Fernie testimony

[Toltec]

Yes....its on the side and the point? Not trying to be obstinate in any way just saying I don't see how its possible to have read the note from that door. But that is just my opinion.

Not trying to make a point...just relaying what's been said about what Fernie did.

 

[coloradokares]

Not trying to make a point...just relaying what's been said about what Fernie did.

thanks I wont say that Fernie somehow did not read the note through the door. What I will say is this I couldn't have .....nor do I see how he could have. But that is just my opinion.

 

[Credence]

I read that witnesses were interviewed on the 27th and they had already been interviewed by investigators for the Ramseys. John Ramsey even implicated Jay from Pasta Jay's. The man let them live at his house and brought them dinner home every night. He said he tried so hard to cheer them up and would open the door at night saying "honey, I'm home". He sounds like a great friend and somebody who cared, but John throws him away, saying he owned a stun gun.

Noone would like to believe that a friend could kill your child. You trust noone. John was asked if he knew anyone that owned a stun gun. He responded.

 

[Ames]

Yes....its on the side and the point? Not trying to be obstinate in any way just saying I don't see how its possible to have read the note from that door. But that is just my opinion.

I agree...he must have had some really good eyesight!!! Doctors should do a study on him, and find out why his eyesight is so good...he sounds like the Bionic Man or something.

 

[icedtea4me]

How did the note end up there on the floor??

My guess is that it had always been on the floor and was never on the spiral staircase, as the Ramseys claimed.


-Tea

 

[Ames]

My guess is that it had always been on the floor and was never on the spiral staircase, as the Ramseys claimed.


-Tea

Tea, are you JRDI, PDI, both RDI, IDI, or BDI? My guess is that you are probably right. I don't think that it was ever on the stair case...just because it would have been really hard for Patsy to step over it, without falling on her butt. She would have had to have grabbed the railing and hoisted herself over it. I believe that it was on the floor...exactly where the Ramsey's put it AFTER they wrote it together. IMO

 

[icedtea4me]

I am a both RDI with .000000000000000001 % chance of an intruder.


-Tea

 

[coloradokares]

Noone would like to believe that a friend could kill your child. You trust noone. John was asked if he knew anyone that owned a stun gun. He responded.

And the the wheels of the bus go bump bump bump. Sorry for the way it sounds so flippant when I do not mean it flippantly at all. One thing is for certain. They all couldn't have killed JonBenet. Yet every friend was eventually mentioned. Except Stines that I know of....

 

[Eagle1]

Noone would like to believe that a friend could kill your child. You trust no one.

John was asked if he knew anyone that owned a stun gun. He responded.

If you're new here, Welcome. Thank you for dusting off all the spin from the simple facts.

Things look strange enough without our adding so much to them. I wish we could just stick to the facts.

 

[Solace]

If you're new here, Welcome. Thank you for dusting off all the spin from the simple facts.

Things look strange enough without our adding so much to them. I wish we could just stick to the facts.

Even Jay, his friend from Pasta Jays, with whom he and Patsy and Burke stayed after the murder. The friend who brought them dinner every night and tried to make them laugh when he came home by saying "Honey, I'm home". Yes they even implicated him. How low can you get.

 

[Eagle1]

We've mentioned that Fernie said he made footprints, but BPD said there were none.

So either he arrived before the light snow, which may have been before daylight, time never pinpointed that I know of, or his prints got trampled?

I too can't see how he could read the note through a door, whether it was already daylight outside or not, but the question is, when did Fernie and FW really arrive?

Nobody's thinking they may have been there all night, right?

 

[Eagle1]

I forget if it's this thread that mentions a gate, just remembered after having been to some others. We'd thought there was no fence anywhere, but maybe a small one in the back?

Solace, as Credence already posted, maybe not in this thread, JR was asked who owned a stun gun and he responded. Who wouldn't, whose child had just been murdered? I don't want to offend you but I could just as easily say "How low can you go?" about petty criticizms of victims, which actually don't prove guilt in the least and are just that, PETTY criticizms. Incredibly petty. Have we no capacity to feel for these people at all?

