GUILTY FL - David Galarriago, 2, beaten to death, Jacksonville, 14 March 2011

[Cracka*Jaxx]

I think the point she was trying to make is that he does not need to be in an adult prison to protect the other children. He can be in treatment in a psych hospital and receive what he needs, and your kids will still be safely away from him.

In my previous comment, #81, I said that I didn't think he should be housed with adults.

 

[EXIA15145]

I don't know that much about this case. My comments are more or less regarding the fact that this is a twelve year old child. In this case, it appears no one is disputing the child, Cristian, is the one that killed the baby, correct?

When Eric M. Smith was 13, he is believed to have killed Derrick Robie, 4 years old. No provocation.

This is another case. Has anyone heard of Jordan Brown?
http://cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-...rown-accused-of-murder-at-age-11-found-guilty
Jordan was 11 years old when his father's pregnant fiancee was murdered in her bed. He has been tried and convicted of the murder.

If the mother had an inkling of what her child was capable of, she had no business leaving that child alone with younger children.

 

[trofanji]

About the Jordan Brown case. At his trial, there wasn't any evidence presented that linked Jordan to the crime.

http://www.ncnewsonline.com/topstories/x1254879140/Jordan-Brown-attorneys-appeal-homicide-decision


here is the websleuths link to Jordan's case

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80180&highlight=jordan+brown&page=18

 

[trofanji]

Victory for Cristian Fernandez defense: Judge tosses interrogations

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...fernandez-defense-judge-tosses-interrogations


http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-cases-against-cristian-fernandez-due-tuesday

 

[katydid23]

I don't know that much about this case. My comments are more or less regarding the fact that this is a twelve year old child. In this case, it appears no one is disputing the child, Cristian, is the one that killed the baby, correct?

When Eric M. Smith was 13, he is believed to have killed Derrick Robie, 4 years old. No provocation.

This is another case. Has anyone heard of Jordan Brown?
http://cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-...rown-accused-of-murder-at-age-11-found-guilty
Jordan was 11 years old when his father's pregnant fiancee was murdered in her bed. He has been tried and convicted of the murder.

If the mother had an inkling of what her child was capable of, she had no business leaving that child alone with younger children.

The question is whether he meant to kill the baby. imo

 

[trofanji]

I don’t think he meant to kill his two year old brother, he called his mom for help after the incident, but his mom didn’t react for hours until it was too late.
Let’s not forget that Christian Fernandez suffered himself from sexual and physical abuse by his step dead who killed himself just before he got arrested. He should have got help since a long time, now the state is going to blame him for its own faults by overcharging him with first degree murder. IMO

 

[TheDuchess]

This is another case of adults taking a child and creating a monster and then blaming and punishing the child.

It is one thing to have an adult being tried and using prior abuse as a defense. But this is a child. A child who has had horrific things happen to him. A innocent child who was taught this behavior.

In my opinion, Christian is merely the weapon, the method of murder, and his father, his stepfather, his mother and grandmother are the murderers. The very people who are supposed to protect him, instead created a monster. A confused, mentally disturbed little person who, in my opinion, has no control over his past or his present.

How anyone cannot see just how unjust this prosecution of this child is must be blind or not have a heart. While very sad for the baby who suffered and died-who knows how this would have turned out had the mother been home properly supervising them (knowing Christian's past,) had she called 911 right away instead of waiting 8 hours to call, had helped Christian grow and heal from his abuse and neglect.

And shame on the government that failed to protect him, that failed to insure he was healthy, that failed him in every sense of the word and is now attempting to punish him for their own failures.

You can talk about evil all you want, but I don't believe people are born evil. At least not in this case. This child was taught evil. He was taught how to abuse, how to attack, how to hate. And allowed to do so-even his mother admitted that she left her 2 year old with a 12 year old she knew broke the baby's leg just prior to this tragedy.

I mean seriously??? And she is getting off easier than him with a simple manslaughter??? Someone desperately needs to step in for this child (obviously his family isn't going to do it) and help this child escape a lifetime in prison. He will be housed with juveniles until he turns 18 at which time he will be housed with adults.

He can be put into a high security mental health facility which can help him and rehabilitate him. Don't punish this child for something that was a result of how the adults in his life all failed him.

 

[katydid23]

This is another case of adults taking a child and creating a monster and then blaming and punishing the child.

It is one thing to have an adult being tried and using prior abuse as a defense. But this is a child. A child who has had horrific things happen to him. A innocent child who was taught this behavior.

In my opinion, Christian is merely the weapon, the method of murder, and his father, his stepfather, his mother and grandmother are the murderers. The very people who are supposed to protect him, instead created a monster. A confused, mentally disturbed little person who, in my opinion, has no control over his past or his present.

How anyone cannot see just how unjust this prosecution of this child is must be blind or not have a heart. While very sad for the baby who suffered and died-who knows how this would have turned out had the mother been home properly supervising them (knowing Christian's past,) had she called 911 right away instead of waiting 8 hours to call, had helped Christian grow and heal from his abuse and neglect.

