FL - Coralrose Fullwood, 6, found murdered, North Port, 17 Sept 2006

[txsvicki]

And Coral Rose is not the bad guy--- this was about her--- not the family or the murderer--- I hardly think the crowd would have been in danger if in fact the murderer is still in the community--- this was suppose to be about the little girl- :doh:

The crowd at the time might not be in danger but based on some chance that Dale or his wife did not murder Coral Rose, a serial killer could be around that area. Someone did come into the home or lure Coral Rose out if Dale didn't do it. If the above report is true about the break in, then Mrs. Fullwood could very well be in danger in that home. I wouldn't have my children right outside the home where this happened. Coral Rose already had a funeral and the family friend is turning this memorial service into being about the Fullwoods by criticizing LE and the whole community. I imagine that Coral Rose would want support for LE to catch the monster who murdered her and I really do still believe that it is most likely Dale.

 

[reportertype]

I don't think it's right for Webster to say how ashamed she is of the community. The Fullwoods hadn't lived in this new place very long and if their own Jewish community didn't show up, then how on earth can she expect parents with children and all the neighbors to attend when no one is totally sure who the murderer is and many must suspect Dale. To go to the vigil that was planned by a supporter and probably meant for support since she is now criticizing is a good reason not to attend along with fear that a murderer could be running around. Did many go to the site where the body was found and leave flowers and gifts for Coral Rose? That's what I think I would do in a case like this. I also imagine that if Coral Rose had not been found so quickly, many many in the community would have turned out to help search. The community is not the bad guy here and Dale made the choice to download the child . No wonder very few showed up and I think it was very good of someone from LE to attend.

It was also Homecoming night, which is a big deal for many, plus there was some other large fundraiser type event, both of which were scheduled many months in advance.

 

[richandfamous]

Nothing stolen, no forced entry found



Synopsis: Ellen-Beth Fullwood called police Tuesday claiming someone entered her home. Police have called this a suspicious incident.



NORTH PORT -- Police responded to the Fullwoods' Calabash Lane home on Tuesday evening. This time, it was because someone might have broken into the house.

Ellen-Beth Fullwood, mother of 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood, called the North Port Police Department Tuesday evening because she found two doors in the rear of the home unlocked, according to a North Port Police report. Coralrose was reported missing from that home Sept. 17. Her body was later found blocks away.

Police are calling the reported break-in a suspicious incident.

http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/102906/tp5ch11.htm?date=102906&story=tp5ch11.htm

wait a minute...I'm confused, was this break-in before or after Coralrose was killed?

 

[RiverRat]

RichandFamous - The alleged break-in was reported this past Tuesday.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061030/NEWS/610300578

From the outside looking in, they are a family that has broken at the seams.

The events that upended Saul and Doreen VanderWoude's family started when their granddaughter, Coralrose Fullwood, was found dead near her North Port home more than a month ago.

The 6-year-old's death put the family in the spotlight, but revelations about poor living conditions in the Fullwood home and the arrest of Dale Fullwood, Coralrose's father, on charges of possession of child have kept it there. The twists have engrossed the public, leading the evening news and fueling speculation about the Fullwoods on Internet message boards.

But behind the closed doors of the VanderWoudes' Fort Myers home, the family has tried to focus on what is left, not what is missing.

"Our life was good prior to this," said Saul VanderWoude. "We need to ... just move on."

The VanderWoudes are now raising their four surviving grandchildren, who were placed in their custody by the state. Only two months ago, the VanderWoudes had "too much time" on their hands. Now, their days are packed.

Saul VanderWoude cooks for four more mouths and is constantly trying to keep up with the ever-accumulating pile of dirty laundry, which means doing at least two loads a day. Before, the VanderWoudes needed to use the washing machine only twice a week.

Their electric bills and water bills are higher and they consume more gas, shuttling the children to and from school, Jewish school and doctor's appointments.

They must also keep track of ongoing meetings with the Department of Children & Families, which placed the children in their home.

"They have literally turned their lives upside down and inside out to have the kids live with them," said Marci Bartoe, the VanderWoudes' youngest daughter. "They put their lives on hold."

For the retired couple in their 60s, keeping up with their grandchildren, who range in age from 4 to 12, is a challenge. Feeding and clothing them is the easy part, Saul VanderWoude said.

Providing the emotional support the children need is more difficult. Not only have their lives been upended, but they are still trying to comprehend that their sister was killed.

The court order that placed the Fullwood children with their grandparents also prohibits them from talking about details pertaining to the death of their sister. That, the VanderWoudes said, has hampered the grieving process for the entire family.

