FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[MzOpinion8d]

I am not on the spectrum but I have had days where the cake icing container was not safe from me.....

I may or may not also be a frosting fanatic.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Where is the money coming from? The settlement she got over the wrongful death of her husband was nowhere near that amount. She clearly had money issues prior to her death, having to sell the house in a short sale.

The company ‘Robert Mark Enterprise’ was very successful and lucrative.
A 40 million dollar printing business.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/niko...as-going-to-inherit-800000-when-he-turned-22/

''People think that because you're in business in Westchester, you're not doing well. I do a $40-million-a-year printing business. Some people I meet in sports think, gee, I must be going out of business. Why else would I be in Westchester?''

The major business is the huge commercial printing company called Robert Mark Enterprises (a son of his partner, ROGER CRUZ is named Robert while one of Mr. Weiner's four sons is Mark). Mr. Weiner's daughter, Ellen, is his secretary and another son, Jeffrey, is in the business. The firm is in the Westchester Tower, where it has a complete floor.

Mr. Weiner has a varied array of activities that includes serving as a trustee of New York Medical College in Valhalla. He also did a four-year stint as Police Commissioner of Eastchester.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/05/nyregion/the-lesser-known-but-sporty-dr-i.html

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[Gooddeeds]

Nikolas Cruz: ‘We had this monster living under our roof and we didn’t know.’

They think Cruz moved out of the home of his late mom’s friend in Lantana because of tension about his guns and a possible misunderstanding about money.

Cruz told them he stood to inherit at least $800,000 from his deceased parents. Most of the money would come when he turned 22, he said. The Sneads have SINCE seen paperwork they think supports the claim he was going to be very financially comfortable.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...amily-helped-nikolas-cruz-20180217-story.html

 

[mpnola]

What's the reason behind locking up food?

Sorry I'm just getting back here! I saw some people answer. You know.... for some weird reason, there is a big connection between food issues and disabilities. I did have 1 with Prader Willi, so of course his stuff was locked. But others just had really odd hoarding behaviors (one of my girls would hide sleeves of crackers everywhere in her room! I asked one to carry a bag in and when she put her arm down, it was like a trick or treat bag pouring out her sweatshirt sleeve lol). Sometimes, it would cause them to be up all night prowling for food. I had one that would literally beat people up if she thought you had food on you, so she could have it. Out of my eh, probably 200 clients, she was the only one I was probably legitimately scared of. Food has extreme power and causes extreme behavioral issues. I had 1 that would try to go to the store and sell sex for a Coke and a honey bun. And trust me, they were all well fed, healthy, but had treats- not deprived. Food just seemed to be a big issue for many!

I can 100% guarantee our food was never locked to punish. Loving parents (by every account she was) don't lock food for control issues. They lock it for the safety of the child.

Here is an article that talks about some of the issues:
https://www.ambitiousaboutautism.org.uk/understanding-autism/health/eating-issues

These common issues are difficult enough; their knock-on effects can cause further problems. For instance, it’s common for people with autism to eat either too much or too little. This tends to cause problems with general health and wellbeing, and trying to get your son or daughter to eat more or less than they want can lead to conflicts and behaviour problems. Refusing certain food groups also means missing important nutrients: even if the quantities are right, the quality may be lacking.

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[Gooddeeds]

Sorry I'm just getting back here! I saw some people answer. You know.... for some weird reason, there is a big connection between food issues and disabilities. I did have 1 with Prader Willi, so of course his stuff was locked. But others just had really odd hoarding behaviors (one of my girls would hide sleeves of crackers everywhere in her room! I asked one to carry a bag in and when she put her arm down, it was like a trick or treat bag pouring out her sweatshirt sleeve lol). Sometimes, it would cause them to be up all night prowling for food. I had one that would literally beat people up if she thought you had food on you, so she could have it. Out of my eh, probably 200 clients, she was the only one I was probably legitimately scared of. Food has extreme power and causes extreme behavioral issues. I had 1 that would try to go to the store and sell sex for a Coke and a honey bun. And trust me, they were all well fed, healthy, but had treats- not deprived. Food just seemed to be a big issue for many!

