FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[katydid23]

so a few times the voices have told him to lash out physically and he wasnt able to resist that? and his condition seems to be related to proper medication? interesting, great info.

He had urges to lash out physically that he did resist. But he also had a few times when he followed through and punched or kicked someone.

Proper meds are a must but that is a constant struggle. When they work great ---he tends to stop taking them because he feels 'fine.' Then he goes off the deep end and starts over again. :sigh:

 

[AmyPond]

http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/cou...cle_853b87ec-d472-11e6-b856-cfe589d2bab7.html

More victims identified (though not officially.)

 

[CARIIS]

I hope you don't think I was calling you out or something with my post. I was actually referring more to the media and whatnot than to this thread. I was watching various stations earlier and they talked a lot about the gun in checked baggage.

Oh no my dear truly that 1 2 3 and I are rarities- otherwise we are in for some very bad copy cat stuff if a lot of people are like us and did not know --sorry but this was easy to do that just bugs me

He cost lives and this nation millions and millions of dollars- he totally disrupted americas aviation system.

Some one does this at a major airport .............

ABC Action News
✔@abcactionnews

Witness say the shooter in some sort of uniform started screaming "I'm not Jewish, I'm not Jewish

This I am confused about - on one level it totally fits with the delesion (he was in Iraq in his mind today and just had to shoot the enemy??? just Guess

But if the uniform is accurate, in conjunction with someone is no longer in the military, carrying a military ID there is a pattern there as it relates to delusions of believing he is still serving in the military.

The uniform could flesh his state of mind out moo

But I saw a pic which I thought was him being arrested and it looked like jeans

 

[drjones]

I guess it is in the interpretation. He said he was 'forced' to fight for ISIS. I interpret that as he felt urges to do so.

Tell me how you interpret the statement that he was being forced to fight for Isis? What does that mean?

to me "forced" implies the exact opposite of "i feel the urge to", coupled with the other story that describes him as saying he heard voices telling him to fight for ISIS, and the story that describes him as struggling with mental illness,and that leads me to be less certain about what happened here.

just to be clear, im not claiming this could not have been an ISIS inspired terrorist attack, im saying that it is completely unproven at this time and debating the evidence for such claims.

 

[NCTeacher]

All that is coming out here in the most recent hours is a bit troubling to me. I teach several students with schizophrenia, but their illness is managed well enough (with meds) that they can function well, but they are consistently monitored. I feel like this guy was asking for help (perhaps he didn't have a dx of schizophrenia, but I think the symptoms that are coming out--and the treatment he was receiving is indicative that something serious is going on), it just seems somehow, somewhere, somebody dropped the ball. I just find myself wondering, why is somebody who sought out the FBI claiming what he claimed just flying, unattended, with guns? It is late, and I am suffering from the worst head cold in the history of human kind so my brain is a complete fog, maybe I'm missing something...

 

[AmyPond]

Ft. Lauderdale Shooter Shouted ‘I’m Not Jewish’, ABC Reports

http://forward.com/fast-forward/359292/ft-lauderdale-shooter-shouted-im-not-jewish-abc-reports/

I take that with a grain of salt. In the same sentence it says he was wearing a uniform, which I don't believe he was.

Also from link - "ABC News did not post any video confirming those reports. MSNBC reported the shooter didn’t say anything as he opened fire."

 

[LaborDayRN]

The young man is reported to have checked into a hospital in Alaska voluntarily for a mental-health evaluation last year after telling authorities he had been hearing voices in his head, some of them urging him to commit acts of violence.

He also is said to have told federal agents he received messages that the U.S government was ordering him to join the terrorist group Islamic State, but there was no indication he acted on that in any way.

http://www.voanews.com/a/fort-lauderdale-florida-airport-shooting-suspect-mental-health/3666838.html

 

[drjones]

He had urges to lash out physically that he did resist. But he also had a few times when he followed through and punched or kicked someone.

Proper meds are a must but that is a constant struggle. When they work great ---he tends to stop taking them because he feels 'fine.' Then he goes off the deep end and starts over again. :sigh:

you have my sympathies, i dont want to argue with you. we will know a lot more soon.

 

[NCTeacher]

Yes it is sad.

But if he had said he killed his wife and baby because the voices in his head made him do it, would we all be as sympathetic right now? Wouldn't we still hold him accountable for his actions?

Katy, I remember chatting with you on the Cooper forums!! If you remember me, you know I got that tender spot in my heart for babies!!! Your comment just made me be very grateful right now that his baby is safe and unharmed. I'm obviously very saddened over the loss of life today, but thankful that (no matter what caused this) his baby was not caught up in what transpired, because he very well could have been.

 

[human]

So how does this work for real? Bags going into bellies of the planes are X-rayed.

So if it is legal to pack a pair of jeans and a .45 caliber gun --in youyr suitcase - what do they do when they are xraying bags down below.

Maybe I am not grasping this right

So I suppose this means that all they are looking for is bombs - they need to catch up here.

