GUILTY FL - Charles Kinsey, autistic caregiver, North Miami, July 2016 -guilty of misdemeanor

[Elley Mae]

Before police shooting, 911 caller cautioned man might be mentally ill
Miami Herald
By Charles Rabin
July 28, 2016

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article92497672.html#storylink=cpy

“In the 911 call to police that led to the shooting of mental healthcare worker Charles Kinsey, a woman described a Hispanic man in the street holding a gun to his head — but warned the dispatcher that the man appeared to be mentally ill and that it might not be a gun.

She also said that a black man was trying to help him and accurately detailed what both Kinsey and his autistic patient, Arnaldo Eliud Rios, were wearing.

“I don’t know if it’s a gun. But he has something the shape of a gun, so just be careful,” the caller said in a 911 recording released late Thursday by Miami-Dade police. “But he’s sitting in the middle of the road.””

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“Miami-Dade police released the three-minute, 19-second recording on the same day Kinsey for the first time spoke publicly since leaving the hospital.”​

Much more. Includes audio of the call.

So did the dispatcher drop the ball, and not relay the information in red?

 

[i.b.nora]

So did the dispatcher drop the ball, and not relay the information in red?

We don't know yet. Its talked about in the article:

“The 911 call seems in line with what police had previously described — that someone warned them of someone in the street with a gun. But the warning that one of the men in the street might be mentally ill appears to add a new factor to the narrative.

“I don’t think there was a dispute about the 911 call,” Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon said Thursday. “The issue is going to come when the radio transmission is released. I really do believe justice will be served at the end.”

Those communications between police officers and their dispatcher during the Kinsey shooting have yet to be made public. Sources familiar with the shooting believe it will show that North Miami Cmdr. Emile Hollant warned officers that one of the men was loading a weapon just before Aledda fired.”​

 

[KaaBoom]

Perfect place? His mother wanted him transferred even before the shooting.

"Soto wanted her son moved to another group home. But, she said, she was told the transfer would take some time."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy

OK, a group home is the perfect place for him.

 

[CARIIS]

We don't know yet. Its talked about in the article:

“The 911 call seems in line with what police had previously described — that someone warned them of someone in the street with a gun. But the warning that one of the men in the street might be mentally ill appears to add a new factor to the narrative.

“I don’t think there was a dispute about the 911 call,” Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon said Thursday. “The issue is going to come when the radio transmission is released. I really do believe justice will be served at the end.”

Those communications between police officers and their dispatcher during the Kinsey shooting have yet to be made public. Sources familiar with the shooting believe it will show that North Miami Cmdr. Emile Hollant warned officers that one of the men was loading a weapon just before Aledda fired.”​

Hi!

That was my take too - in the recoding she talked over the caller a lot. What is really strange is for hours after they detained the child they were using words like looney - so at some level they had to know something about the child, and still did what they did.

Their webssite

..... program promotes peace of mind and a sense of security for the elderly or disabled who enjoy the independence of living alone but have no friends or family members available to check in on them.

Its a small city - I think the dept is like a small town buddy system. MOO but the awards being given out - if they turn out to be funny - this is a boys club moo
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Zip codes: 33161.
Estimated median household income in 2013: $35,139 (it was $29,778 in 2000)

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Looks like three other officers have been killed in the line of duty

Apparently the dpbt had a big focus on wearing a seatbelt.

Therewere 17 enforcement details, resulting in 12arrests and 1,280 citations. Of those citationsissued during the details, 414 were for seatbeltviolations and 38 were for child restraintviolations.

They got very serious about jaywalking The had 12 units on the jaywalking project. took a tough stance against jaywalking

They foucused on keeping the water in the city clean. The first thing that comes up on their webpage reviews rip currents. It also has a link to hire an off duty cop.

WOW! The program promotes peace of mind and a sense of security for the elderly or disabled who enjoy the independence of living alone but have no friends or family members available to check in on them.


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ot : dont remember which one this was but boy this is not comforting

G4S manages security services for more than half of the US's commercial nuclear power generating plants!!

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[CARIIS]

o/t: Just started a thread, it sounds like a cop shot another cop in INDIANAPOLIS ???




Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out, and the FBI does not collect these data either.[SUP][1][/SUP]due to the lack of participation from state and local agencies, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped keeping count in March 2014.[SUP][15][/SUP]

The Washington Post has tracked shootings (only) since 2015, reporting 990 shootings in that year,[SUP][4][/SUP] and more than 250 by the end of March 2016.[SUP][5]

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2.92 for "White" people,
7.2 for "Black", and
3.5 for "Hispanic/Latino",
1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander",
and 3.4 for "Native American".

persons killed :853 armed, 224 unarmed.

