FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[human]

Suicide rate for vets. 20 a day.

Suicide by cop? But why kill others?

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2016/07/07/va-suicide-20-daily-research/86788332/

 

[Momoffourboys]

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Per court documents and a federal affidavit, Santiago admitted to planning the attack, buying a one-way ticket to the airport and checking a box with a Walther 9 mm semiautomatic handgun and the two ammunition magazines he used in the shooting. Per court records, he also stated that he later loaded his Walther handgun in a bathroom at the airport and "shot the first people he encountered" after coming out.[41][42]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fort_Lauderdale_airport_shooting

 

[dotr]

Video of the shooter walking in the baggage claim area and then abruptly pulling out his gun and shooting.

Heartbreaking to see the woman behind him - startled and then trying to hide behind a luggage cart. She reminds me of my mom and I hate to think of those passengers - regular folks, many on their way to a cruise vacation - being so suddenly scared for their lives.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...le-airport-shooting-emerges-article-1.2940083

Feeling especially sorry ( besides the direct victims ) for all the travelers stuck in limbo, must be unbelievable difficult for those traveling with children.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fort-lauderdale-stranded-missing-1.3926563

Florida shooting survivors stranded after losing luggage and IDs in the chaos


Temporary IDs issued after travellers lose 25,000 items in Fort Lauderdale airport rampage

Dan and Janice Kovacs and their two children were passing through airport security when the gunfire erupted. They were shoeless — with wallets, passports and carry-on items chugging along a conveyer belt — when they sprang into the mass of people running to safety.

Now the Vancouver family are among the stranded travellers at Fort Lauderdale trying to recover what the airport director says are 25,000 pieces of luggage, cellphones and other belongings separated from their owners during Friday's shooting rampage.
"We have no IDs, we have no passports, no money," Janice, 39, said Saturday afternoon, wearing sandals borrowed from a brother-in-law. "We just had to leave our stuff and run."
"All our stuff is being processed. We might not even get that until Monday. I have an 11-year-old who is freaking out. This has been traumatic for her," she said.

Richard Lanbry, his wife and 15-year-old daughter were about to board a plane home for Montreal when the shooting began. Amid the commotion, he was separated from the other two and frantically searched for them for about an hour.
"I was pushed down, my wife was pushed down too. It was violent ... people screaming, people crying, old and young. It was very scary," said the 61-year-old, who was vacationing in Pompano Beach.
On top of that, they now have no luggage, no keys to their home and no coats or sweaters to wear once they arrive in chilly Montreal, only the T-shirts they were wearing the day before.

rbbm.

 

[human]

Feeling especially sorry ( besides the direct victims ) for all the travelers stuck in limbo, must be unbelievable difficult for those traveling with children.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fort-lauderdale-stranded-missing-1.3926563



rbbm.

I think people will be able to buy replacement clothes. There should be hotel accomodations although at this time of year there may not be many vacancies.

They should be able to be transported to another city for accomodations.

I am sure some people had their dream vacations turn into a nightmare. I hope people can get counseling

 

[dotr]

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2017/01/08/22695569.html

Warning: The video in this story may be disturbing to some readers!
The 22-second video, which appears to be security camera footage, shows people walking through the baggage claim of an area airport when a bearded man pulls a gun out of his waistband and starts shooting off-screen. On the second shot, he starts to run and gets a third shot off before running out of frame. People behind him then dive for cover

[video=youtube;TC32b8FA_qs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC32b8FA_qs[/video]

 

[AmyPond]

Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter had been planning attack for some time

http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/family-shooting-suspect-lost-his-mind-after-tour-in-iraq

From above link...

[FONT=&quot]Investigators believe he was planning to carry out his attack for some time, law enforcement officials told CNN on Saturday.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Santiago recently began selling his possessions, including his car, and friends and associates noticed more erratic behavior, investigators have learned from interviews with those who know him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Authorities are examining writings, including online posts, that in retrospect appear to indicate some period of planning, law enforcement officials said.[/FONT]

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Per court documents and a federal affidavit, Santiago admitted to planning the attack, buying a one-way ticket to the airport and checking a box with a Walther 9 mm semiautomatic handgun and the two ammunition magazines he used in the shooting. Per court records, he also stated that he later loaded his Walther handgun in a bathroom at the airport and "shot the first people he encountered" after coming out.[41][42]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fort_Lauderdale_airport_shooting

Based on the video, that isn't entirely true, it seems. It looks like he was walking along a while before deciding to open fire.

 

[AmyPond]

I would like to see video of him surrendering or whatever supposedly happened at the end.

Also video of him getting off the plane, getting his bag, going in and out of restroom. Would like to see his demeanor.