About their constant "lying", obviously they either fear someone or, judging by their saying truthfully FW or someone owned a stun gun, don't know exactly who.

Merely keeping quiet to cover for someone if they really knew, would be living a lie, but maybe necessary for their own safety. We could criticize the whole lot of them, all their so-called friends. I'm frankly suspicious of them all. Don't know what could have been going on there. If several of them were there, maybe all night, the R's may have been up too but as usual not paying enough attention to what was happening to JonBenet, like when she was apparently molested at the party on the 23rd, evidently couldn't get adults to pay any attention, was all alone on the back steps crying, if we can believe Janet McReynolds. Then I think she tried to make a 911 call and someone grabbed the phone away from her.

For some reason, Susan Stine wouldn't let police in, talked to them through the door. Something weird was going on that night, imo, was continued even more weird on the night JonBenet was killed.

JR's as much as admitted to being wimpy. Patsy may have been distracted by some of the others or, who knows, maybe drunk or something, neither of them watching over their child.

Years ago at the old Justice Watch which is no longer around, someone used Photoshop, I think it was, to make a picture from "Rosemary's Baby" with Ramsey case heads on the figures. This case was already reminding me of the movie Rosemary's Baby also. So I'm not the only one. But we may never know any more along those lines. Is Anton LeVay still alive?

There's just all sorts of possibilities, including the very long CIA theory at www.konformist.com , where you probably have to do a search to find the "Daddy's Little Princess" article.

 

[Solace]

I forget if it's this thread that mentions a gate, just remembered after having been to some others. We'd thought there was no fence anywhere, but maybe a small one in the back?

Solace, as Credence already posted, maybe not in this thread, JR was asked who owned a stun gun and he responded. Who wouldn't, whose child had just been murdered? I don't want to offend you but I could just as easily say "How low can you go?" about petty criticizms of victims, which actually don't prove guilt in the least and are just that, PETTY criticizms. Incredibly petty. Have we no capacity to feel for these people at all?

About their constant "lying", obviously they either fear someone or, judging by their saying truthfully FW or someone owned a stun gun, don't know exactly who.

Merely keeping quiet to cover for someone if they really knew, would be living a lie, but maybe necessary for their own safety. We could criticize the whole lot of them, all their so-called friends. I'm frankly suspicious of them all. Don't know what could have been going on there. If several of them were there, maybe all night, the R's may have been up too but as usual not paying enough attention to what was happening to JonBenet, like when she was apparently molested at the party on the 23rd, evidently couldn't get adults to pay any attention, was all alone on the back steps crying, if we can believe Janet McReynolds. Then I think she tried to make a 911 call and someone grabbed the phone away from her.

For some reason, Susan Stine wouldn't let police in, talked to them through the door. Something weird was going on that night, imo, was continued even more weird on the night JonBenet was killed.

JR's as much as admitted to being wimpy. Patsy may have been distracted by some of the others or, who knows, maybe drunk or something, neither of them watching over their child.

Years ago at the old Justice Watch which is no longer around, someone used Photoshop, I think it was, to make a picture from "Rosemary's Baby" with Ramsey case heads on the figures. This case was already reminding me of the movie Rosemary's Baby also. So I'm not the only one. But we may never know any more along those lines. Is Anton LeVay still alive?

There's just all sorts of possibilities, including the very long CIA theory at www.konformist.com , where you probably have to do a search to find the "Daddy's Little Princess" article.

Hi Eagle, no offense taken. But of course I have to respond.

But before I do, why do you think there was a molestation going on on the 23rd. Nothing of the sort has been proven by anyone. Fleet White I believe said it was an accident, the phone call. I think we have debated before whether or not there was an all nighter going on. I just do not agree with that theory. Susan Stine is an avid Ramsey friend and stayed that way - both sides feeling the same. She more than likely was contacted by Patsy's lawyers and told not to answer questions regarding the Ramseys because the police were looking at the Ramseys and had no intention of looking for an intruder.

"About their constant "lying", obviously they either fear someone or, judging by their saying truthfully FW or someone owned a stun gun, don't know exactly who."