"I think they understand it, but they are confused about it," Saul VanderWoude said. "I'm confused about it."

Next week, the children will begin to see psychologists; their grandparents hope they will help them in coping with the death of their sister.

There are still light moments in their home. One night, waffles -- topped with whipped cream -- were served for dinner as a reward for good behavior.

On Thursday, while the older children were at school, Saul VanderWoude attempted to rationalize with the youngest Fullwood, who calls his grandfather "Dad."

"I'm having that," the 4-year-old said, pointing to an item on the top shelf of the refrigerator.

"What, this?" Saul VanderWoude asked.

"Yeah."

"That's half and half!" Saul VanderWoude said, laughing. "Get out of here."

Indeed, the transition from grandparent to parent has been exhausting. But the hardest thing the VanderWoudes, who have been married 43 years, have encountered is listening to the harsh criticism of their family, especially of their daughter and Coralrose's mother, Ellen-Beth Fullwood. Some message board critics have labeled her a bad mother.

And yet the VanderWoudes agree that the majority of people who have come into their lives have been good, counting each kind act as a blessing.

Since the Coralrose Fund was established, there have been both a number of contributors and critics. The fund was set up a week after her death to help the family with expenses related to the children, such as food and clothes.

Saul VanderWoude is still overwhelmed by one anonymous donation made to the memorial fund.

It was for $2.

"That $2 to some person could have been like $2,000," he said, choking up. "It really affects me. It just shows that people do care."

Despite the nice things people do for the family, Saul VanderWoude said he braces every day for something bad to happen. Whenever he thinks it can't get any worse, it does.

Dale Fullwood's arrest more than two weeks ago has put an additional strain on the family. Ellen-Beth Fullwood has since separated from her husband, said Bartoe, her sister. Meanwhile, Dale Fullwood remains in jail on $50,000 bail, and no one from the family has visited him.

Saul VanderWoude, a former police officer, steadfastly defends his son-in-law, saying everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but the arrest has brought more scrutiny and criticism of the Fullwoods. Mothers at the bus stop in the family's North Port neighborhood said they were not surprised to hear of Dale Fullwood's arrest.

The speculation, the VanderWoudes say, hurts the entire family.

"People don't understand, it's a living nightmare is what it is," said Doreen VanderWoude. "Have compassion for these kids; they are the ones who need it."

Meanwhile, the VanderWoudes say it's too painful to grieve and there are too many other things to focus on.

Saul said he has learned a lot of lessons, but one sticks out.

"I learned I wouldn't wish this on anyone."

 

[Taximom]

God bless those wonderful grandparents and all those who are helping them.

The only explanation I can think of for this latest police report, other than your random breaking and entering, is that maybe Dale needed something out of the house that had been hidden that he didn't want anyone else to find. Maybe it's more incriminating evidence against him re: child . Just some thoughts here, that's all.

 

[Details]

........The VanderWoudes are now raising their four surviving grandchildren, who were placed in their custody by the state. Only two months ago, the VanderWoudes had "too much time" on their hands. Now, their days are packed.

Saul VanderWoude cooks for four more mouths and is constantly trying to keep up with the ever-accumulating pile of dirty laundry, which means doing at least two loads a day. Before, the VanderWoudes needed to use the washing machine only twice a week.

Their electric bills and water bills are higher and they consume more gas, shuttling the children to and from school, Jewish school and doctor's appointments.

Wow - two loads of laundry a day - the pile the officer couldn't step over doesn't sound so impressive now. They're retired, and having a hard time keeping up - parents with 3 jobs between them must have been working themselves incredibly hard.

 

[SewingDeb]

Wow - two loads of laundry a day - the pile the officer couldn't step over doesn't sound so impressive now. They're retired, and having a hard time keeping up - parents with 3 jobs between them must have been working themselves incredibly hard.

I can't help but think about the woman posting elsewhere who is cleaning Ellen's house for free and has befriended her. I am sure Ellen needs a friend through all of this, but the grandparents could surely use the housekeeping help more than Ellen right now. Ellen is living alone, isn't she?

 

[Details]

I can't help but think about the woman posting elsewhere who is cleaning Ellen's house for free and has befriended her. I am sure Ellen needs a friend through all of this, but the grandparents could surely use the housekeeping help more than Ellen right now. Ellen is living alone, isn't she?

I think that may be so Ellen can get the kids back, since the condition of the house was a major issue.

 

[SewingDeb]

I think that may be so Ellen can get the kids back, since the condition of the house was a major issue.

