GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #3

[Magdalyn]

Rayne makes me also think of someone who has been so violated and not given proper life skills, that she just stopped maturing mentally/emotionally. Not saying that to cut her down or to build anyone who hates her up. I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet. I realized that here along with the articles and blog posts that nothing I say about my opinion on this case matters. Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed. However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have. The behaviors I have seen in articles from people commenting and also in 'groups' on Facebook set up to be a memorial group for this precious child as well as on specific people's Facebook walls is horrendous.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment. That is scary behavior. Who in here would think that committing these crimes (and yes they are crimes - I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it) by photographing rayne without her knowledge and placing it on the internet for a discussion as to what was said to her (ie. Rayne is a horrible mother). Yes you might feel like doing this but that is some strange behavior. I would NEVER walk up to a stranger after photographing her, scream at her about how horrible she is, then go home and post that picture on the internet and proceed to brag about blindsiding her. That is wrong on so many levels.

Anyone who thinks that is OK has a screw loose. And to clarify, I do not know rayne, although I have contacted the church where they had the service once, the justice coalition three times, and have emailed several people on her friends list. As I have said before, I would never have let my child go and rayne was wrong for that, whether she let cherish go or whether cherish went without rayne knowing.

But I do have a point here. Anyone who turns to drugs or alcohol stunts their emotional/mental growth. I am a recovering alcoholic. Been sober for 23 years now. Started drinking at 15. When I quit at 21, I was about 15 emotionally. Now I am about 35-38 emotionally, because I removed the artificial crap (alcohol) that was keeping me from growing up. If everything stated here, in the comments on articles, and in blogs/articles is true and she is a drug addict, she has basically stopped her emotional growth. Yes a choice she made. But unless you are an addict or an alcoholic you do not undstand that sometimes (all the time) that choice was a chouce the first time you drink or use, but not afterwards. It is a disease of mind, body, and spirit. So to say, oh she is an addict, it should be understood that this is a disease! And i can give links for that as well.

Now I am stepping off my soapbox, and will read and maybe chime in with answers to questions about locations/locales etc as I am fairly close to j-ville. If the screenshots/links/etc can be posted I am sure I will be told. If i put too much in here and broke a rule then this will get snipped. If it does get snipped, I really hope that the message of how scary some of the behaviors happening by complete strangers is to rayne. When I called the justice coalition and the church, I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child. And lucky me, I got to do it three times. I am so very grateful the internet was not around when I lost my children (and I was never charged with anything because it was an accident) because there would have been people out there just like the ones in this case who are busy pointing fingers and being vicious. There are people on here who changed their signature file o call me out on the fact that when i type on my tablet, even though I do hit all the keys, sometimes some are missed. Does that make you feel good? Feel superior? I am sure this will get snipped or removed, because in watching the threads about cherish and the famiy dynamics, I am noticing that the vitriol towards rayne and the removal of comments about her is very few and far between. I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

I agree that RP is very mentally, emotionally/maturity stunted. She has proven time and again, she is not 'mature' enough to be responsible for children. Her first 'grown up' step should be, IMO, to stop fighting for children she is currently fiscally, mentally and emotionally NOT equipped to care for. According to CPS, she can't even follow the judges rules and/or be 'nice' to her children in two hour increments three times a week.

From your post you have said:

However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have.

but then...

I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child.

I don't think it is safe to presume A) No one posting here has ever lost a child.
B)That all people who lose a child feel the same (Casey Anthony?)

I also think it is bizarre/wrong to stalk and harass the parent of a victim. Going further, I can additionally say I have also not contacted the church where they had the service once, not called the justice coalition three times, nor have I emailed several people on her friends list.

I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it

Really? So did they explain why she had a journalist at her house every day for a week in the week following Cherish's death? And why she was giving on camera interviews to several news stations last week flashing a piece of paper saying "This is the proof I've been waiting for!"