I can 100% guarantee our food was never locked to punish. Loving parents (by every account she was) don't lock food for control issues. They lock it for the safety of the child.

Here is an article that talks about some of the issues:
https://www.ambitiousaboutautism.org.uk/understanding-autism/health/eating-issues

These common issues are difficult enough; their knock-on effects can cause further problems. For instance, it’s common for people with autism to eat either too much or too little. This tends to cause problems with general health and wellbeing, and trying to get your son or daughter to eat more or less than they want can lead to conflicts and behaviour problems. Refusing certain food groups also means missing important nutrients: even if the quantities are right, the quality may be lacking.

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That’s exhausting just to think about it! I can’t imagine being a single parent and trying to manage it alone.

 

[mpnola]

That’s exhausting just to think about it! I can’t imagine being a single parent and trying to manage it alone.

I agree!!! I was a professional and had 24 hour staff to deal with these things. They changed shifts, were trained on burn out and encouraged to let us know if they were seeing signs in themselves or another staff..... and it was still truly extremely hard work. It makes me cringe when I see people saying she was abusing them because of certain things that I know to be huge hurdles in dealing with many kids (or in my case, adults) with disabilities. We had all the professionals you could hire in my team and the behaviors still were not able to be fixed, usually. The behavior plans generally read "behavior x will be reduced to no more than x amount of times per (month/ week/ day or even hour)". Behavior reduction. And when behavioral interventions were not working, you went to things such as locking the refrigerator and food cabinets. It was already stated by the new Guardians that he had odd eating habits (put a cookie in his sandwich). I can bet he had some serious behaviors surrounding food.



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[mpnola]

This is a pretty good video that might give insight into the lives of a family dealing with a chikd with autism, who is violent. I need to be clear that autism looks different in every person and many are not violent. This is a glimpse into what people who have children like Nikolas deal with. He has a long history of violence, outbursts, self-harm, hitting his head, etc.

It's on youtube but from BBC news, so I think it's ok.

https://youtu.be/puhlYl9W1Dw

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[human]

Sorry I'm just getting back here! I saw some people answer. You know.... for some weird reason, there is a big connection between food issues and disabilities. I did have 1 with Prader Willi, so of course his stuff was locked. But others just had really odd hoarding behaviors (one of my girls would hide sleeves of crackers everywhere in her room! I asked one to carry a bag in and when she put her arm down, it was like a trick or treat bag pouring out her sweatshirt sleeve lol). Sometimes, it would cause them to be up all night prowling for food. I had one that would literally beat people up if she thought you had food on you, so she could have it. Out of my eh, probably 200 clients, she was the only one I was probably legitimately scared of. Food has extreme power and causes extreme behavioral issues. I had 1 that would try to go to the store and sell sex for a Coke and a honey bun. And trust me, they were all well fed, healthy, but had treats- not deprived. Food just seemed to be a big issue for many!

I can 100% guarantee our food was never locked to punish. Loving parents (by every account she was) don't lock food for control issues. They lock it for the safety of the child.

Here is an article that talks about some of the issues:
https://www.ambitiousaboutautism.org.uk/understanding-autism/health/eating-issues

These common issues are difficult enough; their knock-on effects can cause further problems. For instance, it’s common for people with autism to eat either too much or too little. This tends to cause problems with general health and wellbeing, and trying to get your son or daughter to eat more or less than they want can lead to conflicts and behaviour problems. Refusing certain food groups also means missing important nutrients: even if the quantities are right, the quality may be lacking.

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Children I,have seen with food hoarding or overeating issues are because they were deprived food at home when growing up. I imagine these are behaviors of foster children? They learned those at their homes

 

[human]

Cruz may be autistic, but remember he was working at the store. He kept his behavior in check enough that the Sneads did not notice anything.

I think his behavior at home had a lot to do with the mother not knowing how to parent. I think they got into a lot of power struggles,

 

[kittythehare]

No disrespect to you and I understand empathy, kitty..... but there is no justifiable reason for him killing 17 lives. I feel for the families of those 17 victims and for the wonderful lives they may have led.