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[CARIIS]

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Pulse shooting new
Body cam here (you can hear a cop saying Holy sh#t Holy sh&t -- and laughing and laughing

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-pulse-orange-county-reports-20160729-story.html

 

[K_Z]

OK, a group home is the perfect place for him.

Depending on the capabilities and skills of the particular group home he was assigned to, perhaps. Or perhaps the group home he is assigned to is incapable of ensuring his safety, the safety of others, and nurturing his capabilities, or is not set up for those with profound autism.

It's possible that the severity of his intellectual disabilities means that he needs a significantly higher level of care. That's kind of what I'm seeing, here, quite frankly. He's not mentally ill. He is permanently intellectually disabled. That requires a completely different approach, than mental illness. The conduct of the home, with their "policies", appears to be that they considered him "mentally ill" and not permanently intellectually disabled. Two very different conditions, requiring different approaches to care and supervision.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article91472342.html

(A short digression. I personally dislike the generalist term "developmentally delayed", as I think it's a useless "PC" euphemism. It erroneously implies that "catching up" or "recovery" to a normal neurobehavioral developmental state is somehow "hopefully" possible, given the "proper" level of care and support, which is not evidenced at all by outcomes, scientifically. This term "developmentally delayed", is now quite confusing to the general public, IMO. Though it is now colloquially considered a pejorative term, the old descriptor "mentally retarded" was much more realistically understood by the general public. I think the new DSM has done away with this term "mentally retarded", due solely to societal activist pressures. We all now have to "pretend" that the most profoundly intellectually disabled people, who need the most careful, loving, and secure level of care are just a little "delayed" and will "catch up" any day now to ordinary adults. We pretend that they are just "normal" adults who have some kind of situational mental illness. This is an immense disservice to mentally disabled adults, IMO.)

Mr. Kinsey was, and is, very devoted to caring for Mr. Soto, and very devoted to doing what he can within the limits of his position to ensure his safety, and the safety of others. However, I personally think Mr. Soto's needs are significantly more complex than the environment in which he was placed. And I think that this "wrong placement", in part, contributed a lot to the frustrating and terrifying situation that occurred. Mr. Soto should have been in a sheltered environment, that by its design and purpose, allowed him a lot of free movement, but ensured his safety, and prevented him from "wandering" and going into the street.

That certainly doesn't mean I think the officer that shot Mr. Kinsey is off the hook. The issues that crashed together during this encounter that lead to Mr.Kinsey's shooting, are many, and difficult to solve quickly. IMO.

 

[jjenny]

OK, a group home is the perfect place for him.

What group home? His mother wanted him transferred out of there even before this particular incident, but there doesn't seem to be any other group homes appropriate for him. If he is allowed to be in the community as he pleases, seems like a recipe for disaster, as he doesn't seem to understand traffic laws. As he was sitting in the middle of the street during this incident, he could be easily hit by a car.

 

[i.b.nora]

What group home? His mother wanted him transferred out of there even before this particular incident, but there doesn't seem to be any other group homes appropriate for him. If he is allowed to be in the community as he pleases, seems like a recipe for disaster, as he doesn't seem to understand traffic laws. As he was sitting in the middle of the street during this incident, he could be easily hit by a car.

Only if someone was aiming at him, imo. At least one car with driver (the 911 caller) successfully passed by him. This is not a North Miami traffic control issue, imo.

Had the police not acted deaf, dumb, and blind they might have simply found a way to help Mr Kinsey escort Mr Rios back to his group home just around the corner.

 

[jjenny]

Only if someone was aiming at him, imo. At least one car with driver (the 911 caller) successfully passed by him. This is not a North Miami traffic control issue, imo.

Had the police not acted deaf, dumb, and blind they might have simply found a way to help Mr Kinsey escort Mr Rios back to his group home just around the corner.

One car managed not to hit him-that doesn't mean he can sit in the middle of the street and never be hit. Do you know he did the same thing after Mr. Kinsey was shot-walked out of the group home and sat on the street? After that he was put into psychiatric hospital. I don't think this group home is able to handle him.

