FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[Inthedetails]

Then he would have faced court martial. You don't get to not show up for work in the military. It's not like a civilian job where you get a warning and then the next time get fired. I mean you go to work or you risk going to military prison. However, if they knew he was nuts, they might give him a general under honorable conditions just to get him out of their hair.

I thought I read it somewhere that the reason he was discharged was because he didn't show up for work. I could be mistaken. I'll search for a link.

 

[Tawny]

Then he would have faced court martial. You don't get to not show up for work in the military. It's not like a civilian job where you get a warning and then the next time get fired. I mean you go to work or you risk going to military prison. However, if they knew he was nuts, they might give him a general under honorable conditions just to get him out of their hair.

Sometimes it's just easier to chapter a problem soldier out. BTDT. I'm sure he had a few articles outlining disciplinary issues.

 

[RainCheck]

i wouldnt get carried away assuming someone accused him of being jewish prior to this either, this is a person that self-reported himself to the FBI for having delusional thoughts...

edit - if that report is even true

Unless the FBI is lying, they've confirmed it haven't they?

 

[rsd1200]

It must depend on the state. I've lived in the US all my life and never seen anyone except LE walking with a firearm.

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It depends on the state. It's not uncommon around here. I don't really think anything about seeing a sidearm on someone. Now, an AR-15 slung over the shoulder, might turn some heads but, then again, it's possible to win one in a raffle at our local festival (proceeds go to charity). I don't open carry, and very rarely conceal carry, but know others who won't leave home w/o their firearm.

 

[drjones]

Then he would have faced court martial. You don't get to not show up for work in the military. It's not like a civilian job where you get a warning and then the next time get fired. I mean you go to work or you risk going to military prison. However, if they knew he was nuts, they might give him a general under honorable conditions just to get him out of their hair.

he was in the national guard at this point right? you actually can not show up for duty in the national guard for years and still get an honorable discharge, i dont know why it happens but i know it from personal experience in the national guard, multiple cases.

 

[Inthedetails]

Then he would have faced court martial. You don't get to not show up for work in the military. It's not like a civilian job where you get a warning and then the next time get fired. I mean you go to work or you risk going to military prison. However, if they knew he was nuts, they might give him a general under honorable conditions just to get him out of their hair.

"The Pentagon told the Associated Press that Santiago had gone AWOL several times during his stint with the Alaska National Guard and was demoted - from specialist to private first class - and given a general discharge, which is lower than an honorable discharge."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/esteban-santiago-ruiz-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect/

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand the desperation to connect this to ISIS instead of investigating the possibility that it's fueled by a mental health disorder as evidenced by his stay in a psychiatric facility and statements to the FBI that he doesn't want to hurt anyone.

Please show me just ONE other example of a terrorist who begged the FBI for help. I'll wait.

I am not feeling desperate. I am just looking at the end result. He went to an airport and shot 15 people. He may or may not have been a schizophrenic. That is still rumor at this point.

But he HIMSELF said he felt ucontrollable urges to fight for ISIS. And then he carried out an ISIS type attack. He did seem to have mental health issues. But he also carried out a successful terrorist action. So I think he was a little of both.

 

[Tawny]

I am not feeling desperate. I am just looking at the end result. He went to an airport and shot 15 people. He may or may not have been a schizophrenic. That is still rumor at this point.

But he HIMSELF said he felt ucontrollable urges to fight for ISIS. And then he carried out an ISIS type attack. He did seem to have mental health issues. But he also carried out a successful terrorist action. So I think he was a little of both.

They weren't "urges", they were voices he was hearing in his head...

 

[drjones]

Unless the FBI is lying, they've confirmed it haven't they?

sorry, i was referring to the claim that he yelled out that he wasnt jewish.

 

[RainCheck]

Sometimes it's just easier to chapter a problem soldier out. BTDT. I'm sure he had a few articles outlining disciplinary issues.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. If they knew he was declining it was easier to get him out of their hair. I think they knew he was having some mental health issues so they separated him to avoid having to be responsible for getting him help. It happens all the time in the military and I think it's really sad.