I feel bad for them all.
When I saw the poor broken perpetrator in court, the last thing I expected was to feel an overwhelming sense of grief and sorrow for him.
I guessed at his autism before I saw it confirmed.
I guessed at his being a target and victim of bullying before I saw it confirmed..

i cannot apply logic and reason and hatred to the mind that informed the actions of a broken bird..no more than i can apply it to any state of mental physical disability..there go I, etc.
An injured and much loved and loving pet will often attack it's owner when hurt or injured..not because they are inherently evil but because they have a very limited choice of responses.

Is it fair or even rational to hold them to the same standards of a cold highly functioning human with cruel and sadistic but highly controllable impulses and intelligence, motivated by one or more of the more base human emotions?

I grieve for the victims too and it is not an either or situation where the .one must be weighed against the other.

I will never understand how anybody considered it appropriate to grant NC gun rights.
If he had no access to guns, he could not have carried out his horrific action.

If he had been placed in an environment where he had an opportunity to thrive and gain some sense of self worth, the outcome of his tragic life could have been a whole lot better.

 

[Peculiar]

I wonder if LC did a short sale to rid herself of a house of shattered dreams as her health was also declining—a short sale as an immediate method to remove the bad memories in that home, the presumed bad condition it was in (walls punched in, furniture bashed, etc), and in some ways thinking it would rid herself of NC if she moved into a small apartment once NC turned 18?

Maybe she tried her best time and again to devote all her energies, time, Love, money to what she dreamed to be a perfect home and family just to see her dream crumble time and time again?

Maybe she gave up? Maybe she **needed** it all to be gone quickly as she had one too many last straws? It is possible that she felt all alone in her “prison” of a house with a very sick and disturbed son? Maybe she just gave up in every literal sense of the word? Cutting her losses.....

I don't think so. From what I've read, she sounds like a loving, doting mother to Nikolas Cruz. Plus, when she moved into the townhouse after selling the family home, Cruz lived with her still until her death.

 

[jjenny]

Cruz may be autistic, but remember he was working at the store. He kept his behavior in check enough that the Sneads did not notice anything.

I think his behavior at home had a lot to do with the mother not knowing how to parent. I think they got into a lot of power struggles,

Yes, sounds like he could control his behavior if he wanted to.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't think so. From what I've read, she sounds like a loving, doting mother to Nikolas Cruz. Plus, when she moved into the townhouse after selling the family home, Cruz lived with her still until her death.

I’m certain she had been a loving mother but I think she became worn down from dealing with her sons as she aged, her health weakened, and NC’s problem became more profound.

I thought NC’s mom moved into an apartment, no? And I don’t remember where I saw it but I thought I saw where the mother was trying to find another home for NC???

 

[kittythehare]

Cruz may be autistic, but remember he was working at the store. He kept his behavior in check enough that the Sneads did not notice anything.

I think his behavior at home had a lot to do with the mother not knowing how to parent. I think they got into a lot of power struggles,

Not sure what kind of tasks he had.. not sure whether they were any more than stacking shelves or working in a store..
There is still a lot we do not know.
I am believing he had little to no impulse control mechanism.. it's possible he was not bullied there and people were kind to him..
I'm interested in his rOTC training and whether any reports exist, or even how that works?

How long did he attend, were there any incidents, and how was he treated?
Is it a case that he thrived under certain circumstances and fell apart under less favourable ones?

 

[kdg411]

What are you referring to? I don’t see a link or quote.

Click on Broward County Ckerk in my post, it`s hyperlinked.

HTH

 

[enelram]

Another, not very thorough, mapping of NC's journey through schools near his home area. The details about his schooling
have been pretty vague since the beginning. And the dates and confirmation of suspensions and expulsions has
been muddy also. I have all along suspected the school board is concerned about their culpability here and went into
CYA mode early on. Just my skeptical opinion.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...ol-shooting-bcps-timeline-20180227-story.html

 

[enelram]

Not sure what kind of tasks he had.. not sure whether they were any more than stacking shelves or working in a store..
There is still a lot we do not know.
I am believing he had little to no impulse control mechanism.. it's possible he was not bullied there and people were kind to him..
I'm interested in his rOTC training and whether any reports exist, or even how that works?