Their constant lying and not remembering is the act of someone who has something to hide; namely, murdering their own daughter - and then self preserving themselves.

There is so much read into everything in this case. It is a murder of a child by a parent in a fit of rage and exhaustion, having been up for 15 hours. There will be no evidence of an intruder not even after 10 years. There is evidence of fibers from the parents on the restraints holding their child, there is evidence of their lying about the child being up, etc. that evening and on and on.

Most crimes are what they seem and this is no exception.

I do not think this is a petty criticism of a victim. No. 1 because I believe John is involved in the murder and not his friend, Jay, and I believe John knows this. But anyway, Jay gets arrested for defending John against reporters. The man opens up his home to him, brought them dinner every night for some time and John the Small implicates him.

Why would he implicate Jay, just to take everything and anything away from him and his wife. After they implicated these people, it was not beyond Patsy to write them notes sending them her love.

Eagle, I am not indiscriminately pointing a finger at John for implicating his friend (He did this with all of his friends, except the Stines I believe). He implicated everyone. He is, in my opinion, low.

But I also appreciate your response, as always. Thanks, Solace

 

[JMO8778]

And the the wheels of the bus go bump bump bump. Sorry for the way it sounds so flippant when I do not mean it flippantly at all. One thing is for certain. They all couldn't have killed JonBenet. Yet every friend was eventually mentioned. Except Stines that I know of....

Did they implicate the Fernies and Walkers as well? I haven't read anything about them.

 

[Solace]

Did they implicate the Fernies and Walkers as well? I haven't read anything about them.

I believe they implicated everyone including my Aunt Tilly.

 

[Eagle1]

You didn't respond to my comments about the movie "Rosemary's Baby", Solace, old pal.

But moving on, another murder of a girl happened close to Pasta Jay's place of business, and he was evidently just pretty rough, to have been arrested for going after someone with a baseball bat. Nobody gets an automatic pass from me just out of a desire to nail the rather IRRESPONSIBLE victims. Their not being in charge in their own home, not paying enough attention to JonBenet, is what's stupid and irritating about them. I admit to a measure of aggravation myself, but there's no evidence with which to accuse them of murdering their own child.
Despite the feelings of those who let their emotions rule instead of their heads, I assure you these people would have been prosecuted if there was any proof.

Think for a minute how strange it was that Susan Stine talked to police and turned them away, through the door, and it wasn't her house. Evidently afraid JonBenet would speak up, if they came in, and they ALL who were there (on the 23rd) obviously had SOMETHING TO HIDE. The others threw the R's under the bus, and got clean away.

Anyone remember all the details of Rosemary's Baby? Mia Farrow's husband was a satanist but I don't think she knew it, right?

I forget how she knew not to trust any of their "friends", can't remember if she knew during her pregnancy that her husband and their friends were all satanists. Maybe she did, because she tried to find a different doctor to deliver the baby, and he turned out to be one of them too. This was all supposed to be in New York? In the end, she delivered a baby that looked just like Satan, (but we didn't get a look) and began to take care of him, when one of the "friends" was rocking his cradle too fast. It was all about betrayal. She'd been used by the devil without her consent.

Could be there was something like this about the Rs' friends, that Patsy didn't know, and John was away so much he didn't know. Yes, they were probably there and somehow involved but with no intent to kill.

I'm not the only one who's reminded of this movie. At the old Justice Watch forum, Dunvegan's, which finally had a lot of threats and closed down, ( maybe getting too close to truth) someone used Photoshap to make a really good picture of a scene from the movie with Ramsey case peoples' heads on the bodies. They all fit perfectly. We'd all done a lot of research about satanism, and, I know, they may frequently have specials on some TV channel claiming they don't harm anyone, but if they aren't the opposite of goodness, why would they want to take Satan's name and worship him and all that, claiming he can give them power.

Sounds like Fernie is sure lying a lot, and some of the others too, but you're not willing to pay attention to that. Who knows how long he'd been there and who else, or what was really going on?

