fried!

 

[CloudedTruth]

I think that may have been the case. PR and JR were gone for lengths of time.

I think I remember reading that they called Fleet "Mr. Mom" as kind of a joke, but he did take care of the kids a lot. His daughter Daphne was I think the same age as JB, so it tracks that he would've helped with "sensitive" care of his daughter.

And it is true that JB would yell for anyone that was closest to wipe her. At her age, I have to wonder why that was not addressed during talks about sensitive issues with Dr. Beuf. We know there was at least one conversation about touching. The other thing that strikes me was reading the interview Patsy did in June of 1998 with Trip DeMuth and washing hands and bathing. She didn't really have a clue if JB had washed her hands before going to the White's, or if anyone had asked her / told her to wash her hands before dinner that night. That's a parent's responsibility, not the people in whose house you are a guest. They seemed perfectly fine with other people taking care of their kids' needs. They just come across as lazy parents who didn't want to be bothered.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Let me delete, my mind getting fried!

It's ok, we all get confused sometimes. There is no delete function btw......