GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #2

[Donjeta]

Something to the effect of "Until you carry a baby and they're murdered, you can't judge me."

I am very sorry that her baby was murdered but the things she faces criticism for, all the stuff that went on at Dollar General and Walmart, the part where she put her kids in a van with a stranger, let a creepy man take her eight year old daughter to the dressing rooms twice, let her daughter go to McDonalds with a child molester - Cherish wasn't murdered yet so that is not any kind of an excuse for those actions.

Just because the outcome is bad doesn't mean that the bad decisions helping to lead up to the bad outcome are beyond criticism imo. We don't think, say, that only the people who have been injured in a car crash can judge a drunk driver.

 

[Strangeworld]

I can't help but notice the escalation of the attempts DS made to get access to children. The more recent attempts (and poor Cherish's murder) show a much more calculated and planned approach, requiring patience and persistence. He escalated from just trying to grab children off the street, to concocting elaborate schemes to lure children, by manipulating the children's caregivers (shocking).

What I'm wondering is did he come up with these plans himself, or seek 'inspiration' from a pedophile network? Whilst I don't believe I would have trusted his schemes for a second, he clearly knew how to target those who would. This takes some level of cognitive ability, insight, and the ability to control his urges and stay patient.

I guess on one hand he could have just adapted - the simple, quick dash approach wasn't working so he upped his game. OR did he research - like online pedophile websites - and get inspiration from other vile people? I have seen police interviews in the past where they noted how pedophiles would compare notes, share tips, etc. Horrible thought, but I hope LE look into this. Wouldn't it be great if they could uncover some other rock spiders in this investigation.

 

[Strangeworld]

And how about that stroller? Is it just me, or does that suggest Rayne was intending to get a lift back to the original store (sorry, can't remember the name!) or maybe home? Why wouldn't she just take the stroller with her, especially if she felt unsafe or unsure about him.

I wonder what the value of the stroller is - surely she would not have risked losing the stroller if things turned bad at Walmart, and she wanted to leave his company. Something is really not adding up here. And I agree with other posters that their incessant pleas to not judge them, and to keep giving interviews is just inappropriate and disrespectful to the memory of Cherish.

EDIT: I just noticed this:

Police described the stroller as striped or plaid with two seats, front and back, and an older model in disrepair.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/funera...mily/-/475880/20725544/-/5wsa56z/-/index.html

So it was in disrepair, but still, if they are that broke, replacing a stroller would be a big deal. Why leave it in his car?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Every time I've seen this photo:

I've thought: "She reminds me of someone." I finally figured it out. She reminds me of Punky Brewster (Soleil Moon Frye):

Which means she would have grown up to look somewhat like the photo on the right. What a beautiful child. What a huge huge tragedy...and travesty...that she won't grow up to fulfill her beautiful potential.

 

[Donjeta]

And how about that stroller? Is it just me, or does that suggest Rayne was intending to get a lift back to the original store (sorry, can't remember the name!) or maybe home? Why wouldn't she just take the stroller with her, especially if she felt unsafe or unsure about him.

I wonder what the value of the stroller is - surely she would not have risked losing the stroller if things turned bad at Walmart, and she wanted to leave his company. Something is really not adding up here. And I agree with other posters that their incessant pleas to not judge them, and to keep giving interviews is just inappropriate and disrespectful to the memory of Cherish.

I don't think the stroller was worth much money (IIRC the police described it as beat up in the presser).

I presume that she didn't want to deal with a shopping cart and a stroller at the same time as it gets clumsy and the creepy old man, also known as Donald promised her and the children a ride home when they were done.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

And how about that stroller? Is it just me, or does that suggest Rayne was intending to get a lift back to the original store (sorry, can't remember the name!) or maybe home? Why wouldn't she just take the stroller with her, especially if she felt unsafe or unsure about him.

I wonder what the value of the stroller is - surely she would not have risked losing the stroller if things turned bad at Walmart, and she wanted to leave his company. Something is really not adding up here. And I agree with other posters that their incessant pleas to not judge them, and to keep giving interviews is just inappropriate and disrespectful to the memory of Cherish.

EDIT: I just noticed this:

Police described the stroller as striped or plaid with two seats, front and back, and an older model in disrepair.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/funera...mily/-/475880/20725544/-/5wsa56z/-/index.html

So it was in disrepair, but still, if they are that broke, replacing a stroller would be a big deal. Why leave it in his car?

Good catch, and good question, methinks!

 

[Ausgirl]

Yes! Punky Brewster! I knew she reminded me of someone.. couldn't put my finger on it.

I noticed the escalation, too, SW. Bolder all the time.. and yup, I would not be surprised if he'd gotten advice from some NAMBLA-esque pedo pit. Couple years ago I recall trolling round the pedo sites looking for a particular creep, and finding a 'how to groom parents' article with hints on how to make abduction go easier.