How long did he attend, were there any incidents, and how was he treated?
Is it a case that he thrived under certain circumstances and fell apart under less favourable ones?

Kitty, I read one article online that someone who worked w/ NC at Dollar Store said he was a cashier. Don't know if it was confirmed or not.
Also re: ROTC, the only report I've seen came from the ROTC teacher who was complimentary of him and provided the comments/award info, but this was only 3 months into his joining ROTC and enrolling in MSD HS. So I don't know if he was able to maintain that good behavior or good grades the rest of that year.

 

[kittythehare]

Kitty, I read one article online that someone who worked w/ NC at Dollar Store said he was a cashier. Don't know if it was confirmed or not.
Also re: ROTC, the only report I've seen came from the ROTC teacher who was complimentary of him and provided the comments/award info, but this was only 3 months into his joining ROTC and enrolling in MSD HS. So I don't know if he was able to maintain that good behavior or good grades the rest of that year.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/16/17021874/report-nikolas-cruz-florida-rifle-team-nra-grant

“He was a very good shot,” Aaron Diener, who was part of Cruz’s shooting team in 2016, told the AP. “He had an AR-15 he talked about, and pistols he had shot. ... He would tell us, ‘Oh, it was so fun to shoot this rifle’ or ‘It was so fun to shoot that.’ It seemed almost therapeutic to him, the way he spoke about it.”

I wonder what it was about shooting that gave him satisfaction.. Sun sentinel or miami herald reported he became startled and upset when he heard loud noises?

In some reports he appears to be high functioning, in others, not at all..

I wonder how much he understands now regarding the action he took.. I wonder whether his mind has become utterly fractured?

More here http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/18/junior-rotc-leader-shocked-that-florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-was-his-cadet.html

He liked hunting. He liked fishing. And me, being a guy and liking that kind of thing, you know, military, ROTC ... it seemed normal,” the 17-year-old senior told The Associated Press

As Cruz’s leader in Company E — “Echo Company” — Ciaramello tried to instill discipline, pride and a sense of camaraderie in Cruz.

But last year, Cruz reportedly stopped wearing his JROTC gear. As leader, Ciaramello took notice.

He said Cruz always had an excuse for being out of uniform. Worried Cruz would get kicked out of the corps, Ciaramello asked what it would take to get him to wear his gear.
His request: a Snickers candy bar.
“So I went out to the store, I bought him it, and the next day, there on after, he came in with the uniform every day — T-shirt, uniform, everything,” Ciaramello said.

 

[CARIIS]

Here is where they lived before the move

look at the baby !

https://www.redfin.com/FL/Parkland/6166-NW-80th-Ter-33067/home/41402468

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/2/21/inside_the_us_military_recruitment_program

The JROTC program is a military recruitment program that has more than 3,000 schools. Of those, more than 1,600 schools participate in marksmanship programs across the country. So we have firing ranges in high schools in every state. They fire .177 caliber rifles. They’re CO2-fired. The lead projectile travels at 600 feet per second. By comparison, a .22 caliber rifle travels at between 800 and 900 feet per second. So, it’s a lethal weapon, categorized by the Army. And Florida state law specifically prohibits carrying these weapons, these lethal weapons, into schools.

PAT ELDER: Well, apparently he wanted to convey to the world that he was affiliated with the JROTC program. Amy, it’s an insidious practice. We have the United States Army and the other three branches in the high schools putting lethal weapons into the hands of 13- and 14-year-olds. It’s time this stops. And the program has more than 575,000 children in all the states, and it teaches an insidious, horrendous, reactionary view of American history. The United States government, for instance, had an innocent Navy boat off of the Gulf of Tonkin, and it was maliciously fired on by the North Vietnamese. We helped Cubans win their independence because they were treated so poorly by the Spanish. I think you get the idea. We’re not just talking about putting weapons into the hands of 13-year-olds. We’re also talking about a system that brainwashes these children with textbooks. For instance, the civics textbook used in JROTC programs across the country has a unit on United States civics entitled “You the People.” I learned as “We the People.” Didn’t you?