Well, it was originally but didn't her husband and one son (his? hers?) clean it up really well and have people come spray for bugs. Now there is only one person living int the home so it should be easy to maintain.

I just feel for the grandparents at this time in their lives. Thank God they are there for the children though it must be awfully tiring for them.

 

[txsvicki]

My husband and I are raising 4 grandkids with the daily clothing and pajama changes but if I put all two weeks worth of their dirty clothes and ours on the floor it wouldn't make such a wide pile that CPS or LE would make that big a deal . Of course, I don't put it on the floor but into 3 hampers and baskets off the floor. It's not unusual to do 2 loads daily at all because when I was younger and raising my own 4 kids I always did that many and would do that now, but my grandkids have more clothes than my own kids did back then. I think the VanderWoude's should keep quiet because it may backfire on them with social services if they are too sympathetic, rebellious, and vocal about defending Dale and not just about protecting the kids. I do feel for them having to take this all on at their age because I remember how overwhelming it was for us to suddenly have 4 young grandkids with problems, appointments, dealing with the school system, cooking, getting up really early with them, not being able to just go somewhere when you want, etc. It's really devastating to older people.

 

[Details]

I don't know about your grandkids - but these kids do have special needs - I think it was two who were autistic, and weren't there some other issues? That could cause a lot more mess and laundry than for normal kids.

 

[kgeaux]

I don't know about your grandkids - but these kids do have special needs - I think it was two who were autistic, and weren't there some other issues? That could cause a lot more mess and laundry than for normal kids.

I agree---probably sheets to wash daily in addition to the regular laundry. We've read about the urine smell in the house, and knowing some of the children were special needs just leads me to believe there may have been sheets to change daily, too.

While raising 5 boys, it was the norm for me to do four loads a day--one dark, one white, one towels, and one set of sheets per day. It was just easier on me to change the beds on a rotating schedule, rather than saving all the linen changes for one day. And I'm a fanatic about having clean sheets at least once a week!

 

[txsvicki]

I don't know about your grandkids - but these kids do have special needs - I think it was two who were autistic, and weren't there some other issues? That could cause a lot more mess and laundry than for normal kids.

All 4 of my grandkids have problems of some sort and make horrible messes of all sorts, but I don't have to do daily washing of bedclothes due to soiling. My laundry is still about like the grandparents are reporting with these 4 if I did wash every day. Two loads per day seems about average for a family of 6 with 6 changes of clothes, socks, underwear, pajamamas, wash clothes, and towels for each. I'm suprised that the grandparents actually aren't doing more than 2 loads if some of the kids urinate or poop on themselves because I would be washing those separately from the rest of the kids' clothes.

 

[RiverRat]

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061102/NEWS/611020376

NORTH PORT -- For the third time in 10 days, the mother of a slain North Port girl has called the police to report suspicious activity at her home.

The mother of 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood, whose Sept. 17 slaying remains unsolved, called police twice last week when she thought someone had burglarized her home. On Wednesday, Ellen-Beth Fullwood reported that she found a tire on each of her two vehicles slashed.

Police do not know whether the incidents are random, or aimed at Fullwood because neither she nor her husband has been cleared in the death of their daughter, said Capt. Robert Estrada, a spokesman for the North Port Police Department.

Estrada pointed to a flier that was circulated in September that asked people not to donate money to the Fullwoods, who had started a "Coralrose Fund."

"Anything would be possible," he said.

Fullwood, 40, has lived alone in her Calabash Lane home for three weeks, since her husband, Dale Fullwood, was arrested on child charges. She also called police on Oct. 22 and Oct. 24.

The first time, she said she returned home after a weekend away and found a door unlocked. Two days later, she said, she found two back doors unlocked and bed sheets out of place and said the master bathroom had been used.

Police found no fingerprints or signs of forced entry in either instance and categorized the two complaints as "suspicious incidents."

The officer who responded to the tire slashing Wednesday found a small puncture in the tire on Fullwood's 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis, but was unable to find a puncture in the flat tire of the 1993 Dodge minivan.

With no witnesses and no leads, "there's really nothing much we can do," said Sgt. Eric Stender.

The sergeant said there were no other reports of criminal mischief in the neighborhood.

Fullwood, a speech therapist in Charlotte County, did not return calls seeking comment.

Fullwood told police she arranged for a locksmith, and Estrada said police have continued increased patrols of the neighborhood.

Fullwood's mother, Doreen VanderWoude, reached by telephone Wednesday at her home in Lee County, said she is concerned about what she calls "vandalism."

"But there is nothing we can do about it," VanderWoude said. "All we can do is give her moral support."