 

[ohreally]

I do have concerns about how Soto was treated in the group home. On July 5th Soto was taken to the urgent care his mother met them there. He was injured the day before he was taken to urgent care trying to leave the group home. He had a black eye and broken nose. A broken finger probably from a previous injury, and red and yellow swirls on his chest.
This is from Bowers: Bower readily acknowledges that, “in this situation, it appears we didn’t do our job.” And his program is paying for it: Employees have resigned. The families of clients have asked to have their loved ones transferred.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article91472342.html
I am in know way making excuses for the shooting and do agree a full investigation needs to be done, and consequences paid. However I do believe that a full investigation into the group home is also warranted. These are patients that cannot speak for themselves and IMO there certainly is a question on their care. I do understand that the patients in their care can get injured by the patients own aggressions. What doesn't seem right to me is waiting a day to take Soto in for medical care of a broken nose. A broken finger that they didn't even know was broken from a previous incident. I also question the red and yellow swirls on his chest. I don't quite understand the meaning of them, but yellow swirls lead me to believe these are older injuries.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy​

 

[KaaBoom]

What group home? His mother wanted him transferred out of there even before this particular incident, but there doesn't seem to be any other group homes appropriate for him. If he is allowed to be in the community as he pleases, seems like a recipe for disaster, as he doesn't seem to understand traffic laws. As he was sitting in the middle of the street during this incident, he could be easily hit by a car.

From your link.

Soto wanted her son moved to another group home. But, she said, she was told the transfer would take some time. Soto had not heard from anyone about the transfer for two weeks.

The only danger he was in, was from the trigger happy cop. Again it’s a sad commentary on our society, if we have to lock autistic people up to protect them from the trigger happy cops. Maybe in the future everybody will have to be locked behind bullet proof glass for protection from our violent LEOs.

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[bluesneakers]

Only if someone was aiming at him, imo. At least one car with driver (the 911 caller) successfully passed by him. This is not a North Miami traffic control issue, imo.

Had the police not acted deaf, dumb, and blind they might have simply found a way to help Mr Kinsey escort Mr Rios back to his group home just around the corner.

It's not like he was in the middle of a highway and it's not like he wouldn't have been obvious to anyone driving down the street. The young man was not in danger of being hit by a car he was in danger of being shot by a pubic servant.

The officer(s) could have done a much better job assessing and dealing with the situation. Blocked the street, listened better, negotiated, called the center, called someone skilled in dealing with people who have mental or emotional issues... so many other options.

 

[GeeEm]

We still do not know the identity of the 911 caller, but from what I am hearing, the Spanish lady did a good job with details with the possibility English could be her 2nd language. I for one understood her word for word. I just wonder why someone didn't offer to assist instead of jumping to conclusion the autistic man had a gun, maybe scared? While viewing the video(several times), I seen no evidence of a gun, only the toy truck and Mr Kinsey begging not to shoot explaining the whole situation. Again, we witness the cop(s) shooting an innocent man.

Too many raw emotions!

jmo :moo:

 

[CARIIS]

I do have concerns about how Soto was treated in the group home. On July 5th Soto was taken to the urgent care his mother met them there. He was injured the day before he was taken to urgent care trying to leave the group home. He had a black eye and broken nose. A broken finger probably from a previous injury, and red and yellow swirls on his chest.
This is from Bowers: Bower readily acknowledges that, “in this situation, it appears we didn’t do our job.” And his program is paying for it: Employees have resigned. The families of clients have asked to have their loved ones transferred.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article91472342.html
I am in know way making excuses for the shooting and do agree a full investigation needs to be done, and consequences paid. However I do believe that a full investigation into the group home is also warranted. These are patients that cannot speak for themselves and IMO there certainly is a question on their care. I do understand that the patients in their care can get injured by the patients own aggressions. What doesn't seem right to me is waiting a day to take Soto in for medical care of a broken nose. A broken finger that they didn't even know was broken from a previous incident. I also question the red and yellow swirls on his chest. I don't quite understand the meaning of them, but yellow swirls lead me to believe these are older injuries.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy​

I am certainly not making excuse for group home, but in these settings staffing is really an issue. It can be draining work, turnover usually high, pay low. When I read that right after this staff resigned that was a huge red flag for me.

IMO, that was like the last straw for folks that had been wanting to leave for a long time, felt non supported by admin, felt as if they had been ******ing about staffing levels for some time with no changes.

Doing a transport in those settings can be really rough- if you cant find staff, kinda trapped. Unless its really bad, pt could get hurt in an ambulance- especially this population that does not do good with "change" and being around new faces (ambulance folks).

Folks in the field often have anguished feelings in that cops ambulance people etc do not understand what is going for the pt, and tend to just tie them down for transportt which is very stressful for the pt.

It would be ideal for a familiar staff member to take him to a new "envoronment" - emergency room. It is a bit more complicated than it sounds - ya gotta keep everyone safe. Ambulance rushing in , strange faces etc could escalate all the others in the house - and if you are already short staffed, could have a very tricky and dangeroues sitution where more people get hurt.

Its like it sounds like he should have just been taken to the emergency room -- there are many variables to consider - and it was right after July 4 so you probably had folks calling in with the hangover "flu"!!

This guy appears good - a lot of these folks, in these positions, are basically orderlies, have caught on that it pays a bit better than Burger King, and burned totally out.

