FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[LolaMoon08]

Even inside a well lit gated community?

I live in a well-lit gated community and I would absolutely be scared of some man sitting in a car, watching me! 100%! Just because you live in a gated community doesn't mean we don't have crazy people living here? Just check the sexual predator database?

 

[rossva]

Huh?

"In Atlanta, Georgia, the XXVI Summer Olympiad is disrupted by the explosion of a nail-laden pipe bomb in Centennial Olympic Park. The bombing, which occurred during a free concert, killed a mother who had brought her daughter to hear the rock music and injured more than 100 others, including a Turkish cameraman who suffered a fatal heart attack after the blast."


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bombing-at-centennial-olympic-park

The cases you cited are not good examples; no deaths.

 

[songline]

Are street signs not visible from vehicles?? BBM

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, his father is a former magistrate of the Virginia Supreme Court?

I keep seeing this fact brought up. Do you feel that it's just Sanford PD that gives breaks on murder charges to children of out of state judges, or is this a nationwide problem.

 

[Boytwnmom]

they had sent their drug detective out to view the dead black guy who they assumed was on drugs and a criminal and wrote up their report that GZ was AOK in doing the killing. That's WHY there was a public outcry-because they weren't investigating or doing anything-they had decided, case closed.

There were numerous reports like this from ABC. All of which indicated the "investigation" was just writing down what GZ said and sending him home. Witnesses have said police tried to change their story and acted nonchalant about the killing. This has all been documented here over the past days.

ABC News has learned police seemed to accept Zimmerman's account at face value that night and that he was not tested for drugs or alcohol on the night of the shooting, even though it is standard procedure in most homicide investigations.

And what is there to indicate that an investigation was not taking place? How long do you think a "normal" investigation with as much vagueness as this should take? Do you think that they should rush the investigation?

 

[angelmom]

Because of the Florida statute. There has to be probable cause to suspect the use of force was unlawful to arrest Zimmerman. The shooting itself is not sufficient enough unless there is further cause to believe it was unlawful. The man that threw the flour was not affected by such a law, and clearly committed assault and battery.

This is incorrect. The statute can be used by a judge to determine if the case goes to trial, but it doesn't mean the police are not allowed to arrest the killer or investigate. It happens all the time. How can they decide that there is not sufficient evidence if they don't even look for or collect evidence?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...322_1_orlando-police-prosecutors-records-show

Sanford police let George Zimmerman go home after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin last month, but Central Florida police agencies routinely make arrests for murder in "stand your ground" cases — and then let courts decide if a killing is justified.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I keep seeing this fact brought up. Do you feel that it's just Sanford PD that gives breaks on murder charges to children of out of state judges, or is this a nationwide problem.

I believe it is a nationwide problem. We've had them here in Lee County, Florida with police and their children.

Oops, didn't see the murder part?? I have no idea about murder? But crimes? Yes. I also would like to know if at any time Zimmerman was being questioned by LE that night, if he called his father?

 

[JeannaT]

I was adviser to a student newspaper at a college with a large percentage of Black students. It is difficult to photograph dark skin in black and white - it does not reflect light as easily. Therefore, in many b/w photos of Blacks, the persons features were indiscernible. We routinely altered the photos in Photoshop to show the faces more clearly. That was the only reason.

Since the public isn't charged with trying to locate a missing Trayvon, which would explain a necessity to make his features as clear as possible to the viewer, it seems incredibly racist of whoever lightened him up in an attempt to make him look more "innocent".

I actually prefer the darker picture. He looks younger, and more boyish in that unaltered pic than he does in the altered whitened pic.

Really. I wonder who lightened him.

 

[songline]

But according to one article that I posted earlier today, it says he contacted his friends to go to the media on his behalf. I guess 2 decided too but the others declined for fear of their safety.


Link to article....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...rying-shooting/story?id=15997075#.T28yITH2b2Y

~jmo~

In this ling GAs friend is in the vidio. Is that what you mean?


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin

 

[m00c0w]

I believe Zimmerman's lawyer should ask LE to release the pictures of Zimmerman's injuries they took at the scene or at the station the night of the shooting? Trayvon's family got the 911 tapes released? Why can't Zimmerman's attorney get them to release the photographs to help his client?

Why should he? Trayvon's family wanted to hear the 911 tapes themselves. Anyone related to Zimmerman probably has ample opportunity to see such things. I'm not sure that Zimmerman's attorney is, or should be, concerned with satiating a crowd that would probably not care either way.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Since the public isn't charged with trying to locate a missing Trayvon, which would explain a necessity to make his features as clear as possible to the viewer, it seems incredibly racist of whoever lightened him up in an attempt to make him look more "innocent".

I actually prefer the darker picture. He looks younger, and more boyish in that unaltered pic than he does in the altered whitened pic.

Really. I wonder who lightened him.