 

[dotr]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/f...l-war-terrorism-medal/67aXIIETN1JMPvs5pZWkwL/

Fort Lauderdale airport shooter earned Global War on Terrorism medal

Esteban Santiago, who military records show also went by Esteban Santiago-Ruiz

Awards Santiago received during his time with the military:

• Army Commendation Medal
• Army Good Conduct Medal
• National Defense Service Medal
• Iraq Campaign Medal with campaign star
• Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
• Armed Forces Reserve Medal w/ “M” Device
• Army Service Ribbon
• Overseas Service Ribbon
• Combat Action Badge
• Driver and Mechanic Badge- Wheeled Vehicle

Santiago’s assignments:

• April 2008 to November 2008: Puerto Rico National Guard
• November 2008 to March 2009: Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri
• March 2009 to March 2010: Puerto Rico National Guard
• March 2010 to April 2011: Fort Dix, New Jersey
• April 2011 to February 2014: Puerto Rico National Guard
• February 2014 to November 2014: Inactive Ready Reserve
• November 2014 to August 2016: Alaska National Guard
• August 2016: transferred to Inactive Ready Reserve

 

[jjenny]

Suicide rate for vets. 20 a day.

Suicide by cop? But why kill others?

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2016/07/07/va-suicide-20-daily-research/86788332/

He clearly was not going for suicide by cop. After he was done shooting, he reportedly laid down to show that he isn't a threat anymore. If he wanted to be killed by cop, he would have been pointing his gun at the cops, not making it obvious he was no longer a threat.

 

[Inthedetails]

He clearly was not going for suicide by cop. After he was done shooting, he reportedly laid down to show that he isn't a threat anymore. If he wanted to be killed by cop, he would have been pointing his gun at the cops, not making it obvious he was no longer a threat.

Exactly. I don't think he wanted to die. I think we wanted to get into prison and be there for a long time. Why? Not sure.

jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay but McDonald's doesn't train employees to kill people (insert Big Mac joke here). The military frequently does. So a military background could be considered more relevant to criminal acts carried out using skills learned and/or further developed there.

It isn't a joke. Its the truth. The murderers who worked at McDonalds and murdered someone with a firearm their victims are just as dead. Most all who have been a member of the military and are/were veterans never commit crimes whatsoever. Even human's link said only 1 and 10 incarcerated are veterans even though there are many millions of veterans in our country, thank goodness. Most of the cases where veterans have murdered them being veterans are as irrelevant as someone working at McDonalds or was a doctor or a lawyer. Being in the military is no different than any other profession and all professions have had murderers in them.. including countless murderers that have never worked a legal job in their lives..

That is really a misnomer. During boot camp (11 to 13 weeks) they are taught physical fitness training, respect, honor, discipline. and yes they have to know how to shoot a weapon, but unless their MOS is infantry were they will be in combat they do not have extensive training on how to defend themselves from the enemy. There is no need for such extended training if they are not in combat positions where they may be on a battlefield and where their MOS are altogether different. They may be in transportation or an airplane/helicopter mechanic, pilot, medics, doctors computers techs, electricians, air conditioning repairmen/women and various other thousands of MOS positions which are held in the military.

There are far more civilians who have never been in the military whatsoever who have been taught how to shoot a firearm and be an ace shot.

As I stated many of the 1 in 10 who are in prison (for all types of offenses) did not commit their criminal acts because they were once in the military.. If it really was a factor then millions upon millions of veterans who have been in the military at some point would be doing the majority of crimes since millions are veterans in our country. Gangbangers can shoot just as well as anyone and so can anyone else who has been around guns all of their lives who have hunted game. Yet there are way more gang murders in our country than those ever done by those who served our country in the military. The veterans incarcerated for murdering someone cant begin to even compare to the others who have been and are locked up in our prisons. Anyone can kill someone with a gun if that is their motivation to do so as we see all too well in places like Chicago where firearm homicides are soaring and thousands wounded from gunfire in one year. And numerous other cases discussed right here on WS where the murderers were never in the military yet used a firearm to kill the victim/s.

James Holmes wasn't in the military nor Adam Lanza or Dylan Roof nor Omar Mateen and so many more just like them yet they murdered numerous victims using a firearm/s.

This guy being in the military had nothing to do with why he went and murdered and injured multiple people. It is always the individual mindset of the individual murderer which puts these massacres in play and always will be..regardless of their profession and even if they never had one.

 

[RainCheck]

Sounds like the child is much better off with his father locked up somewhere. For one, he stands a better chance of actually surviving (considering the child was reportedly left outside in freezing temperatures by his father). That's not counting the domestic incidents.

I think you missed the point. I'm certainly not implying the child is not safer. What I'm saying is the child might not feel great when they find out what their father did. How would you feel if you were a child and found out who your father was and what he has done? Children can be cruel. They may tease the child asking if they are crazy too, etc. I saw an interview with a girl who's father was a serial killer and she said other children could be mean to her about it. Children want to look up to their parents and be proud of them. It would be somewhat painful to have a parent who had done something so horrible.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think you missed the point. I'm certainly not implying the child is not safer. What I'm saying is the child might not feel great when they find out what their father did. How would you feel if you were a child and found out who your father was and what he has done? Children can be cruel. They may tease the child asking if they are crazy too, etc. I saw an interview with a girl who's father was a serial killer and she said other children could be mean to her about it. Children want to look up to their parents and be proud of them. It would be somewhat painful to have a parent who had done something so horrible.

Fortunately his child is a newborn and his mom has years to distance him from this incident. There is hope that by the time he encounters schoolmates, none of them will know anything about this incident, especially if he uses a different last name than the shooter.