I think if I lost my children, to death, CPS, or a combination of the two, surfing the internet looking for what nasty things people are or aren't saying about me would be highly self absorbed, self-centric behavior. I would think primary issues in the months after these things happened, my concerns would be: mourning, therapy, employment seeking, housing issue arrangements, and paying attention to my surviving children when I have visitation with them...

Personally, my extreme fear for the lives of the two surviving children (which has been validated by CPS-the children are in not safe with her), surpass any amount of compassion I could muster up for RP. I don't wish death on her. I do wish she would admit that at 45 years old, and after having 20 plus years to attempt to raise children, she would please let someone else give it a go, and focus her self on getting herself mentally well (she's BPD, I believe, and bi-polar), clean and sober (if she's an addict), employed, self sufficient, and off public assistance before she reaches retirement age. I also believe she should do the exact same amount of jail time that any other person would get for child neglect that results in the death of a child. The law is the law.

As you have said:

Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed.

I agree, my opinion has not really been swayed and likely won't be. And that's okay, my opinion is valid, it's formed by my life experiences, as your opinion is formed by yours. But this is a two way street. I don't believe your opinion been swayed either, has it?

Respectfully, I find interesting/unique that your posts have been almost 100% RP defense centric. You speak of compassion. I haven't heard you speak to compassion for the two littlest victims. They were also extremely endangered the same night Cherish was murdered. They have been forced to live in poverty, their mother has uncontrolled mental health episodes, has threatened to harm herself twice, has thrown dishes at people in the household. They have been forced to live with someone who accepts rides from men who give her the creeps, and allows strange men to escort them to changing rooms. They have been forced to listen to their mother discuss their sister's murder when she has been expressly been forbidden to do so. They have likely looked forward to seeing this woman, and were ignored, or spoken shortly to by RP.

I'm personally reserving my compassion for the children. They are the only truly innocent victims here. They didn't ask to be born, have no right or wrong choices to make in life, they must live at RP's whim. They are completely dependent on 'grown-ups' to look out for them. Rayne is not equipped to do this. She wasn't when she was twenty. Or thirty. Or forty. How many more of her children must die? When will Rayne 'get it'? Fifty? Will the girls still be alive then?

 

[Magdalyn]

I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it

June 29th-Editor’s Note: Times-Union reporter Andrew Pantazi spent time with Rayne Perrywinkle each day last week to chronicle how she was coping with the slaying of her 8-year-old daughter, Cherish.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/2013-0...-old-cherish-perrywinkles-death#ixzz2cx3qlQlM

http://jacksonville.com/news/2013-0...k-after-8-year-old-cherish-perrywinkles-death

July 1st-
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...t-daughter-Cherish-Perrywinkles-disappearance

August 6th:

http://www.news4jax.com/Rayne-Perrywinkle-s-first-interview/-/475982/21362492/-/uttel/-/index.html

Last week:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/2591872913001/1/Rayne-Perrywinkle-speaks

 

[MsFacetious]

I honestly think this is the FIRST time I've seen that happen.
Anyone else remember a case where the grieving mother had reporters there for a week?

June 29th-Editor’s Note: Times-Union reporter Andrew Pantazi spent time with Rayne Perrywinkle each day last week to chronicle how she was coping with the slaying of her 8-year-old daughter, Cherish.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/2013-0...-old-cherish-perrywinkles-death#ixzz2cx3qlQlM

http://jacksonville.com/news/2013-0...k-after-8-year-old-cherish-perrywinkles-death

July 1st-
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...t-daughter-Cherish-Perrywinkles-disappearance

August 6th:

http://www.news4jax.com/Rayne-Perrywinkle-s-first-interview/-/475982/21362492/-/uttel/-/index.html

Last week:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/2591872913001/1/Rayne-Perrywinkle-speaks

 

[Donjeta]

Rayne makes me also think of someone who has been so violated and not given proper life skills, that she just stopped maturing mentally/emotionally. Not saying that to cut her down or to build anyone who hates her up. I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet. I realized that here along with the articles and blog posts that nothing I say about my opinion on this case matters. Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed. However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have. The behaviors I have seen in articles from people commenting and also in 'groups' on Facebook set up to be a memorial group for this precious child as well as on specific people's Facebook walls is horrendous.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment. That is scary behavior. Who in here would think that committing these crimes (and yes they are crimes - I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it) by photographing rayne without her knowledge and placing it on the internet for a discussion as to what was said to her (ie. Rayne is a horrible mother). Yes you might feel like doing this but that is some strange behavior. I would NEVER walk up to a stranger after photographing her, scream at her about how horrible she is, then go home and post that picture on the internet and proceed to brag about blindsiding her. That is wrong on so many levels.