He looks equally as innocent to me in both pictures? I would have never even noticed a difference if people didn't blow them up and point it out?

 

[JeannaT]

Are street signs not visible from vehicles?? BBM

I don't believe for a minute he doesn't know the names of the streets in his condo complex, but last night I got out to look more clearly at a street sign at dusk. No, I couldn't read it from my car.

But I don't think that's what he was doing.

 

[songline]

I believe Zimmerman's lawyer should ask LE to release the pictures of Zimmerman's injuries they took at the scene or at the station the night of the shooting? Trayvon's family got the 911 tapes released? Why can't Zimmerman's attorney get them to release the photographs to help his client?

From what i see they dont do good work over there, doubt they botherd

 

[m00c0w]

This is incorrect. The statute can be used by a judge to determine if the case goes to trial, but it doesn't mean the police are not allowed to arrest the killer or investigate. It happens all the time. How can they decide that there is not sufficient evidence if they don't even look for or collect evidence?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...322_1_orlando-police-prosecutors-records-show

Oh, really?

Then what does this mean?

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use
of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is
justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action
for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law
enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance
of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance
with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have
known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the
term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or
prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the
use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the
person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the
force that was used was unlawful.

Emphasis mine.

 

[songline]

I don't believe for a minute he doesn't know the names of the streets in his condo complex, but last night I got out to look more clearly at a street sign at dusk. No, I couldn't read it from my car.

But I don't think that's what he was doing.

WHY NOT?
i do

 

[Lovejac]

If he attacked GZ was he still a victim?

That makes absolutely NO difference.

Our awesome mods AND the owner of this forum have made it crystal clear that Trayvon Martin is the victim.

Please respect that.

 

[Rougelatete]

Until reports are made public a lot of the above is a moot point IMO. I have no idea if they kept GZ clothing.IIRC on the 911 calls more then one person stated the man with red shirt was on the bottom and he was the one screaming which was GZ, which I believe more then any interviews after a mob mentality can frighten people about their own safety.Of course they run back ground checks esp to see if there was any records.Maybe some people did not answer the door might not have wanted to get involved.Just like people keep saying here they gave TM a drug and alcohol test and not GZ, as far as I know that is routinely done at autopsy, I have not seen it officially stated that police did not give GZ same tests. I am glad they have not arrested GZ because of the pressure that is not Justice IMO if they had proof he did not fire in self defense he would have been arrested IMO.Where is there proof of wrong doing by the police?

Sigh. Where do I start? In terms of the witness statement that was not gathered, I was referring to TM's girlfriend. LE did not seek her out to get her statement on the events of that night and she is a key witness. They did not keep GZ's clothing; they let him leave the police station wearing the same clothes he wore that night. You say "of course they run background checks" -- why wouldn't they run one on the shooter, then? Also, it is standard investigative procedure to do a drug/alcohol test on anyone involved in a homicide, even if they claim self defense. That wasn't done in this case. And, I don't know about anyone else, but the way GZ sounded in that voicemail to his friend that was played on Dateline tonight sounded very different to me than his 911 call which had a slow drawl. MOO on that last part.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Why should he? Trayvon's family wanted to hear the 911 tapes themselves. Anyone related to Zimmerman probably has ample opportunity to see such things. I'm not sure that Zimmerman's attorney is, or should be, concerned with satiating a crowd that would probably not care either way.

Because I would like to see them? It really is as simple as that? I would like to know if pictures were even taken as part of the investigation? As a Florida taxpayer, I have a right to see them whether it be now or later? It will be public record? I guess I'll just continue to be patient and wait for them to be released?

 

[annalia]

Since the public isn't charged with trying to locate a missing Trayvon, which would explain a necessity to make his features as clear as possible to the viewer, it seems incredibly racist of whoever lightened him up in an attempt to make him look more "innocent".

I actually prefer the darker picture. He looks younger, and more boyish in that unaltered pic than he does in the altered whitened pic.

Really. I wonder who lightened him.

my bolding

No one, because the darker picture wasn't the original picture to begin with. That was disinformation.

How could the darker picture that ran on 3/22 be the original, when the lighter picture had already been run in several media outlets prior to that?

And how could a cropped picture be the original when the full picture was run in the media prior to that?

Answer, that darker picture was NOT the original. It was disinformation.

It had already been in the media, here are but a few links that show it had already been in the media.
3/20;
http://newsone.com/nation/tjstarr/million-hoody-march-trayvon-martin/

3/18;
http://carolynedgar.com/2012/03/18/the-tragic-case-of-trayvon-martin/

3/20
http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/20...rtment-launches-trayvon-martin-investigation/

Since the darker picture wasn't really the original, should we now wonder if the MH intentionally altered it to portray Trayvon as darker? Because apparently there are those who believed that making him look lighter would make him look less suspicious.

 

[Inabsentia]

Even inside a well lit gated community?

Yes. I was once violently attacked in a well lit gated community.