FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[pugmom]

CNN has posted a video of his brother being interviewed.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/01/08/florida-shooting-suspect-brother-speaks.cnn

 

[jjenny]

I'm pretty sad for his family too. Especially his little baby and how the child will feel about all of this when they're old enough to understand.

Sounds like the child is much better off with his father locked up somewhere. For one, he stands a better chance of actually surviving (considering the child was reportedly left outside in freezing temperatures by his father). That's not counting the domestic incidents.

 

[jjenny]

OK, didn't know she had one. But if she picked it up, the rest of them will too.

What is the point of spreading goofy conspiracy theories? Hasn't there been enough fake news already?

 

[jjenny]

One in ten people in prison have a military background

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-to-prison-why-veterans-become-criminals.html

If this guy has schizophrenia, then he likely would have developed it regardless of having a military background or not.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do think he will be fit to stand trial. Imo, the agents interrogating him for hours probably found him coherent with cognitive normalcy. The FBI would know already if he was talking like a mentally deranged man and I think they found him to be the opposite and that is why they are going to ask for the death penalty. Before trial the Judge will have him fully evaluated as they do all defendants to make sure they can understand the charges against them and help their attorneys during the hearings and trial. The careful prolonged planning will also be used against him to mitigate he was mentally ill at the time. He would have to be declared mentally insane by criminal judicial standards and I don't think that is going to happen. Everything he did took aforethought and cognitive thinking to carry all of this out.

Someone posted that there are many veterans in our prisons but often being a veteran had absolutely nothing to do with the motive for why they committed violent acts anymore than it did for someone who had worked at a McDonalds in the past or elsewhere etc.. So imoo, just because they were veterans and committed crimes many years later most had nothing to do with them being veterans at sometime in their lives and is very misleading. Of all the murderers there has been the media (especially the MSM liberal media) never prints the murderer/s use to work at McDonalds or some other place. They however jump at the chance when the person happened to be a veteran at some point in time even if it was decades earlier.

At one time in any given year there are over a million people in our military so of course that means there are mulitple millions of veterans in our country who are still living. The vast majority of those who are veterans go on to live a very law abiding productive life.

It will be interesting to see what his computers and all electronic devices reveal and how long he had been planning this massacre. For all we know it could have been in the works even before November of last year.

IMO

 

[Jewels53]

I do think he will be fit to stand trial. Imo, the agents interrogating him for hours probably found him for coherent with cognitive normalcy. The FBI would know already if he was talking like a mentally deranged man and I think they found him to be the opposite and that is why they are going to ask for the death penalty. Before trial the Judge will have him fully evaluated as they do all defendants to make sure they can understand the charges against him and help their attorneys during the hearings and trial. The careful prolonged planning will also be used against him to mitigate he was mentally ill at the time. He would have to be declared mentally insane by criminal judicial standards and I don't think that is going to happen. Everything he did took aforethought and cognitive thinking to carry all of this out.

Someone posted that there are many veterans in our prisons but often being a veteran had absolutely nothing to do with the motive for why they committed violent acts anymore than it did for someone who had worked at a McDonalds in the past or elsewhere etc.. So imoo, just because they were veterans and committed crimes many years later most had nothing to do with them being veterans at sometime in their lives and is very misleading. Of all the murderers there has been the media (especially the MSM liberal media) never prints the murderer/s use to work at McDonalds or some other place. They however jump at the chance when the person happened to be a veteran at some point in time even if it was decades earlier.

At one time in any given year there are over a million people in our military so of course that means there are mulitple millions of veterans in our country who are still living. The vast majority of those who are veterans go on to live a very law abiding productive life.

It will be interesting to see what his computers and all electronic devices reveal and how long he had been planning this massacre. For all we know it could have been in the works even before November of last year.

IMO

I totally agree with you! I believe it is Very Difficult in our country to be declared mentally incompetent. For example right now look at Dylann Roof in the trial in SC, they have had him evaluated several times and declared him competent.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...urch-shooting-Charleston-Dylann-Roof-GUILTY-3

There are many more James Holmes in the CO the Theater Massacre he was declared competent.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?501-Movie-Theater-Massacre-in-Colorado

I could go on and on, there are many case on WS that they tried to claim mental incompetent and couldn't prove. imo and moo

 

[drjones]

Her website.

what is her website? google didnt help me find an official website for her.

 

[CARIIS]

ot

Another truck attack this time Isreal

Caution repulsive

Obviously be careful when clicking on

[video=youtube;9L7EwW5gZmM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L7EwW5gZmM[/video]

 

[flourish]

Okay but McDonald's doesn't train employees to kill people (insert Big Mac joke here). The military frequently does. So a military background could be considered more relevant to criminal acts carried out using skills learned and/or further developed there.

 

[CARIIS]

I totally agree with you! I believe it is Very Difficult in our country to be declared mentally incompetent. For example right now look at Dylann Roof in the trial in SC, they have had him evaluated several times and declared him competent.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...urch-shooting-Charleston-Dylann-Roof-GUILTY-3

There are many more James Holmes in the CO the Theater Massacre he was declared competent.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?501-Movie-Theater-Massacre-in-Colorado

I could go on and on, there are many case on WS that they tried to claim mental incompetent and couldn't prove. imo and moo

moo

Being declared competent has nothing to do with any crime. It does not even discuss the crime. It is focused on someone's ability, years later to follow the legal proceedings.
What does that have to do with the crime??