Anyone who thinks that is OK has a screw loose.

is there actually someone posting in this thread who has said that they think this sort of behavior is OK or that they would do it? You sorta make it sound like we all do and that you are trying to convince us otherwise, in vain, but I don't think it's true.

And to clarify, I do not know rayne, although I have contacted the church where they had the service once, the justice coalition three times, and have emailed several people on her friends list.

Why?

As I have said before, I would never have let my child go and rayne was wrong for that, whether she let cherish go or whether cherish went without rayne knowing.

Apparently she said she told Cherish to bring her back a cheeseburger.

But I do have a point here. Anyone who turns to drugs or alcohol stunts their emotional/mental growth. I am a recovering alcoholic. Been sober for 23 years now. Started drinking at 15. When I quit at 21, I was about 15 emotionally. Now I am about 35-38 emotionally, because I removed the artificial crap (alcohol) that was keeping me from growing up. If everything stated here, in the comments on articles, and in blogs/articles is true and she is a drug addict, she has basically stopped her emotional growth. Yes a choice she made. But unless you are an addict or an alcoholic you do not undstand that sometimes (all the time) that choice was a chouce the first time you drink or use, but not afterwards. It is a disease of mind, body, and spirit. So to say, oh she is an addict, it should be understood that this is a disease! And i can give links for that as well.

Disease or not, if someone is mentally and emotionally stunted to the degree that they cannot make the choice to take proper responsibility for their children, then they as a rule tend to be bad parents and should not be parenting until they get their head sorted out. I don't think it's wrong or judgmental to say that. Just the unpleasant truth.

There are actually many addicts who have made the choice to stop using. You say you're recovering yourself so you should know that there *is* a choice not to use even after you started. Not easy but there is help available. Worth it for the children.

Now I am stepping off my soapbox, and will read and maybe chime in with answers to questions about locations/locales etc as I am fairly close to j-ville. If the screenshots/links/etc can be posted I am sure I will be told. If i put too much in here and broke a rule then this will get snipped. If it does get snipped, I really hope that the message of how scary some of the behaviors happening by complete strangers is to rayne. When I called the justice coalition and the church, I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child. And lucky me, I got to do it three times. I am so very grateful the internet was not around when I lost my children (and I was never charged with anything because it was an accident) because there would have been people out there just like the ones in this case who are busy pointing fingers and being vicious. There are people on here who changed their signature file o call me out on the fact that when i type on my tablet, even though I do hit all the keys, sometimes some are missed. Does that make you feel good? Feel superior? I am sure this will get snipped or removed, because in watching the threads about cherish and the famiy dynamics, I am noticing that the vitriol towards rayne and the removal of comments about her is very few and far between. I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

Hope you feel better getting that off your chest. I must have missed that because I usually fast forward past siggie lines without reading but I generally do not agree with calling posters out in them. You should complain to a mod if you think someone's siggie is inappropriate.

Personally I think the pertinent dilemma here is that if we have so much compassion for parents who lost ther children that we overlook and forgive and are otherwise non-judgmental of blatant child neglicence because, hey, she's sorry now, then we may end up showing no compassion for the children who have suffered or will suffer the most in the future because of it.
THe first priority is to protect the children and sometimes you just can't do that saying 'yeah, well, they made a mistake but they have had a hard life and are sorry now so yeah, never mind...' In those cases the courts need to intervene before more children can be further failed.