 

[drjones]

I am not feeling desperate. I am just looking at the end result. He went to an airport and shot 15 people. He may or may not have been a schizophrenic. That is still rumor at this point.

But he HIMSELF said he felt ucontrollable urges to fight for ISIS. And then he carried out an ISIS type attack. He did seem to have mental health issues. But he also carried out a successful terrorist action. So I think he was a little of both.

is there a source for him claiming he felt uncontrollable urges to fight for ISIS? thanx.

 

[katydid23]

They weren't "urges", they were voices he was hearing in his head...

If you hear voices in your head telling you to stab your wife, that ends up like an 'urge.'

My brother would hear voices in his head to smash things made of glass. And sometimes it was all he could do to resist the urge to do so.

 

[Inthedetails]

sorry, i was referring to the claim that he yelled out that he wasnt jewish.

Maybe someone in the baggage claim area shouted it? Just a thought, until we hear for sure.

If it was said - by whomever said it - I still think it has to do with the argument on the plane. If there was an argument on the plane....not much is being said about that either.

jmo

 

[RainCheck]

I am not feeling desperate. I am just looking at the end result. He went to an airport and shot 15 people. He may or may not have been a schizophrenic. That is still rumor at this point.

But he HIMSELF said he felt ucontrollable urges to fight for ISIS. And then he carried out an ISIS type attack. He did seem to have mental health issues. But he also carried out a successful terrorist action. So I think he was a little of both.

Can you be just a little of both? Whatever he was, I'd say he was a whole of it!

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. If they knew he was declining it was easier to get him out of their hair. I think they knew he was having some mental health issues so they separated him to avoid having to be responsible for getting him help. It happens all the time in the military and I think it's really sad.

He was demoted first and then discharged.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/esteban-santiago-ruiz-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect/

"The Pentagon told the Associated Press that Santiago had gone AWOL several times during his stint with the Alaska National Guard and was demoted - from specialist to private first class - and given a general discharge, which is lower than an honorable discharge. "

 

[Tawny]

If you hear voices in your head telling you to stab your wife, that ends up like an 'urge.'

My brother would hear voices in his head to smash things made of glass. And sometimes it was all he could do to resist the urge to do so.

I have the urge to eat the rest of the Reese's peanut butter cups from Christmas. I do not have voices telling me to do so.

 

[RainCheck]

he was in the national guard at this point right? you actually can not show up for duty in the national guard for years and still get an honorable discharge, i dont know why it happens but i know it from personal experience in the national guard, multiple cases.

Awww, right, I keep forgetting he was in the national guard and active duty. It would depend if he was actived or not in that case. Had he done that while active duty it would have been much worse for him.

 

[NCTeacher]

Maybe someone in the baggage claim area shouted it? Just a thought, until we hear for sure.

If it was said - by whomever said it - I still think it has to do with the argument on the plane. If there was an argument on the plane....not much is being said about that either.

jmo

I have heard that as well, that it was someone in the baggage claim shouting that. Right now, I think we just don't know enough to make a conclusion about what, if anything was shouted.

 

[RainCheck]

I have heard that as well, that it was someone in the baggage claim shouting that. Right now, I think we just don't know enough to make a conclusion about what, if anything was shouted.

OMG, you mean like they were shouting "I'm not Jewish!" hoping it would keep him from killing them? How terrifying and horrible for them.

 

[katydid23]

is there a source for him claiming he felt uncontrollable urges to fight for ISIS? thanx.

In November 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage claiming that he was being forced to fight for ISIS and was sent to a psychiatric hospital, officials revealed.
He said he did not want to hurt anyone...
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/06/sen-bill-nelson-identifies-suspected-fll-gunman/


So he does not want to hurt anyone but he is being forced to fight for ISIS. Sounds to me like he was fighting the urge to fight for ISIS.