VanderWoude and her husband, Saul, have been caring for their daughter's five youngest children. The four youngest, ages 4 to 12, were placed in their custody after a judge found the living conditions in the North Port home "filthy" following Coralrose's death. Fullwood's 17-year-old daughter has lived with the VanderWoudes for several years.

Estrada said police still have no suspects in Coralrose's death. Evidence is still being processed at state labs in Miami and Tampa and subjects are being re-interviewed.

Dale Fullwood remained in the Sarasota County jail Wednesday evening on $50,000 bail after being charged Oct. 15 on two felony counts of possession of child .

 

[j2mirish]

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061102/NEWS/611020376

NORTH PORT -- For the third time in 10 days, the mother of a slain North Port girl has called the police to report suspicious activity at her home.

The mother of 6-year-old Coralrose Fullwood, whose Sept. 17 slaying remains unsolved, called police twice last week when she thought someone had burglarized her home. On Wednesday, Ellen-Beth Fullwood reported that she found a tire on each of her two vehicles slashed.

Police do not know whether the incidents are random, or aimed at Fullwood because neither she nor her husband has been cleared in the death of their daughter, said Capt. Robert Estrada, a spokesman for the North Port Police Department.

Estrada pointed to a flier that was circulated in September that asked people not to donate money to the Fullwoods, who had started a "Coralrose Fund."

"Anything would be possible," he said.

Fullwood, 40, has lived alone in her Calabash Lane home for three weeks, since her husband, Dale Fullwood, was arrested on child charges. She also called police on Oct. 22 and Oct. 24.

The first time, she said she returned home after a weekend away and found a door unlocked. Two days later, she said, she found two back doors unlocked and bed sheets out of place and said the master bathroom had been used.

Police found no fingerprints or signs of forced entry in either instance and categorized the two complaints as "suspicious incidents."

The officer who responded to the tire slashing Wednesday found a small puncture in the tire on Fullwood's 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis, but was unable to find a puncture in the flat tire of the 1993 Dodge minivan.

With no witnesses and no leads, "there's really nothing much we can do," said Sgt. Eric Stender.

The sergeant said there were no other reports of criminal mischief in the neighborhood.

Fullwood, a speech therapist in Charlotte County, did not return calls seeking comment.

Fullwood told police she arranged for a locksmith, and Estrada said police have continued increased patrols of the neighborhood.

Fullwood's mother, Doreen VanderWoude, reached by telephone Wednesday at her home in Lee County, said she is concerned about what she calls "vandalism."

"But there is nothing we can do about it," VanderWoude said. "All we can do is give her moral support."

VanderWoude and her husband, Saul, have been caring for their daughter's five youngest children. The four youngest, ages 4 to 12, were placed in their custody after a judge found the living conditions in the North Port home "filthy" following Coralrose's death. Fullwood's 17-year-old daughter has lived with the VanderWoudes for several years.

Estrada said police still have no suspects in Coralrose's death. Evidence is still being processed at state labs in Miami and Tampa and subjects are being re-interviewed.

Dale Fullwood remained in the Sarasota County jail Wednesday evening on $50,000 bail after being charged Oct. 15 on two felony counts of possession of child .

I cant believe she stays in the home to begin with--:doh: enough time has passed, that there could have been different living arrangements made, I would think-

 

[gardenmom]

I cant believe she stays in the home to begin with--:doh: enough time has passed, that there could have been different living arrangements made, I would think-

She also said at one time that she would never go back there to live. Wonder what made her change her mind?

 

[2luvmy]

She also said at one time that she would never go back there to live. Wonder what made her change her mind?

Is she working? With the husband in jail, I am sure the income has been cut in half. Also, since she is not allowed to be unsupervised with the children, the options for moving in with parents is not there. Unless friends or strangers volunteer their homes or $$ there isn't really anywhere else to go.

 

[SewingDeb]

Is she working? With the husband in jail, I am sure the income has been cut in half. Also, since she is not allowed to be unsupervised with the children, the options for moving in with parents is not there. Unless friends or strangers volunteer their homes or $$ there isn't really anywhere else to go.

Exactly.

 

[j2mirish]

Is she working? With the husband in jail, I am sure the income has been cut in half. Also, since she is not allowed to be unsupervised with the children, the options for moving in with parents is not there. Unless friends or strangers volunteer their homes or $$ there isn't really anywhere else to go.

yes she is working- I also believe I read she has either filed for seperation or divorce- I just cant imagine staying in the house my daughter was taken from, husband arrested from, especially all by myself, and now the problems she is reporting-

 

[BabelaJoy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnBorn

Also, I want to say that, for the record, my house is neat as a pin. No clutter, no mess. Smells like vanilla candles or ylang ylang (or Pine Sol or bleach) most of the time. There's nothing I enjoy more than pushing the Swiffer around the house or cleaning the window sills. It's a way of unwinding after putting in full-time+ hours at the law office. Takes about 40 minutes total per day to maintain.