 

[Magdalyn]

I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet.

I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

Respectfully snipped for space and focus:

I feel compelled to add that the 'hatred' and 'vitriol' you see here on websleuths, is hatred and vitriol for criminally bad parenting. I think there are some 'emotionally stunted' teen mothers who would take extreme offense to any implication that they would do what Rayne did. Most teen mothers would not hand their baby off to a strange man for the promise of a shopping spree. The negligent actions RP committed that night, IMO, are worthy of vitriol. Whether she ends up being charged or not, IMO, she was criminally negligent and criminally selfish. And now she is criminally unaware she did anything wrong.

Rayne can not become a responsible parent unless and until she acknowledges that she has a share of the responsibility for what happened to Cherish that night. She has never said, "I should never had put my kids in danger that way" or "If I had that night to do over again, I would have never have put my kids in his van" or, "I'm ashamed I let a strange man take my daughter to a fitting room twice," "I never should have taken my eyes off any of the girls," or "I should have had AP come with me" or "I should have left the girls home with AP"....

She has proclaimed she's an excellent mom, who just wanted pretty clothes for Cherish, proclaimed a judge said she's an excellent mom, Cherish herself wanted that cheeseburger (blame the victim), Cherish KNOWS not to go with a stranger anywhere (blame the victim), that she's smart, but Donald Smith was Super Sneaky Smarter and Gosh Darn It, if those terrible laws were better, Cherish would be alive and un-raped today (and I could once again safely get in vans with strangers and send strangers to fitting rooms with my girls?)

I, and many other posters, currently find it impossible to find any compassion for a birth mother who has chronically subjected her innocent children to a lifetime of CPS visits, domestic violence, mental instability, neglect and endangerment. I can not feel compassion for a parent, who six weeks after her daughter was raped and murdered, refuses to acknowledge her own culpability in what happened to Cherish. If she can't see what she did wrong with Cherish, and admit it, then she doesn't understand, and can not ever be responsible for human life again.

I haven't seen any indication Rayne feels bad for endangering/neglecting Cherish. I have seen repeated examples in the media from Rayne herself, that she feels bad that everyone is blaming her and being mean to her and that somehow this is all Billy's fault for not coming back to the homeless shelter. That's it. Railing and screaming and collapsing in the front yard, at the church, in a child custody hearing, does not prove how she really feels about anything.

I also understand addict behavior. But I have witnessed first-hand addict parents do the right thing and A) see the light and clean up their act on the first CPS involvement, because they get that children always must come first and are victims. I've also seen B) parents voluntarily give up parental rights because meth was their universe. As much inner disdain as I held for these people who could bring innocent baby after innocent baby into this horrible drug addicted situation, I still hold a modicum of respect for them because they peaceably admitted that the children were not ever going to be safe with them. They stopped being selfish long enough to agree to put their kids somewhere better for the long haul.

I'm still not clear on how it can be assumed ANYONE (including mothers who have lost children) knows how Rayne feels and can imply all mothers who lose children to death in part, by their own negligent parenting, deserve compassion from all.

Unless a person also has:

Rayne's mental health diagnosis of borderline personality disorder

A twenty plus year history of child abandonment and 8 year chronic history with CPS

A lack of REAL concern for putting their children in a stranger's seatless van

A lack of concern for sending a strange man to a room where her daughter will undress...twice

A lack of concern for sending the strange man to the front of the store, near the entrance/exit

A six week lack of awareness that she did anything at all wrong that night (admitting she was 'tricked' is not admitting responsibility for endangerment)

A lack of concern that CPS knows she is being short with/ignoring her children in supervised visits, and breaking rules regarding the same....

A keen interest in inviting journalist into the home, and an interest in speaking to news stations, on camera, to yell about bad laws and baby daddies who never came back.

Unless one can say they have done ALL of those things Rayne has done, over the last twenty years, and in the last six weeks, they can not truly say they 'know how Rayne feels'. I'm not sure a psychiatrist could assure you they know how Rayne feels or that any two human beings on the earth feel the same way about anything.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment.