And shame on the government that failed to protect him, that failed to insure he was healthy, that failed him in every sense of the word and is now attempting to punish him for their own failures.

You can talk about evil all you want, but I don't believe people are born evil. At least not in this case. This child was taught evil. He was taught how to abuse, how to attack, how to hate. And allowed to do so-even his mother admitted that she left her 2 year old with a 12 year old she knew broke the baby's leg just prior to this tragedy.

I mean seriously??? And she is getting off easier than him with a simple manslaughter??? Someone desperately needs to step in for this child (obviously his family isn't going to do it) and help this child escape a lifetime in prison. He will be housed with juveniles until he turns 18 at which time he will be housed with adults.

He can be put into a high security mental health facility which can help him and rehabilitate him. Don't punish this child for something that was a result of how the adults in his life all failed him.

THANK YOU> Great post. Well stated. This poor kid never had a chance, imo.

 

[seattlechiquita]

THANK YOU> Great post. Well stated. This poor kid never had a chance, imo.

ITA. That was a great post.

 

[Linda7NJ]

THANK YOU> Great post. Well stated. This poor kid never had a chance, imo.

Prisons are full of people that never had a chance.
By oddly enough, many with the same background somehow manage to rise above in spite of their upbringing.


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[Elley Mae]

What 3 year old kills a cat?! That should speak volumes about what this kid is capable of. So, first he kills a cat, then he breaks his brother's leg, and then he kills his brother (with his mother's help). It's VERY apparent that his violence is escalating. Did we learn nothing after the Luka Magnotta incident? Where he first killed several kittens, and then resorted to murder and dismemberment? Are we going to forever make excuses for these individuals who have broken brains that can't be fixed?

Jeffrey Dahmer killed animals, not sure at what age he started.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What 3 year old kills a cat?! That should speak volumes about what this kid is capable of. So, first he kills a cat, then he breaks his brother's leg, and then he kills his brother (with his mother's help). It's VERY apparent that his violence is escalating. Did we learn nothing after the Luka Magnotta incident? Where he first killed several kittens, and then resorted to murder and dismemberment? Are we going to forever make excuses for these individuals who have broken brains that can't be fixed?

BBM

It is very obvious that this boy's violence is esculating. He is a danger to society, imo, and that is why he must be kept behind bars.

And how can we forget that at the age of eight Joesph Duncan was already sexually abusing younger boys. Even the mental health experts agreed he was incurable but what does the penal system do? Let him out again to do more heinous acts against the innocent. Sadistically raping and murdering at will. He would have never stopped.

We have got to stop making excuses for these type of murderers. Millions upon millions of individuals have endured a horrific life in their childhood yet the overwelming vast majority dont kill animals and resort to murder. Imo, by giving an excuse it is like saying because he was abused he has a right to abuse and murder animals and his brother. No matter what abuse he may have endured he did not have a right to do that and use the abuse excuse as the reason, imo.

Is this the same boy that is accused of sexually abusing another child? I may have my cases mixed up.

IMO

 

[trofanji]

another Update

Judge rules for Cristian Fernandez; interrogations are out

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...les-cristian-fernandez-interrogations-are-out

Prosecutors appeal judge's ruling tossing Cristian Fernandez statements; trials delayed

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-ruling-tossing-cristian-fernandez-statements

 

[jstwondering]

BBM

It is very obvious that this boy's violence is esculating. He is a danger to society, imo, and that is why he must be kept behind bars.

And how can we forget that at the age of eight Joesph Duncan was already sexually abusing younger boys. Even the mental health experts agreed he was incurable but what does the penal system do? Let him out again to do more heinous acts against the innocent. Sadistically raping and murdering at will. He would have never stopped.

We have got to stop making excuses for these type of murderers. Millions upon millions of individuals have endured a horrific life in their childhood yet the overwelming vast majority dont kill animals and resort to murder. Imo, by giving an excuse it is like saying because he was abused he has a right to abuse and murder animals and his brother. No matter what abuse he may have endured he did not have a right to do that and use the abuse excuse as the reason, imo.

Is this the same boy that is accused of sexually abusing another child? I may have my cases mixed up.

IMO

Yes. killed the 2 year old brother, molested the 5 year old brother.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...egedly-murdering-his-2-year-old-half-brother/

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

http://www.cbsnews.com

Christian was rather detached emotionally while discussing the incident.

The boy learned to squelch his feelings, once telling a counselor: "You got to suck up feelings and get over it."

Things Christian Fernandez is accused of:

- killing a kitten
- masturbating at school
- simulating sex w/classmates
- sexually abusing his 5 year old brother
- breaking his 2 year old brother's leg
- beating his 2 year old brother to death

His violent acts have been escalating over the years, and these are only what we know about. Unfortunately, I believe it's too late to rehabilitate this psychopath. The best thing we can do is to protect society from his monstrous ways. Christian should be the last victim of his family's dysfunction.