Local ABC good grief every passenger in term 2 is being moved to term 3 for integration - e v e r y o n e are for trapped peopleIf it was me I would just wanna get out of there after this why would I want to want for 9 hours to be interviewed for an hour they have to be exhuasted, half of them are not where they are supposed to be, there is money issues., they need baths showers wanna brush their teeth!!

You can bring a gun in your checked luggage, No problemo. You can walk into any airport with a gun, No problemo. There are people who can have guns in their carryon as well,

 

[CARIIS]

CNN is reporting that he declared his gun-- maybe the altercation on the plane triggered something???

Declaring you have a gun and then whipping it out hours later and shooting people is contradictory

I have not heard of terrorists claiming guns and then lying down to be handcuffed - but it certainly does indicate that seems to be changing thoughts very frequently



IMO

 

[CARIIS]

You can bring a gun in your checked luggage, No problemo. You can walk into any airport with a gun, No problemo. There are people who can have guns in their carryon as well,

ugh enough with guns !!

 

[NCTeacher]

I take that with a grain of salt. In the same sentence it says he was wearing a uniform, which I don't believe he was.

Also from link - "ABC News did not post any video confirming those reports. MSNBC reported the shooter didn’t say anything as he opened fire."

I have heard uniform and I have heard Star Wars shirt. :gaah:

 

[CARIIS]

I think she is saying it the other way around, the voices are speaking first, and become so compulsive it becomes an urge to do as the voices command.

another set of delusionsinvolve what are referred to as "command hallucinations," in which a person hears voices telling him or her to commit an act.


People with PTSD sometimes have symptoms of psychosis, such as ... symptoms include such experiences as hallucinations or delusions.

Psychotic symptoms are often present in patients with PTSD (Table 1)[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]2[/SUP][SUP],[/SUP][SUP]8[/SUP][SUP]–[/SUP][SUP]17[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] and one theory is that patients with these symptoms simply have a more severe form ofPTSD – that is PTSD with psychosis. The DSM-V describes within PTSD, symptoms of auditory pseudo hallucinations, more voices, as well as paranoid (the Cia is ordering me) ideation.


Among combat veterans with PTSD, 30% to 40% report auditory or visual hallucinations and/or delusions

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17637580

http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/169/Delusion-Delusional-Disorders.html

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...02&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ptsd and delsuions

Will never forget one pt - who - when clearer! - described it as being between two radio stations - both are fuzzy but both are going on at the same time

 

[rsd1200]

Good question.

I've had friends/family work in the state mental facility near here. They've said that the voices that the schizophrenic patients "hear", to the patients, are clear as a bell, and won't stop often times. The patient will talk back to the voices too. The voices could also change. One day God might be talking to them, and telling them to do things, then, another voice may come to them as the devil (for example). Even w/meds they may still hear the voices. After awhile it takes a toll on the ones in the mental facility so I can only imagine the toll it would take on the ones not under any care.

 

[human]

It is so sad that we say to support troops, but they come back and commit acts of violence or commit suicide.

We are more than willimg to put them in harm's way, but then forget them when they return

 

[Dogface]

It is so sad that we say to support troops, but they come back and commit acts of violence or commit suicide.

We are more than willimg to put them in harm's way, but then forget them when they return

This times a million. We let these young men and women serve us, we train them to identify enemies and to be in a constant state of hypervigiliance. Then we print off a piece of paper, send them home, make them deal with a confusing and often frustrating systemvto get help. Gee, I wonder why many of them struggle so? It's pathetic. IMO, they should be able to walk into any doctors office in this country and have their bill paid.

 

[RainCheck]

Yes it is sad.

But if he had said he killed his wife and baby because the voices in his head made him do it, would we all be as sympathetic right now? Wouldn't we still hold him accountable for his actions?

Yes I would be, and if he truly, honestly suffered from a severe mental illness, the law would be too. There really is such a thing as mentally incompetent.

 

[NCTeacher]

I've had friends/family work in the state mental facility near here. They've said that the voices that the schizophrenic patients "hear", to the patients, are clear as a bell, and won't stop often times. The patient will talk back to the voices too. The voices could also change. One day God might be talking to them, and telling them to do things, then, another voice may come to them as the devil (for example). Even w/meds they may still hear the voices. After awhile it takes a toll on the ones in the mental facility so I can only imagine the toll it would take on the ones not under any care.

Yes, the two I teach "see" things even still with medication, without medication it is (from my understanding) just tragic. I can't imagine being in a situation where my brain is working against me. It must be pure torment because even though they understand the "monster-man" isn't TRULY crawling up the wall--it is what they are seeing, so it is, to their sensory perceptions as real to them as this computer in my lap is real to me.

 

[CARIIS]

Shot some in head point blank

Has some family ties to Union city here in Fl

Second video on this link has a pic of him younger

.....firearm was his only piece of checked luggage, said Jesse Davis, chief of police at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

It this turns out to be true , how on earth could a baggage handler not think something is very strange for someone to check a bag that weighs what 9 onces on a long flight - come on!!

That is obserd IMO

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...ntiago-who-was-fort-lauderdale-409914655.html