You could check the forum rules, or privately message a mod to ask, but I believe the topics allowed on the thread are to be directly related to Cherish's murder, her murderer, and the facts that surround the case directly. This would include what has been brought up by main stream media, within the articles. (not in the comment sections, that's 'rumor'.) As the facts have come forward about RP's past involvement with CPS, and current involvement with CPS, and the fact that this all happened on 'RP's parental supervision'---these things IMO< are related to the events surrounding Cherish's abduction, rape and murder, so are 'discussable'.

Sleuthing, ratting out, posting 'proof' of non-player's stalker-like behavior would, IMO, not be allowed on this thread.

Additionally, I don't really think it's advised to take it upon ourselves to reach out to involved churches, involved justice coalitions, and facebook friends of the victim's mother.

Here's a link to the rules if you haven't read them already. The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[cocomod]

I honestly think this is the FIRST time I've seen that happen.
Anyone else remember a case where the grieving mother had reporters there for a week?

Billy Dunn had reporters at her house a lot. Not exactly the same circumstances, but another case where I felt the mother exhibited strange behavior.

 

[MadamReporter]

Rayne makes me also think of someone who has been so violated and not given proper life skills, that she just stopped maturing mentally/emotionally. Not saying that to cut her down or to build anyone who hates her up. I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet. I realized that here along with the articles and blog posts that nothing I say about my opinion on this case matters. Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed. However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have. The behaviors I have seen in articles from people commenting and also in 'groups' on Facebook set up to be a memorial group for this precious child as well as on specific people's Facebook walls is horrendous.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment. That is scary behavior. Who in here would think that committing these crimes (and yes they are crimes - I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it) by photographing rayne without her knowledge and placing it on the internet for a discussion as to what was said to her (ie. Rayne is a horrible mother). Yes you might feel like doing this but that is some strange behavior. I would NEVER walk up to a stranger after photographing her, scream at her about how horrible she is, then go home and post that picture on the internet and proceed to brag about blindsiding her. That is wrong on so many levels.

Anyone who thinks that is OK has a screw loose. And to clarify, I do not know rayne, although I have contacted the church where they had the service once, the justice coalition three times, and have emailed several people on her friends list. As I have said before, I would never have let my child go and rayne was wrong for that, whether she let cherish go or whether cherish went without rayne knowing.

But I do have a point here. Anyone who turns to drugs or alcohol stunts their emotional/mental growth. I am a recovering alcoholic. Been sober for 23 years now. Started drinking at 15. When I quit at 21, I was about 15 emotionally. Now I am about 35-38 emotionally, because I removed the artificial crap (alcohol) that was keeping me from growing up. If everything stated here, in the comments on articles, and in blogs/articles is true and she is a drug addict, she has basically stopped her emotional growth. Yes a choice she made. But unless you are an addict or an alcoholic you do not undstand that sometimes (all the time) that choice was a chouce the first time you drink or use, but not afterwards. It is a disease of mind, body, and spirit. So to say, oh she is an addict, it should be understood that this is a disease! And i can give links for that as well.

Now I am stepping off my soapbox, and will read and maybe chime in with answers to questions about locations/locales etc as I am fairly close to j-ville. If the screenshots/links/etc can be posted I am sure I will be told. If i put too much in here and broke a rule then this will get snipped. If it does get snipped, I really hope that the message of how scary some of the behaviors happening by complete strangers is to rayne. When I called the justice coalition and the church, I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child. And lucky me, I got to do it three times. I am so very grateful the internet was not around when I lost my children (and I was never charged with anything because it was an accident) because there would have been people out there just like the ones in this case who are busy pointing fingers and being vicious. There are people on here who changed their signature file o call me out on the fact that when i type on my tablet, even though I do hit all the keys, sometimes some are missed. Does that make you feel good? Feel superior? I am sure this will get snipped or removed, because in watching the threads about cherish and the famiy dynamics, I am noticing that the vitriol towards rayne and the removal of comments about her is very few and far between. I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