Talk about vom in my shoes. The article vanished just hours later... but there's plenty available for creeps to browse, if they know/learn where to look.

I just hope all the victims he's put his filthy pedo hands on over the past 40+ years get to see him FRY in a CHAIR for what he's done. Fingers crossed.

 

[necco]

The stroller. Hmmm.

Maybe THAT'S how the perp convinced Cherish to go out to the van so easily.

"Want to be a good big sister and help your mom by getting the stroller for her so she'll have it for your tired little sisters?" Or something like that?


(I know this is petty, but what on earth is up with the spelling of the names? I've seen 3 or 4 spellings of mom's first name, 3 or 4 spellings of the last name, the boyfriend's name is spelled oddly... what's up with that?)

 

[MadamReporter]

Yes! Punky Brewster! I knew she reminded me of someone.. couldn't put my finger on it.

I noticed the escalation, too, SW. Bolder all the time.. and yup, I would not be surprised if he'd gotten advice from some NAMBLA-esque pedo pit. Couple years ago I recall trolling round the pedo sites looking for a particular creep, and finding a 'how to groom parents' article with hints on how to make abduction go easier.

Talk about vom in my shoes. The article vanished just hours later... but there's plenty available for creeps to browse, if they know/learn where to look.

I just hope all the victims he's put his filthy pedo hands on over the past 40+ years get to see him FRY in a CHAIR for what he's done. Fingers crossed.

They don't FRY people anymore in Florida.

 

[Ausgirl]

WELL I can still WISH they would.

 

[Ausgirl]

Some msm snippets:

Psychologist discusses the minds of sexual predators:
http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...ality-of-a-sexual/TI3CqJ-eSk2r4iFEKedqRg.cspx

26 other sex offenders in Duval county "missing":
http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...rs-who-are-hiding/Ti3YrPAZDUuTRglME9th9g.cspx

Support pours in for Cherish's family:
http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...eceives-donations/qoaMZdsma0Ce2IrRK96iFA.cspx

 

[Donjeta]

Some msm snippets:



26 other sex offenders in Duval county "missing":
http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...rs-who-are-hiding/Ti3YrPAZDUuTRglME9th9g.cspx
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There should be a more urgent effort to try to find them.

Although this RSO not being missing didn't help Cherish at all.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/24/justice/florida-girl-killed

Smith is a registered sex offender who was released from custody less than a month ago, Williams said. Authorities from the sheriff's office had just made contact with him to verify his address on Friday morning.

I wonder if he cared about getting caught at all. Maybe it was intended to be his last big show-down? It seems like spending three hours under the surveillance cameras grooming the victim and giving the family a ride in your van and introducing yourself using your real first name would be a pretty surefire way of getting caught, knowing that the police knows you and they know where you live, probably what you drive too.

 

[1&2&3]

This mother did everything in her power to aid and abate this pervert to her daughter Cherish! Letting him go into a dressing room with her twice is the icing on the cake as I see it! The only piece missing is raping the child in WM, and we don't know about that - doubt that happened!

So how is this mother not being charged with something?? She was not protecting Cherish at all, and there were two other little girls watching. Maybe they were in training? An awful thought! If a mother is letting this creepy old man take these advantages with her daughter in public, what goes on behind shut doors?! IMO Take these children away from this woman!!! She is the reason and the cause of Cherish's death - she did not protect her. Stranger danger went out the window when Mom got in the car with him. There is more to come in this story and we will be screaming from the roof tops when the rest of the story comes out. But get those other two babies out of that home until this case is solved! Mom and step-dad are in the news to keep LE out of the "inside" story of two parents, non- working, and 3 children. No parenting skills would be at the top of the list! All my opinion!

 

[Ausgirl]

Whatever the inevitably wide range of opinions on the family getting so much emotional and financial aid coming at them, I feel moved to comment on how kind and generous people can be.

In all the horrors I see while sleuthing for various cases new and old, it's a real warm ray of sunshine to see people reach out and offer kindness like that.

Restores my faith in humanity, a little.

 

[crazyover88]

Just caught up and haven't been here or read any cases in a few years..HaLeigh Cummings case drove me nuts and I vowed to never read another one and yet here I am.. It's Hard not to read when it hits this close to home..I also live in Jacksonville on the North side and was in this very WM on Wednesday evening before that dreadful Friday night..I have shopped at this WM years ago as much as twice a week however on that Wednesday evening it was a weary/freaky/creepy kinda feeling to be in there...Of course I only mentioned this feeling I had to my Boyfriend and then I just said it felt weird like a ghost town or something...I didn't put my finger on the weary/freaky/creepy kinda feeling until I seen another poster here say that she felt that WM was creepy or whatever was said..Sorry i don't remember the exact quote..