The R's not protecting JonBenet at the party in their own home where she evidently tried calling 911 does implicate the parents, very definitely, yes. We should go from there to figure out to what extent.

 

[Solace]

You didn't respond to my comments about the movie "Rosemary's Baby", Solace, old pal.

But moving on, another murder of a girl happened close to Pasta Jay's place of business, and he was evidently just pretty rough, to have been arrested for going after someone with a baseball bat. Nobody gets an automatic pass from me just out of a desire to nail the rather IRRESPONSIBLE victims. Their not being in charge in their own home, not paying enough attention to JonBenet, is what's stupid and irritating about them. I admit to a measure of aggravation myself, but there's no evidence with which to accuse them of murdering their own child.
Despite the feelings of those who let their emotions rule instead of their heads, I assure you these people would have been prosecuted if there was any proof.

Think for a minute how strange it was that Susan Stine talked to police and turned them away, through the door, and it wasn't her house. Evidently afraid JonBenet would speak up, if they came in, and they ALL who were there (on the 23rd) obviously had SOMETHING TO HIDE. The others threw the R's under the bus, and got clean away.

Anyone remember all the details of Rosemary's Baby? Mia Farrow's husband was a satanist but I don't think she knew it, right?

I forget how she knew not to trust any of their "friends", can't remember if she knew during her pregnancy that her husband and their friends were all satanists. Maybe she did, because she tried to find a different doctor to deliver the baby, and he turned out to be one of them too. This was all supposed to be in New York? In the end, she delivered a baby that looked just like Satan, (but we didn't get a look) and began to take care of him, when one of the "friends" was rocking his cradle too fast. It was all about betrayal. She'd been used by the devil without her consent.

Could be there was something like this about the Rs' friends, that Patsy didn't know, and John was away so much he didn't know. Yes, they were probably there and somehow involved but with no intent to kill.

I'm not the only one who's reminded of this movie. At the old Justice Watch forum, Dunvegan's, which finally had a lot of threats and closed down, ( maybe getting too close to truth) someone used Photoshap to make a really good picture of a scene from the movie with Ramsey case peoples' heads on the bodies. They all fit perfectly. We'd all done a lot of research about satanism, and, I know, they may frequently have specials on some TV channel claiming they don't harm anyone, but if they aren't the opposite of goodness, why would they want to take Satan's name and worship him and all that, claiming he can give them power.

Sounds like Fernie is sure lying a lot, and some of the others too, but you're not willing to pay attention to that. Who knows how long he'd been there and who else, or what was really going on?

The R's not protecting JonBenet at the party in their own home where she evidently tried calling 911 does implicate the parents, very definitely, yes. We should go from there to figure out to what extent.

Hi Eagle. I will be happy to respond to the Rosemary's Baby part. It is without a doubt absurd (with all due respect, sincerely). What are you talking about re Susan Stine turning the police away on the 23rd. Enlighten me.

 

[Eagle1]

Hi Eagle. I will be happy to respond to the Rosemary's Baby part. It is without a doubt absurd (with all due respect, sincerely). What are you talking about re Susan Stine turning the police away on the 23rd. Enlighten me.

I never get locked into any certain theory, remember, but consider a lot of different one. Nothing's impossible.

I'll let someone else recount S. Stine's dealing with the police at the Rs' house. You'd probably think I'm putting you on, if you haven't heart of it. Also, everyone feel free to tell me if I missed anything about Rosemary's Baby. Naturally I'm not claiming the Ramsey friends were satanists, nor am I claiming they're not. We just don't know. But by their own admission, Janet McReynolds', JonBenet was sitting on some back steps all alone crying, instead of playing with the other kids who were there or listening to McSanta or whatever may have been planned for them.

Sounds like to me she'd been taken away from the group and molested, told she was so pretty, and Janet McReynolds said she said "I don't feel pretty."

Where were the parents? I think that's a BIG question. I grant you that was low-down, not paying attention to JonBenet.

I really do think JonBenet was the one who attempted a 911 call, and that someone grabbed the phone away from her. That her killing was to silence her before she should get old enough to spill some kind of beans.