I think as we read stories like Cherish's initially we are hesitant to place the blame on the mother because it is inconceivable to some of us that a mother, of all people, would intentionally put their child in harm's way or worse. Rayne has done herself no favors with the bizzare and self-serving behavior she has displayed since her daughter's murder. I think her own words and actions have turned the public against her. The very first time we hear Rayne's voice or see her after her daughter's murder is at a vigil in her daughter's memory where she is LITERALLY screaming very theatrically at mourners that no one is allowed to judge her. Then her banning Cherish's father from the funeral for NO reason and being quoted as saying if he does show up she (Rayne) will make a scene. Countless quotes in the media blaming Cherish herself for her own demise. The numerous DCF reports from prior to Cherish's murder that recount Rayne on more than one occassion being 3+ hours late to pick up Cherish from school and her excuse being that she simply forgot. Meanwhile, Rayne wasn't employed then or ever, so she wasn't held up at work.

I go back to Reve Walsh (Adam Walsh's mother) who told the story of his disappearance exactly as it happened, even shouldering the responsibility of giving him permission to go to another aisle and be out of her sight. When she was questioned by LE about Adam's disappearance she even admitted to an extramarital affair she had had that her husband was never aware of. She did this because the only thing that mattered was finding her son. In all the years since Adam's murder I have NEVER read one cross word about Reve. She is a victim. Now juxtapose her actions with those of Rayne who spells her own missing daughter's name wrong on the police report and changes her name to "Ms. Rayne" less than one minute into her 911 call.

Please bear in mind that the opinions that everyone has made regarding Rayne, good or bad, have been based on Rayne's own words and actions. We have not been spoon-fed half a story by a prosecutor or read damning evidence in an indictment. We have read and watched and scratched our heads and come to our own conclusions.

Every jury charge given by a judge includes the instruction that we bring our life experience with us and use that to come to a conclusion. When we see all of this peculiar behavior and compare it to our own life experiences in dealing with children and the care thereof and we see that her actions are not only not normal, they are the exact opposite of what a protective mother does, people are going to scrutinize and question what else she has done, and Rayne continues to give us plenty to work with.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Rayne makes me also think of someone who has been so violated and not given proper life skills, that she just stopped maturing mentally/emotionally. Not saying that to cut her down or to build anyone who hates her up. I have stayed away from this thread because of some of the hatred spewed towards her on here as well as across the internet. I realized that here along with the articles and blog posts that nothing I say about my opinion on this case matters. Those who have formed their own opinion, will not be swayed. However I do think it is pretty scary when you have people who have absolutely no idea on what emotions a mother (even a mother who has emotional issues) would have. The behaviors I have seen in articles from people commenting and also in 'groups' on Facebook set up to be a memorial group for this precious child as well as on specific people's Facebook walls is horrendous.

As I am still a fairly new member here, I do not know what is allowed and what is not allowed. I can provide links to where a stranger to rayne engages in stalking and harassment. That is scary behavior. Who in here would think that committing these crimes (and yes they are crimes - I know by speaking to justice coalition that rayne does now want publicity, she has avoided it) by photographing rayne without her knowledge and placing it on the internet for a discussion as to what was said to her (ie. Rayne is a horrible mother). Yes you might feel like doing this but that is some strange behavior. I would NEVER walk up to a stranger after photographing her, scream at her about how horrible she is, then go home and post that picture on the internet and proceed to brag about blindsiding her. That is wrong on so many levels.

Anyone who thinks that is OK has a screw loose. And to clarify, I do not know rayne, although I have contacted the church where they had the service once, the justice coalition three times, and have emailed several people on her friends list. As I have said before, I would never have let my child go and rayne was wrong for that, whether she let cherish go or whether cherish went without rayne knowing.