 

[jstwondering]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/28186594/detail.html

More here. I believe something is wrong with this boy. I believe in punishment for your crime. But give me a break, he is a 12 year old boy. He does not need to be in jail with grown men.

Very true, but other children certainly do not need to be in jail with HIM either. After assaulting a 2 year old twice (and killing him) and assaulting the 5 year old sexually, I certainly wouldn't want to see what he does to the smaller, weaker children that would be incarcerated with him. MHO

 

[katydid23]

http://www.cbsnews.com




Things Christian Fernandez is accused of:

- killing a kitten
- masturbating at school
- simulating sex w/classmates
- sexually abusing his 5 year old brother
- breaking his 2 year old brother's leg
- beating his 2 year old brother to death

His violent acts have been escalating over the years, and these are only what we know about. Unfortunately, I believe it's too late to rehabilitate this psychopath. The best thing we can do is to protect society from his monstrous ways. Christian should be the last victim of his family's dysfunction.

When an 11 yr old 'sexually abuses' a 5 yr old sibling, it is because they are acting out because of their OWN ongoing abuse.

This poor child was sent home to live with his TWELVE YR OLD mother, a victim of rape and incest herself. They lived in a crack motel room with his crack ho grandmother. He was physically beaten and sexually abused his ENTIRE LIFE.

Is it any surprise he acted out in class and lashed out at siblings?

I believe in holding perps accountable for their actions, even if they were victims themselves. But not at age TWELVE. How the heck was a 12 yr old supposed to get help for himself?

I acted out sexually at age 11 as well. I was raped for years by my uncle since I was 5. I was sexually 'permissive' at age 11 and 12 because of that.

Should I have been locked up and left there for life because of those actions? I hope not. I got help when I was GROWN UP.

This poor child was thrown to the wolves by the same system that is throwing him in the trash and throwing away the key. :furious:

 

[katydid23]

Very true, but other children certainly do not need to be in jail with HIM either. After assaulting a 2 year old twice (and killing him) and assaulting the 5 year old sexually, I certainly wouldn't want to see what he does to the smaller, weaker children that would be incarcerated with him. MHO

He did not 'kill' the 2 yr old. His mother did by not calling for help. He shoved him and the baby hit his head and passed out.
This kid is not a monster. He was a straight A student and has feelings and emotions.

His mother gave birth to him at age 12. The CPS sent him home with her, an incest and rape victim. He was raised in deplorable conditions and was beaten and neglected and repeatedly raped by his stepfather.

Is it any surprise he has anger control problems?

He has NEVER been shown love or nurturing. He was only 12 when he was arrested. Why not TRY to rehabilitate him? He can be kept separate in Juvenile facilities.

WE FAILED THIS POOR KID, IMO.

 

[badhorsie]

When an 11 yr old 'sexually abuses' a 5 yr old sibling, it is because they are acting out because of their OWN ongoing abuse.

This poor child was sent home to live with his TWELVE YR OLD mother, a victim of rape and incest herself. They lived in a crack motel room with his crack ho grandmother. He was physically beaten and sexually abused his ENTIRE LIFE.

Is it any surprise he acted out in class and lashed out at siblings?

I believe in holding perps accountable for their actions, even if they were victims themselves. But not at age TWELVE. How the heck was a 12 yr old supposed to get help for himself?

I acted out sexually at age 11 as well. I was raped for years by my uncle since I was 5. I was sexually 'permissive' at age 11 and 12 because of that.

Should I have been locked up and left there for life because of those actions? I hope not. I got help when I was GROWN UP.

This poor child was thrown to the wolves by the same system that is throwing him in the trash and throwing away the key. :furious:

I cannot thank your post enough

I feel your pain.:hug: It wasn't actual rape with me but near enough.I was sexualized at a very early age due to emotional incest and sexual abuse, There seemed to be no escape for me as a child

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

I acted out sexually at age 11 as well. I was raped for years by my uncle since I was 5. I was sexually 'permissive' at age 11 and 12 because of that.

Should I have been locked up and left there for life because of those actions? I hope not. I got help when I was GROWN UP.

It really shocks me that sexual abuse is so pervasive within families. I'm so sorry for your childhood abuse and glad that you were able to overcome this trauma. But in acting out, you weren't violent and you didn't break bones or kill people.

I agree that social services let this boy and his family down big time, right from the start. IMO, they should be held accountable. But we all know that never happens in these cases. It's a sad situation all the way around.

IF this child can be helped- REALLY helped- so that he isn't a danger in the future, of course that would be wonderful. But judging by similar situations in the past, it's just not very likely. He might be 'broken' beyond repair and there's only so much society can do for him at this time.

Even if he's given therapy, there comes a point where there will be nothing more anyone can do for him. At that time, he's either changed his life around or he hasn't. If he hasn't, he'd be a danger to the rest of us if he's simply let out when he comes of age.