Can any of US understand the "proceedings"?

The only reason for that is we are using the 1840 version of insanity. we have learned much - people talking to trees are not the only people wherein mental defect IS the primary cause.

You can ask a schizophrenic on some Monday at 8:23 AM "Would it be right or wrong to shoot 13 people in an airport?"

Of course not. Unless the rock tells you to.

6 minutes later:

Yes.

6 minutes later:

I do not know. I will ask Batman.

6 minutes later:

It could be if the Martians said so.

6 minutes later:

No.

We are using notions that mental illness is a stable , chronic, "entity" that is the same across time.

It is IMO, nothing of the sort.

That's its core - erratic, unpredictable, etc.

We IMO need to as a society move from the notion that it is being "used" to avoid responsibility. Being realistic and using mental defect as causation as opposed to avoidance would afford society more willingness to fund it.

Quietly, IMO, it helps folks feel safe (your only in danger if an individual have their clothes on backwards.

The irony here is that endlessly we hear "he seemed so normal" , until we can realize that severe mental illness does look like what it truly is we will continue to throw the mentally ill into jail instead of treatment - where we could learn more and more

We knew nothing about impact of combat on human beings then

It was in the era of the Insane Asylum.

It is based on the The M'Naghten rule. ( established by the English House of Lords in the mid-19th Century,)

The M'Naghten rule is any variant of the 1840s jury instruction in a criminal case when there is ... When mental incapacity is successfully raised as a defence in a criminal trial it absolves a defendant from liability:

Holmes did not meet the 1840 McNautan Rule -yet still believed he was the Joker and murdered many.

Dahmer did not meet the rule and was marinating human body parts for a year.

Wayne Gacy did not the meet the criteria while living above a self-created cementary.

Austin is going to take 4 years to argue if he meets criteria despite being approached by LE who observed him have a cheek sandwhich.

There is a world of difference after a person has been medicated to death; to see if they can attend a trial (requirment- sit in a courtroom for 8 hours).

. It has nothing to do with the mindset of the person two years earlier, when the crime was committed, there IMO is no correlation whatsoever.

Its antiquated. If one pauses for a moment - and reviews , that as a society, we really needed to wonder , if Dahmer , was not mentally ill. Stop for a second , think about it ,THAT is insane IMO!

It is based on Asylum stuff back then

Google images


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_rules


http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/the-m-naghten-rule.html

Google images

 

[CARIIS]

I totally agree with you! I believe it is Very Difficult in our country to be declared mentally incompetent. For example right now look at Dylann Roof in the trial in SC, they have had him evaluated several times and declared him competent.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...urch-shooting-Charleston-Dylann-Roof-GUILTY-3

There are many more James Holmes in the CO the Theater Massacre he was declared competent.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?501-Movie-Theater-Massacre-in-Colorado

I could go on and on, there are many case on WS that they tried to claim mental incompetent and couldn't prove. imo and moo

None of the people who commit the crimes are saying they are incompetent - their lawyers are!!

Trying to "claim" incompetent- look at their actions, eating people, running over people,going into bars and attempted to kill a 101 people, is just alone, meaningful.

Someone walking into some FBI office to discuss CIA brainwashing problems is not connected with reality. There is nothing difficult here.

Austin thought a turtle shell was something ominous. Again , this is not tough stuff.

Its about the crime - not trying to "claim" something.

As sane people we should be able to say that eating people means they need treatment not incarceration.

It is actually pretty simple imo

 

[drjones]

Not providing a link, considering the possibility of " fake news", but a general google search shows this, fwiw...
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Aash...hUKEwi80bCj-bLRAhUm0YMKHSrFC-UQ_AUIBygA&dpr=1

thanx, im aware of the claims being made, i was just wondering what megyn kelly's website is since i couldnt find one other than facebook and twitter

 

[Jewels53]

None of the people who commit the crimes are saying they are incompetent - their lawyers are!!

Trying to "claim" incompetent- look at their actions, eating people, running over people,going into bars and attempted to kill a 101 people, is just alone, meaningful.

Someone walking into some FBI office to discuss CIA brainwashing problems is not connected with reality. There is nothing difficult here.

Austin thought a turtle shell was something ominous. Again , this is not tough stuff.

Its about the crime - not trying to "claim" something.

As sane people we should be able to say that eating people means they need treatment not incarceration.

It is actually pretty simple imo

I am sure they all have mental health issues will just not be classified as mentally incompetent at this point in the conversation. imo and moo

Also medications make mental health a lot different today than it did even back 20-30 yrs ago. Plus diagnosis is different today also, we have more classifications, at least as far as I know. imo

 

[CARIIS]

MOO, but while it is easy to declare a guy like that, in Florida, the authorities prefer to have someone commit themselves versus involuntary committal/declaration, Particularly for a vet with potential PTSD, I can see the POV of encouraging someone to commit themselves versus involuntary committal. And in some states it's still easier to have rights restored after a voluntary committal than an involuntary one.

