FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[TTF14]

Drugs found in one of the two according to this story that just broke. but it does not say which one.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/drug...nd-dead-along-i-4-in-volusia-county/481511434

This tells me that the report is in on only one of the victims so far. Still waiting on the other.

JMO.

 

[Adt1984]

Drugs found in one of the two according to this story that just broke. but it does not say which one.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/drug...nd-dead-along-i-4-in-volusia-county/481511434

So if drugs was only found in 1 of the 2 and there's no signs of trauma then what happened to the other one?? I think he's the one who had drugs in his system but let's say she came in contact with fentanyl while trying to help him like others have mentioned, wouldn't it show up in her system too?
This is a bizarre case..

 

[TTF14]

My sons father passed away in 2001 when he was 25. He just didn't wake up. An autopsy and tox found nothing abnormal to cause his death. He dabbled in drugs and I broke up with him while he was starting to get intense in his addictions. We know he was doing a few drugs when he passed away but a overdose was ruled out.
We still have no answers. I really hope these families get the answers they need. Embracing them with peace.


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That must be so difficult to not have a clear cut answer .

 

[JerseyGirl]

Gant would not release which of the two victims tested "presumptive positive" for the presence of drugs, but could not disclose what type of drugs were detected. Earlier this week, Gant said there was some history of drug use, specifically as it related to Daniel Kelsey.

"The causes of death for each victim will be determined through the results of their full toxicology test," Gant said.

Full toxicology test results typically take weeks to be finalized and released.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-dead-parents-drug-positive-20170105-story.html

 

[Tulessa]

Wow! This thread has really been an eye opener for me. I was given a shot of Morphine last week for a *hernia*! I freaked! I told the doctor I could handle the pain, just please get my blood pressure lowered. He said my pain was causing the HBP. I still think a Tum would have done the job, and I would have paid a $100 dollar bill for one.

ETA, they though I was having a heart attack, kinda in their defense.

 

[mrseeker]

This tells me that the report is in on only one of the victims so far. Still waiting on the other.

JMO.

The sheriff says presumptive tests on both. But full tox might tell another story.

Update: Jan. 5

An autopsy performed Tuesday did not reveal any signs of trauma on either Daniel or Heather Kelsey. One of the victims did test presumptive positive for the presence of drugs. At this point in the investigation, I’m not able to release any specifics as to who tested positive or for which drugs. No official causes of death were immediately determined as a result of the autopsy. The causes of death for each victim will be determined through the results of their full toxicology tests.

http://www.volusiasheriff.org/news/sheriffs-office-investigating-after-two-found-dead-along-i-4.stml

 

[JerseyGirl]

Chitwood said the Ormond Beach residents were making their were back home from Quincy.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...trauma-or-foul-play-on-dead-ormond-i-4-couple

So they must have made a quick pit stop in Sanford. MOO

 

[kanzz]

Wow! This thread has really been an eye opener for me. I was given a shot of Morphine last week for a *hernia*! I freaked! I told the doctor I could handle the pain, just please get my blood pressure lowered. He said my pain was causing the HBP. I still think a Tum would have done the job, and I would have paid a $100 dollar bill for one.

ETA, they though I was having a heart attack, kinda in their defense.

Morphine is good medicine when used appropriately. Pain is not your friend, except to signal the alert that you need medical attention. Trust the ER staff when they offer morphine. They'll only give you enough by IV titration to control the pain. Pain eats morphine - i.e. as long as it isn't used in excess, no harm done, probably not much of a high (maybe some drowsiness), and no potential for addiction.
Morphine decreases oxygen demand and hypertension and can actually help treat cardiac and other issues, not just the pain. Also, never hesitate to tell them what you truly think might help - like a Tums. Sometimes it's those kinds of requests that give the staff good clues about how you're feeling and what might be causing your symptoms.

 

[CARIIS]

The sheriff says presumptive tests on both. But full tox might tell another story.

Update: Jan. 5

An autopsy performed Tuesday did not reveal any signs of trauma on either Daniel or Heather Kelsey. One of the victims did test presumptive positive for the presence of drugs. At this point in the investigation, I’m not able to release any specifics as to who tested positive or for which drugs. No official causes of death were immediately determined as a result of the autopsy. The causes of death for each victim will be determined through the results of their full toxicology tests.

http://www.volusiasheriff.org/news/sheriffs-office-investigating-after-two-found-dead-along-i-4.stml

Bunch of BS you know who- so do we him

 

[fraudqueen]

I asked my retired LEO hubby about the autopsy, since he attended hundreds of them. He said the first small test doesn't mean much, it's the one they send off that takes weeks that will absolutely tell the story. He said the first test sometimes even gives a false positive. Still a double overdose IMO.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Wow! This thread has really been an eye opener for me. I was given a shot of Morphine last week for a *hernia*! I freaked! I told the doctor I could handle the pain, just please get my blood pressure lowered. He said my pain was causing the HBP. I still think a Tum would have done the job, and I would have paid a $100 dollar bill for one.