The media calling him a therapist from the get go, gives a false picture of how they are staffed. Some of you know how hard it is to attend to ( I think 6 live there.). 6 severly disabled , autistic guys can be a real handfull. I am sure staffing levels IMO, will emerge here.

ANyone know the timeframe from when he wandered out, and the guy went after him? One would have to sort of get ready- to leave, cause you have to make sure the rest of the folks are OK before going after him.

Transport is a lot more than it sounds!!

Autism is really hard, explosive, unpredicatable. I have actually found the autistic individual - or most folks that have limited capacities folks much harder to "sense" a meltdown is only seconds away. WIth the psycotics, most of the time its like you have more cues that they are going to escalate. That has just been my experience - it may be different for others.

Its often sudden explosion. moo

One car managed not to hit him-that doesn't mean he can sit in the middle of the street and never be hit. Do you know he did the same thing after Mr. Kinsey was shot-walked out of the group home and sat on the street? After that he was put into psychiatric hospital. I don't think this group home is able to handle him.

Sadly we are back to money. There are just no beds - he is lucky he got one beleive it or not. There are very little resources - he got this long, IMO, stay at the hospital, solely cause of the media. The hospital would have, IMO ,discharged him back to the group home after they sedated him.

SOrry, that is the reality in our society--we do not take care of the mentally ill/delayed in USA

 

[i.b.nora]

Police shooting victim files lawsuit against North Miami officer
The Miami Herald
By Lance Dixon
August 4, 2016

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/north-miami/article93720952.html

“Two weeks after a controversial shooting, Charles Kinsey has filed a federal lawsuit against North Miami police Officer Jonathan Aledda.

In the lawsuit, Kinsey argues that Aledda and other officers wrongfully arrested him and used excessive force — saying that Aledda did not help stop the bleeding after the shooting, even after officers recognized there was no weapon at the scene. They are demanding a jury trial, unstated monetary damages and any other fees due to the physical, emotional and mental pain the incident caused.”

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““All officers, including Officer Aledda, were close enough in proximity to hear Mr. Kinsey’s statements, and one officer even announced over the police radio, ‘It’s a toy truck, he’s saying it’s a toy truck,’” the complaint reads.”​

More...

 

[scmom]

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...-Charges-in-Therapist-Shooting-389233262.html

According to the memo, Hollant said he was present before the shooting took place but had returned to his police car over a block away to retrieve some binoculars when he heard the gunshots fired by Aledda.

 

[i.b.nora]

Thanks to the article scmom linked to above, it seems to me that the entire North Miami Police Department is severely lacking in Communication Skills 101. Not to mention all their other deficiences.

Memo from the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office Public Corruption Unit:

http://media.nbcnewyork.com/documents/20160804135942339.pdf

 

[ZooSleuth]

Thanks to the article scmom linked to above, it seems to me that the entire North Miami Police Department is severely lacking in Communication Skills 101. Not to mention all their other deficiences.

Memo from the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office Public Corruption Unit:

http://media.nbcnewyork.com/documents/20160804135942339.pdf

Agreed on the poor communication.

And so far the only officer to get in trouble for this incident is the one who actually made a smart decision IMO (getting the binoculars to find out what the man was actually holding). His lost wages should be repaid from the wages of these inept investigators.

Do we know yet if the cop that cuffed Kinsey was the same one that shot him?

 

[i.b.nora]

Petty theft called 'one blemish' in application of North Miami officer involved in shooting
Psychological review cites 'lack of tolerance' as 'one mild deficit'
Local10 News ABC
By Paradise Afshar - Digital Editor
Posted: 10:26 AM, August 04, 2016

http://www.local10.com/news/petty-t...n-of-north-miami-officer-involved-in-shooting

“NORTH MIAMI, Fla. - There was "one blemish" and "one mild deficit" in Officer Jonathon Aledda’s 2012 application paperwork with the North Miami Police Department.

That's what the department called it in a conditional offer of employment document.

The "blemish" was that Aledda was arrested in July 2007 on a petty theft charge after he took sports cards valued at $158 from Target, the document said. Aledda attended a court-appointed course, paid a fine and had his records sealed and expunged.

By the time Aledda applied to North Miami in the spring of 2012, he had submitted 17 applications to various agencies around the country. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office said the "one blemish" was enough not to hire Aledda, the document said.

A psychological review by North Miami police cited "one mild deficit," which was a "lack of tolerance: possible characteristics include judgmental; argumentative; critical; challenging; confrontational; rigid; stubborn."”​

Much more... It's a convoluted article.

Also, the 'expunged' record reminds me of George Zimmerman, because if I recall correctly, in his case there was an expunged record.