But, yes, this is a heavy burden to put on a child, to grow up the offspring of a killer.

jmo

 

[RainCheck]

It isn't a joke. Its the truth. Most all who have been a member of the military and are/were veterans never commit crimes whatsoever. Even human's link said only 1 and 10 incarcerated are veterans even though there are many millions of veterans in our country, thank goodness. Most of the cases where veterans have murdered them being veterans are as irrelevant as someone working at McDonalds or was a doctor or a lawyer. Being in the military is no different than any other profession and all professions have had murderers in them.

That is really a misnomer. During boot camp (11 to 13 weeks) they are taught physical fitness training, respect, honor, discipline. and yes they have to know how to shoot a weapon, but unless their MOS is infantry were they will be in combat they do not have extensive training on how to defend themselves from the enemy. There is no need for such extended training if they are not in combat positions where they may be on a battlefied and where their MOS are altogether different. They may be in transportation or an airplane/helicopter mechanic, pilot, computers techs, electricians, air conditioning repairmen/women and various other thousands of MOS positions which are held in the military.

There are far more civilians who have never been in the military whatsoever who have been taught how to shoot a firearm and be an ace shot.

As I stated many of the 1 in 10 who are in prison (for all types of offenses) did not commit their criminal acts because they were once in the military.. If it really was a factor then millions upon millions of veterans who have been in the military at some point would be doing the majority of crimes since millions are veterans in our country. Gangbangers can shoot just as well as anyone and so can anyone else who has been around guns all of their lives who have hunted game. Yet there are way more gang murders in our country than those done by those who served our country in the military. The veterans incarcerated for murdering someone cant begin to even compare to the others who have been and are locked up in our prisons. Anyone can kill someone with a gun if that is their motivation to do so as we see all too well in places like Chicago where firearm homicides are soaring and thousands wounded from gunfire. And numerous other cases discussed right here on WS where the murderers were never in the military yet used a firearm to kill the victim/s.

James Holmes wasn't in the military nor Adam Lanza or Dylan Roof nor Omar Mateen and so many more just like them yet they murdered numerous victims using a firearm/s.

This guy being in the military had nothing to do with why he went and murdered and injured multiple people. It is always the individual mindset of the individual murderer which puts these massacres in play and always will be.

I don't think you can say it had nothing to do with it. It certainly may have shaped him in some way. I know my boyfriend was a completely different person after he got back from Afganistan. He had never once in all the years we were together hurt me, raised his voice to me or scared or intimidated me in anyway. Within a week of him being back, he picked me up by my throat and slammed me against a wall. I locked myself in the bathroom and he sat on the other side alternating between laughing and crying telling me he'd never hurt me. One of the other guys he was deployed with committed suicide by driving his motorcycle into a wall. They were given no help after returning. No time to adjust back to civilian life. No skills to manage the transition. It was horrible!

My ex is fine now and recently retired from the military, but he was a very strong person, leveled headed man, with no underlying mental health issues, but it doesn't turn out so well for them all.

 

[drjones]

he was a 12B - combat engineer, which is a front lines combat role

demolition, explosives, forging travel routes and establishing combat positions

or a grunt with a shovel if you are less sympathetic

 

[Inthedetails]

he was a 12B - combat engineer, which is a front lines combat role

demolition, explosives, forging travel routes and establishing combat positions

or a grunt with a shovel if you are less sympathetic

And he had two buddies die in front of him by grenade.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And he had two buddies die in front of him by grenade.

There have been thousands of soldiers and marines who have seen their buddies killed or torn apart yet they are resorting to committing mass murder on totally innocent people. Millions of our vets who were in wars have seen the same horrific things and they are trying to commit mass murder on anyone.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

he was a 12B - combat engineer, which is a front lines combat role

demolition, explosives, forging travel routes and establishing combat positions

or a grunt with a shovel if you are less sympathetic

He wasn't a Marine so he cant be called a grunt which is a Marine in infantry on the frontlines.

 

[Tawny]

There have been thousands of soldiers and marines who have seen their buddies killed or torn apart yet they are resorting to committing mass murder on totally innocent people. Millions of our vets who were in wars have seen the same horrific things and they are trying to commit mass murder on anyone.

The point is: Combine war trauma with possible schizophrenic tendencies, and he isn't like other schizophrenics nor is he like other war veterans. He's a crockpot of disaster that was either ignored (because it's uncomfortable for people when someone begins acting strange/erratic, so we ignore it, pretend it's all ok and it's just a phase, he'll be alright) or pushed off to be someone else's problem. It was likely easier to chapter him out of the NG than it was to get him actual mental help. He TOLD the FBI he was being "told" to fight for ISIS. They should have been watching him very closely but for some reason, he fell through the cracks. The took him to a facility and they assumed it would be taken care of (my guess).

Is he to blame for his actions? Obviously, yes. But this was absolutely preventable. From top to bottom.

 

[Tawny]

He wasn't a Marine so he cant be called a grunt which is a Marine in infantry on the frontlines.

Grunt is a term for foot soldier. It's not specific to Marines.