But I do have a point here. Anyone who turns to drugs or alcohol stunts their emotional/mental growth. I am a recovering alcoholic. Been sober for 23 years now. Started drinking at 15. When I quit at 21, I was about 15 emotionally. Now I am about 35-38 emotionally, because I removed the artificial crap (alcohol) that was keeping me from growing up. If everything stated here, in the comments on articles, and in blogs/articles is true and she is a drug addict, she has basically stopped her emotional growth. Yes a choice she made. But unless you are an addict or an alcoholic you do not undstand that sometimes (all the time) that choice was a chouce the first time you drink or use, but not afterwards. It is a disease of mind, body, and spirit. So to say, oh she is an addict, it should be understood that this is a disease! And i can give links for that as well.

Now I am stepping off my soapbox, and will read and maybe chime in with answers to questions about locations/locales etc as I am fairly close to j-ville. If the screenshots/links/etc can be posted I am sure I will be told. If i put too much in here and broke a rule then this will get snipped. If it does get snipped, I really hope that the message of how scary some of the behaviors happening by complete strangers is to rayne. When I called the justice coalition and the church, I told them I know how rayne feels. Not because I did what she did, but because the feeling any person has when faced with burying your child. And lucky me, I got to do it three times. I am so very grateful the internet was not around when I lost my children (and I was never charged with anything because it was an accident) because there would have been people out there just like the ones in this case who are busy pointing fingers and being vicious. There are people on here who changed their signature file o call me out on the fact that when i type on my tablet, even though I do hit all the keys, sometimes some are missed. Does that make you feel good? Feel superior? I am sure this will get snipped or removed, because in watching the threads about cherish and the famiy dynamics, I am noticing that the vitriol towards rayne and the removal of comments about her is very few and far between. I truly hope this can stay so people can look at this and say hey maybe that was weird. Or maybe I need to not be so judgmental. Or maybe I need to learn a little compassion. Or maybe it will get snipped. I feel better for having expressed my opinion. I think I really needed to do that.

I really appreciate your post but to say that you and I disagree on so many thought processes would be an understatement.
Nonetheless, thank you for sharing your concepts.

 

[Flossie JMO]

We see this happen on a daily basis. A monster like DS swoops in and takes the life of a child. We are going through it again over on Adriaunna Horton's thread.

The difference here is that RP put her family in harm's way. Is she a negligent parent? Definitely. Should she be charged with negligence? Yes. Was she loving parent? I think she was. Is she grieving the loss of Cherish? Yes.

In my mind, these points can co-exist.

Good post imo. I hope Rayne and her children are given help to try and cope with their enormous tragic loss of poor Cherish. I will leave it at that. Attacking victims and/or families of victims is not my style. JMO

 

[burbqueen]

RP is not some innocent victim IMO. I've said it since day one that something wasnt right with the whole story. Her children are victims IMO and thats it. Not AP or RP. Cherish's dad is a victim too.

I have not once ounce of compassion for those that are hooked on drugs, yet continue to have children and neglect them. Not one ounce. I can understand what she did, it wasnt right, but I understood from the get go why this egg donor decided to let her sweet daughter alone and take off with that monster. I dont think she really loved her kids. Love is how you treat someone. I will leave it at that.

If she is sick or mentally ill or whatever. Then she should be an adult, get some help for the love of God and let her kids reside with another family and have a happy life. Come back when you are stable and/or sober. She had made poor choice after poor choice and why not start today by making a good one??

Reproducing doesnt make you a parent. Biology doesnt mean you have a bond. Some don't or wont or cant. Just the way it is.

 

[Magdalyn]

His attorney, Assistant Public Defender Fred Gazaleh, announced Smith was waiving his right to a speedy trial.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...smith-waives-right-speedy-trial#ixzz2dwnbRIgE

It also says his next pre-trial hearing is Oct 15th.

 

[Magdalyn]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/public...-laws/-/475880/21771048/-/e3xaeb/-/index.html

This will be a very collaborative process as we look to identify ways that we can improve public safety, so certainly the public is invited to come and to participate, to share your thoughts and ideas as to how we can improve our sexual predator laws,” she said.

The hearing will be held at Jacksonville City Hall downtown from 2 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. If you can’t be there but want to talk to Adkins about it, you can email her.