Edited to add: I don't clean the window sills everyday. Swiffer, yes.

Do you have children?

I wanted to add my 2 cents. I have 3 kids, 8-year-old girl, 7-year-old boy, and 6-year-old boy. None of the, thank goodness, have autism or any disabiilties. I work 2 jobs from home, I do medical transcription, and most nights I am up till 3 am at my 2nd job. I work 7 days a week. My husband is gone to work from 5 am till 10 pm M-F, and works a side job on weekends.

Right now, I have probably 8 loads of laundry to fold, and probably 5 or more to wash. I have 7 cats and 1 dog, so litter boxes are constantly full and I have 3 of them in my house. I know I shouldn't have this many animals, but it was a pregnant mamma and she was outside, and I couldn’t see her have babies outside, so I took her in and I am in the process of finding homes for them. My sink is a doulbe sink and both sides are filled with dishes. I just spent the entire day cleaning my daughter's room, so that room is still somehwat clean, and then another day, I spent cleaning my son's room, so that room is still okay. I spent 3 hours last night washing/waxing my living room hard wood floors, because they had soda and juice all spilled all over them.

I don’t now have roaches, but when I had lived in a trailor a few years back, we did. They were not there when I moved in. What I believe happened was, the management had to fix a wall under a window cause it was leaking and was all rotted. They cut the wall away from under the window and replaced it. Since they cut that wall open, the roaches were there. I fumigated every week. I pub bombs in the house while I was sitting there working, almost dying from fumes. I would close my kids doors and do the kitchen. Nothing, nothing, nothing I did helped. I am the type of person who is afraiod of these bugs, and I would literally stand in the center of my kitchen until I could see if there was a roach walking around. I cried constanlty. I could do nothing and the landlord tole me, you live in WV, there will be bugs. SO, I MOVED. Put all my stuff in stoarage for a long time to kill anything if it was in my belongings. However, my grandma lived in Brooklyn above a store. She was immaculate. She had roaches everywhere, and I lived with her for a while. I was so embarrased. No matter what she did, they came.

Any any given day in my house, it is a constant mess. My children, my fault I guess, do not help me. Hubby, has no time to help me. I am alone in my house cleaning efforts and I do the best that one person can do. I find apple cores under their beds, or puddign they took from fridge will be smeared all over their dressers. I live in a 3 floor 3 bedroom house, so it’s not easy to see everything they do. With holloween this week, every time I look, there are papers fromj the candy all over the floor I just cleaned and gum and sticky candy, no matter how many times I tell them to throw thrier papers out, they don't. The litter boxes are changed every other day if not every 2 days, but they still constanlty stink. Nobody in my house soils anything but the toilet, but I cant imagine if one did. In my daughter's class she has a boy, and she is in 3rd grade, who poops his pants in class every day. I don't know if he is sick or anything, but this is what my daughter tells me. Some days, it is extremely depressing and some days, I don’t want to get out of my bed, which is the only place there is no mess.

However, my kids are the only reason most days I wake up. I would simply die if one of them were ever missing. They go nowhere w/o me, do not go to friend's house, as I don’t know their friends parents, they walk nowhere. I live a mere 2-minute walk from our school, but they bus to school, and I pick them up every day, they cannot walk.

My house is not a danger to them. Things that could harm them are out of their way. Their areas are kept as clean as possible. Because my house is messy, that does not mean I don’t love my children any less, because my children are the air that I breathe. I grew up in a house where my mother was a monster when she was cleaning. I would dread those days, well my whole childhood was horrible, so I guess that's why my kids are pretty much spoiled, and yes, they walk all over me, but they know they are loved, and for now, that is all that matters to me. Plus, if they were to fold clothes, let's say, I would have to redo them. If they washed dishes, I would have a floor full of water. I do have my son do litter box patrol, but he hates to do it, and I have to rant and rave to get him to do it, so sometimes it is just easier for me to do it. I only do this because "he" wants to keep the baby kitties, but has no idea what it takes to care for them.

I guess my point in this rant is, I have no idea who murdered this baby, but because her house was messy, doesn’t mean she did it.

Thanks for reading this book I just wrote, lol.

Joy