I was out Yard saleing and rode by this WM on the following Saturday morning at 7Am as I was checking the weather on the local station news4jax I seen the report about Cherish..However seeing the empty WM parking lot you would never have known anything had taken place there..Not a police car in sight..I guess they had moved to the command center by that time...

As I read this story out loud shaking my head the whole time I was in disbelief..After I finished reading the article I looked at my Boyfriend who was driving and I said "Something is way wrong with this story". I was right the more that comes out the worse it gets..I agree with many here and I will refrain from saying much more...

The HaLeigh Cummings case got ugly very quick here at WS..Oh Gosh what a mess that was/is...Somehow this case reminds me of that case only difference is Cherish was found and HaLeigh has not been found..It seems to be the same cast of characters though IMO.. I will say that much..

Just wanted to mention because some had questions if it was RP in the DG video pushing the stroller.. In this video it shows her standing at the front entrance of WM in the same Black dress also with the same hair color..

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/2510838659001/1/JSO-reveals-new-evidence-in-Perrywinkle-case


Another thing I wanted to mention I seen there was some confusion awhile ago about the distance to the WM from DG per Mapquest it is 5.58 miles..Give or take about an 11 minute drive according to traffic..

One last thing I have seen reports of the BF saying he asked a neighbor to take him to WM because he was worried and then I have seen reports where he says he wanted to check on the investigation/scene (again i don't remember the exact quote) both said around 1 am...Not sure which is the truth..

In one of those timelines posted it shows the JSO checking Cherish's residence around 12:57am or something like that..I'm Just wondering if they are infact the ones who notified him of what was going on? I'm sorry I don't have links but all of this has been posted here with links up thread/Back thread it is late/early and I need sleep not gonna dig for them..lol..

Just another inconsistency in the story IMO..

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if he cared about getting caught at all. Maybe it was intended to be his last big show-down? It seems like spending three hours under the surveillance cameras grooming the victim and giving the family a ride in your van and introducing yourself using your real first name would be a pretty surefire way of getting caught, knowing that the police knows you and they know where you live, probably what you drive too.

RSBM

Well, he’s not talking, but I can almost hear his BS story to his attorney already …

“I spent a lot of time with her, I admit I thought about assaulting her, but I’m trying really hard at reform so I decided to drop her off by the side of the road before I did anything wrong, someone else must have stopped/picked her up right away. Would I do anything so stupid when I’m on CCTV everywhere with her? I didn’t kidnap her. Her mother said she could go with me.”

Let’s hope forensics can back up what we know to be true.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Something to the effect of "Until you carry a baby and they're murdered, you can't judge me."

I would say that anyone who has carried a baby can judge her ..... because any normal person who has carried a child, loves that child unconditionally, makes it their sole aim in life to protect that child and keep them safe from harm, and I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, normal mothers would give their life for that child.

So, I have no problem judging her ..... not for being poor, or her past career or anything like that. I judge her for putting her children into a stranger's car, I judge her for letting a man she doesn't know take her little girl into a changing room, I judge her for even being in WM with a strange man at 11pm at night when her little children should be home in bed. I also blame her for prioritizing her desire for a few pieces of cheap clothing over the need to know where her daughter was at all times.

In short, anyone who has carried a child has every right to judge her behaviour and actions that night.

 

[Donjeta]

I suppose she meant that it is not fair to harp on her since she is already suffering so much and why add on her grief as you can have no idea how it feels to have a murdered child but the way it came out just sounds like she's saying that unless you too walked in my shoes and failed to protect your children you can't say it's wrong not to even try to do so. (For it certainly appears she wasn't trying too hard.)

 

[nikb]

I would say that anyone who has carried a baby can judge her ..... because any normal person who has carried a child, loves that child unconditionally, makes it their sole aim in life to protect that child and keep them safe from harm, and I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, normal mothers would give their life for that child.

So, I have no problem judging her ..... not for being poor, or her past career or anything like that. I judge her for putting her children into a stranger's car, I judge her for letting a man she doesn't know take her little girl into a changing room, I judge her for even being in WM with a strange man at 11pm at night when her little children should be home in bed. I also blame her for prioritizing her desire for a few pieces of cheap clothing over the need to know where her daughter was at all times.

In short, anyone who has carried a child has every right to judge her behaviour and actions that night.

Wow.. kinda sucks that only those who've carried a child are allowed to think along these lines.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Wow.. kinda sucks that only those who've carried a child are allowed to think along these lines.

You misunderstood me.

I was responding to her statement that "only someone who has carried a baby and had that child murdered could judge her" .... I was just saying that you don't need to have had your baby murdered to be able to judge that her actions were wrong.

Of course any person, man or woman, can think along those lines .... or any lines they wish to think along!