I am not saying this to offer sympathy to the perp in any way shape or form - I hope he's found capable to stand trial for murder and is sentenced to death for it based on what I have read so far, but from a "system point-of-view" I can understand why the FBI gave a vet, potentially with PTSD, the option of self-committal versus involuntary. Again, MOO

You always try to support them going on their own. Always! There scared , anxious agitated. Not engaging in a power control issue unless they are being directly threatening just escalates everythin.

In addition if you are going to be working with the pt after DC it is helpful to the therapeutic relationship - they don't see you someone who is punishing them,

If one is really feeling and looking at invol as the last resort, and at its core , it is really about caring and compassion- it's actually , a good thing.

After practicing for several and I crossed over into above, I rarely had problems (it did take time and ruined the rest of schedule!) getting folks that I had worked with to invol commit themselves.

Also, the sad reality (porobably no longer $$$$) but back then they stood a better a chance of actually getting a longer stay. After 72 hours you have to let them go.

By that point they had been medicated for three days, had been through this many times, know the rules.

All they have to say I am not going to hurt myself or anyone else and they must be released.

After 72 hours if they saying they are safe it is a huge rigamarole that much happen. to get a longer stay. And it is like in 24 hour increments.

The days of keeping anyone in in-pt long enough to do any good are long long long gone

$$$ and if you have 5 beds, a new admit in admission, and another pt who the docs had sedated to the point where they are slump of humanity on the bed the one in a coma gets DCed-- so you have a place to keep the guy or lady in the front engaging in dangerous behaviors .

Its reality, its no money, its no beds, its no staff, it is shall we say totally messed up - and here we are!

 

[human]

I do think he will be fit to stand trial. Imo, the agents interrogating him for hours probably found him coherent with cognitive normalcy. The FBI would know already if he was talking like a mentally deranged man and I think they found him to be the opposite and that is why they are going to ask for the death penalty. Before trial the Judge will have him fully evaluated as they do all defendants to make sure they can understand the charges against them and help their attorneys during the hearings and trial. The careful prolonged planning will also be used against him to mitigate he was mentally ill at the time. He would have to be declared mentally insane by criminal judicial standards and I don't think that is going to happen. Everything he did took aforethought and cognitive thinking to carry all of this out.

Someone posted that there are many veterans in our prisons but often being a veteran had absolutely nothing to do with the motive for why they committed violent acts anymore than it did for someone who had worked at a McDonalds in the past or elsewhere etc.. So imoo, just because they were veterans and committed crimes many years later most had nothing to do with them being veterans at sometime in their lives and is very misleading. Of all the murderers there has been the media (especially the MSM liberal media) never prints the murderer/s use to work at McDonalds or some other place. They however jump at the chance when the person happened to be a veteran at some point in time even if it was decades earlier.

At one time in any given year there are over a million people in our military so of course that means there are mulitple millions of veterans in our country who are still living. The vast majority of those who are veterans go on to live a very law abiding productive life.

It will be interesting to see what his computers and all electronic devices reveal and how long he had been planning this massacre. For all we know it could have been in the works even before November of last year.

IMO

Yes, being in the military is the exact point. I am so saddened about reading about vets and the issues they suffer. The suicide rate is astronomical.

I am sick of hearing, Support the Troops.

It is way past time America addresses the mental health of vets. It is beyond shameful the way they are treated

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Can a mod check the
Independent Sentinel
Or US Defense Watch and see if either fit into MSM terms?

It seems like no MSM will report on it. Perhaps they will in 2 weeks!

 

[Inthedetails]

At first I thought this was an unhinged response to an argument on the flight. But that argument seems to have been a false lead. (?) Now, it seems as if he was planning this attack for awhile, or least before he boarded the airplane.

It's probably fruitless to try to understand the thought processes of an unstable person, but I am thinking that his goal (or one of his goals) was to end up in prison. He did what he did to get into jail.

I have a couple of working theories why he would want to go to jail, though, I have no clue what he really was thinking, of course. I do think he spiraled down in the past year or so. Whether that spiral was because he couldn't handle adult life, he was mentally unhealthy, or because he sort of gave up on everyday life and had other plans for his future, I don't know. But I am thinking that his plan included going to jail.

jmo

 

[Tawny]

I think I missed a link or something. Can someone point me to the reports where it states he was planning this for a while? TIA!

 

[Inthedetails]

Video of the shooter walking in the baggage claim area and then abruptly pulling out his gun and shooting.

Heartbreaking to see the woman behind him - startled and then trying to hide behind a luggage cart. She reminds me of my mom and I hate to think of those passengers - regular folks, many on their way to a cruise vacation - being so suddenly scared for their lives.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...le-airport-shooting-emerges-article-1.2940083

 

[Momoffourboys]

I think I missed a link or something. Can someone point me to the reports where it states he was planning this for a while? TIA!

Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter had been planning attack for some time

http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/family-shooting-suspect-lost-his-mind-after-tour-in-iraq