ETA, they though I was having a heart attack, kinda in their defense.

Glad you're ok Tulessa!

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[CARIIS]

So if drugs was only found in 1 of the 2 and there's no signs of trauma then what happened to the other one?? I think he's the one who had drugs in his system but let's say she came in contact with fentanyl while trying to help him like others have mentioned, wouldn't it show up in her system too?
This is a bizarre case..

Do not understand why they are doing it this - both had addiction history as far learned.

I think he might have killed her - could not handle his kids being taken away again , and she had been harassing him to stop he could not stop- BUT he did not want her to have them without him

Only reason I am here is cause of how cagey they are being with her cause of death

from day one they have said they have concerns about her death -- only thing that can mean IMO is murder what else??

 

[CARIIS]

Could someone have intentionally given them bad drugs ?


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I have gone there - and IMO it is a possibility
drug world is mean , maybe they ripped off
someone , and the biggest payback could be to give them shi%??

 

[kanzz]

Do not understand why they are doing it this - both had addiction history as far learned.

I think he might have killed her - could not handle his kids being taken away again , and she had been harassing him to stop he could not stop- BUT he did not want her to have them without him

Only reason I am here is cause of how cagey they are being with her cause of death

from day one they have said they have concerns about her death -- only thing that can mean IMO is murder what else??

BBM

What? How? And you don't understand why they are doing what?

An autopsy performed Tuesday did not reveal any signs of trauma on either Daniel or Heather Kelsey.
http://www.volusiasheriff.org/news/sheriffs-office-investigating-after-two-found-dead-along-i-4.stml

 

[CARIIS]

"Because of their problems, they were in Quincy, Florida, and were making their way back," Chitwood said.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...se-suspected-in-death-of-ormond-couple-on-i-4

The only mention of Sanford, FL was a picture in this link from a friend that said in June Daniel drove up from Sanford to visit him.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...-dead-on-i-4-near-deland-idd-3-children-alive

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So in June they were living in Sanford, and now they are living in Ormond Beach?

And it still appears they were driving from Quincy to Ormond via I-4 which is totally out of the way.

I truly believe from the lady (they were supposed to visit them) and never showed up - that it was a drug stop.

 

[CARIIS]

One article early on said they were driving up from Sanford just north of Orlando. I am not sure what Quincy has to do with it, other than perhaps they had been staying in Quincy due to their troubles. I know his FB page said he was from sanford. I guess they might have been working their way home, from quincy to sanford, then, that night back to ormond. Perhaps they had left the kids with family in sanford when in quincy or maybe they needed to stop in on their drug dealer in Sanford.

That is what I think the diversion was drug related totally

 

[Spellbound]

Do not understand why they are doing it this - both had addiction history as far learned.

I think he might have killed her - could not handle his kids being taken away again , and she had been harassing him to stop he could not stop- BUT he did not want her to have them without him

Only reason I am here is cause of how cagey they are being with her cause of death

from day one they have said they have concerns about her death -- only thing that can mean IMO is murder what else??

But how could anyone murder her and leave "no signs of trauma"?

I still think it was a matter of taking a bad drug or combination of drugs.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I hope they are kept together.

I do worry that the choice to use could be higher when these boys grow up as a way to try and connect with the parents they don't know or can't remember.

Hoping they choose to stay far away instead!



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[Armchair2]

But how could anyone murder her and leave "no signs of trauma"?

I still think it was a matter of taking a bad drug or combination of drugs.

He could have given her a drug that she didn't know exactly what she was taking maybe thought it was milder than it was ( I obviously don't know much about drugs) and then he took it knowing how potent it was. Murder Suicide
still not ruling out the idea of the perp with the guise of needing help they pull over and are drugged perp puts on hazards and leaves scene mo

 

[mrseeker]

So if they are still being secretive, the case must not be so open and shut. I wonder if they are trying to locate the supplier to prosecute. I hope they are. Most likely they stopped somewhere along the way to buy or consume, and police probably are trying to put a case together. I wonder what could be the cause of death for the one without drugs in the system? Of course the final tox might show both had them. If someone is dying of an OD could they do harm to someone else? Perhaps they called their supplier for help and he drove up there and killed the living one to shut that person up. Sorry for my wild speculation, but i wish more pushers would be prosecuted for murder.