 

[Magdalyn]

Rayne Perrywinkle was at the hearing of about 50 people and spoke during the public comment period.

She asked why this panel hadn’t been held years ago and why the laws hadn’t already been changed. She said she feels like people blame her for what happened to her daughter, and that she never trusted “that man.”

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-focus-change-aftermath-cherish#ixzz2e2PFNLA6

 

[vasportsmom]

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-focus-change-aftermath-cherish#ixzz2e2PFNLA6

The more she talks the deeper she digs herself in. "I never trusted that man", really? She put her children in a car with "that man." She let "that man" accompany her daughter to the dressing room. She sent her child off to get HER a cheeseburger with "that man"! Either she did trust him OR she didn't give a damn about her child. My $ is on number 2. I am so sick of fail mothers and the "birds of a feather" that defend them. Our children deserve better than that.

 

[Donjeta]

She was certainly right not to trust him but then why were her children in his van and why did she let Cherish out of her sight to go get a cheeseburger with him? People don't blame her for murdering Cherish but for not protecting her.

She's trying to save face and not to appear like a stupid and naive woman who is easily duped by people who are obviously up to no good but the more it gets repeated the more it starts to sound like she thought that the promise of a hundred dollars was worth more than the safety of her children and then it's a whole another struggle to save face.

Perhaps she should stop making statements imo.

 

[Tonya421]

It was a tongue in cheek post. I'm just sick of people that wait until babies are dead to suddenly pop up and remember crap. Nobody should be getting their 15 minutes on the back of a dead child.

:tyou:

The "thanks" button wasn't enough for your post! I'm also sick & tired of hearing neighbors, family members, & friends suddenly popping up on every newscast telling how they saw mom/dad neglecting and/or abusing a child, and sometimes even states that "I was going to call CPS right before I heard (insert childs' name here)"
Everyone has something to say after the fact, they knew abuse was happening, but never a peep out of these people until a child is dead!
I think I'd rather err on the side of caution by calling CPS and have at least my own peace of mind knowing that it's being investigated, rather than sit in my house wondering what could I have done. I know how I am with guilt and have no doubt I'd be eaten alive with it if I knew a child was being abused and kept my trap shut.

 

[nikb]

She was certainly right not to trust him but then why were her children in his van and why did she let Cherish out of her sight to go get a cheeseburger with him? People don't blame her for murdering Cherish but for not protecting her.

She's trying to save face and not to appear like a stupid and naive woman who is easily duped by people who are obviously up to no good but the more it gets repeated the more it starts to sound like she thought that the promise of a hundred dollars was worth more than the safety of her children and then it's a whole another struggle to save face.

Perhaps she should stop making statements imo.

BBM it's not working all that well.

Totally agree with you that she should probably stop making statements. IMO she's either telling the truth and it's awful, or she's trying to spin a story that doesn't make her look so bad and it's also awful.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

She was certainly right not to trust him but then why were her children in his van and why did she let Cherish out of her sight to go get a cheeseburger with him? People don't blame her for murdering Cherish but for not protecting her.

She's trying to save face and not to appear like a stupid and naive woman who is easily duped by people who are obviously up to no good but the more it gets repeated the more it starts to sound like she thought that the promise of a hundred dollars was worth more than the safety of her children and then it's a whole another struggle to save face.

Perhaps she should stop making statements imo.

Personally, I think she was used to "duping" others by taking advantage of their kindness and generosity. She was too stupid to realize the tables could be turned on her. Yes, it can, Momma. You want to play that game, you have to pay. Sadly, she paid by the lives of her kids.
The sword cuts at both ends.

moo

 

[QueenD]

@wjxt4: NEWS ALERT: JSO will be holding a press conference about the internal investigation following the #Cherish murder tonight. We'll be there.

News4jax.com
Is the website. Can't wait to hear what this may be.

 

[QueenD]

Just said on the news it will be at 7:30pm tonight. News4jax.com will be live streaming.