You may think S. Stine just didn't want the uninvolved friends, some of whom maybe hadn't heard about JonBenet crying to know police came to the house. That would be pretty obvious but not the whole story. She may also have known JonBenet would TELL something, that would be embarrassing for some or all of them. Maybe some didn't know, whatever it was. I'll let someone else fill in blanks. Blue Crab? You had the names of the neighbors who testified about the lights.

Was Pasta Jay at the party on the 23rd? I remember seeing a group picture at Dunvegan's Justice Watch, which wasn't the whole party. Maybe Dunvegan's a member at FFJ and maybe this has been discussed there. I don't have all my links list back in yet after a crash and getting a new hard drive. Did you take a look at the "Daddy's Little Princess" theory? JR was an international jetsetter, probably why the rn said "foreign" faction in trying to confuse the big picture. Which they certainly succeeded in doing.

 

[Solace]

I never get locked into any certain theory, remember, but consider a lot of different one. Nothing's impossible.

I'll let someone else recount S. Stine's dealing with the police at the Rs' house. You'd probably think I'm putting you on, if you haven't heart of it. Also, everyone feel free to tell me if I missed anything about Rosemary's Baby. Naturally I'm not claiming the Ramsey friends were satanists, nor am I claiming they're not. We just don't know. But by their own admission, Janet McReynolds', JonBenet was sitting on some back steps all alone crying, instead of playing with the other kids who were there or listening to McSanta or whatever may have been planned for them.

Sounds like to me she'd been taken away from the group and molested, told she was so pretty, and Janet McReynolds said she said "I don't feel pretty."

Where were the parents? I think that's a BIG question. I grant you that was low-down, not paying attention to JonBenet.

I really do think JonBenet was the one who attempted a 911 call, and that someone grabbed the phone away from her. That her killing was to silence her before she should get old enough to spill some kind of beans.

You may think S. Stine just didn't want the uninvolved friends, some of whom maybe hadn't heard about JonBenet crying to know police came to the house. That would be pretty obvious but not the whole story. She may also have known JonBenet would TELL something, that would be embarrassing for some or all of them. Maybe some didn't know, whatever it was. I'll let someone else fill in blanks. Blue Crab? You had the names of the neighbors who testified about the lights.

Was Pasta Jay at the party on the 23rd? I remember seeing a group picture at Dunvegan's Justice Watch, which wasn't the whole party. Maybe Dunvegan's a member at FFJ and maybe this has been discussed there. I don't have all my links list back in yet after a crash and getting a new hard drive. Did you take a look at the "Daddy's Little Princess" theory? JR was an international jetsetter, probably why the rn said "foreign" faction in trying to confuse the big picture. Which they certainly succeeded in doing.

Susan, nothing I dislike more than when someone brings up a subject and asks me to comment on it and when I say I am not familiar, you say you will let someone else enlighten me. I wish you would post it. I am interested. And don't be shy, post the whole thing. I can take it. Whether or not I will believe it is a different story. When Blue Crab is involved, I tend to take it with a very large grain of salt. But if you can give me some facts, I am very interested.

 

[Eagle1]

Susan, nothing I dislike more than when someone brings up a subject and asks me to comment on it and when I say I am not familiar, you say you will let someone else enlighten me. I wish you would post it. I am interested. And don't be shy, post the whole thing. I can take it. Whether or not I will believe it is a different story. When Blue Crab is involved, I tend to take it with a very large grain of salt. But if you can give me some facts, I am very interested.

Blue Crab's a very respected long term member who knows a lot about the case, is more detail-oriented than I am, and can probably fill in anything I may have left out. (Scientific questions are always someone else's department, not mine, the DNA, etc.)

We need BC's input and remember the TOS, never get rude about anyone.

I've told you what I recall about Susan Stine answering the door at the Ramseys' house during the party on the 23rd, sending the police away, and basically that's it. Extremely unusual. I never heard of anyone else doing such a thing. You're a little bit confused, aren't you, or know more than you're letting on, calling me Susan when we're discussing Susan Stine, but I'd only referred to her I believe as S. Stine. What's up with that?