FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[Deleted member 117884]

That is what I thought. But I also remember something about LE blowing up some luggage that was thought to be his, just in case...

Yes, I forgot about that! Was it carry on or checked, do we know?

 

[human]

It was reported he had a locked box. He did probably leave it in the bathroom.

Surprised TSA had no questions about him traveling with only a weapon---no baggage.

There should also be a way to check the military ID to see if it is valid. If they knew he was discharged, not honorably, and had pending DV charges, and had no luggage, just a weapon, could they have done something differently?


ETA__NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT___DIDNT LE BLOW UP HIS LUGGAGE YESTERDAY?

How would TSA know how much baggage he has? You can even check your baggage curbside.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I forgot about that! Was it carry on or checked, do we know?

Yet it has been reported that his gun was his sole baggage item.
So maybe whatever LE blew up wasn't even his baggage. Or just an empty bag.

 

[jjenny]

How would TSA know how much baggage he has? You can even check your baggage curbside.

Baggage is tracked. How else would anybody know what airline to put it onto? His baggage would have to have a tracking label attached to it.

 

[katydid23]

How would TSA know how much baggage he has? You can even check your baggage curbside.

Whomever checked his weapon also checked his luggage, I presume.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Yet it has been reported that his gun was his sole baggage item.
So maybe whatever LE blew up wasn't even his baggage. Or just an empty bag.

Perhaps the bag he used to store the gun? He's not carrying the gun in a case in the video - so he must have dumped it in the bathroom??

I do wonder what else he traveled with as that would be a clue as to his intentions (maybe).

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

It was reported he had a locked box. He did probably leave it in the bathroom.

Surprised TSA had no questions about him traveling with only a weapon---no baggage.

There should also be a way to check the military ID to see if it is valid. If they knew he was discharged, not honorably, and had pending DV charges, and had no luggage, just a weapon, could they have done something differently?


ETA__NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT___DIDNT LE BLOW UP HIS LUGGAGE YESTERDAY?[/QUOTE]

Not sure if yesterday or the day before, but I remember reading that as well, I can't find a link to it now.

 

[human]

Whomever checked his weapon also checked his luggage, I presume.

TSA has nothing to do with checking in luggage.

 

[katydid23]

Not sure if yesterday or the day before, but I remember reading that as well, I can't find a link to it now.

Yes, I remember hearing it on CNN---they were blowing a piece of luggage up---- in case it was a bomb I suppose. There were 20thousand suitcases left strewn about---wonder why they blew that particular one up?

Must have been the one he left in the bathroom?

 

[katydid23]

TSA has nothing to do with checking in luggage.

I shouldn't have said TSA. Just meant that whomever checked in his weapon would have noticed he had no other luggage. I'd find that odd.

 

[human]

Baggage is tracked. How else would anybody know what airline to put it onto? His baggage would have to have a tracking label attached to it.

That is not done by TSA. It is done at the airline desk it you check in there. Or curbside, the person takes your luggage away. The best service ever

 

[RainCheck]

There have been thousands of soldiers and marines who have seen their buddies killed or torn apart yet they are resorting to committing mass murder on totally innocent people. Millions of our vets who were in wars have seen the same horrific things and they are trying to commit mass murder on anyone.

And thousands commit suicide, murder their spouses and/or children, kill law enforcement, commit mass shooting, end up homeless and hopeless. Please don't down play mental health issues experienced by many combat veterans. It's complete offensive to me in so many ways. Highest rate of suicide is military veterans.

Here are some statistics on the epidemic of violent crimes committed by veterans with PTSD. http://www.apadivisions.org/division-19/publications/newsletters/military/2014/04/ptsd.aspx

 

[human]

I shouldn't have said TSA. Just meant that whomever checked in his weapon would have noticed he had no other luggage. I'd find that odd.

Why? A lot of business people go with just a laptop as they stay the day. Or they have other daily business. If he bought a ticket 72 hours before, that should have gotten him an additional screening

 

[katydid23]

Why? A lot of business people go with just a laptop as they stay the day. Or they have other daily business. If he bought a ticket 72 hours before, that should have gotten him an additional screening

He is going to fly from Alaska to Florida just to stay the day? With only his weapon?


I have flown from LA to SF for just the day, several times. But that is a 45 minute flight.

Delta from Anchorage to Ft Lauderdale is 12 hour flight.

 

[Elley Mae]

"The suspect had only checked one item, a handgun case and no luggage," said Jesse Davis, the police chief of the Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

Santiago's brother said they have family in Florida but had no idea why he was there — or why he allegedly went on a shooting spree.

bbm

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...t-complained-hearing-voices-officials-n704081

Piro, of the FBI's Miami division, said Friday night that investigators are not aware of any incident that occurred on the flight or in the baggage claim area before Santiago opened fire.


He joined the Puerto Rico National Guard in December 2007, and served in Iraq from April 2010 to February 2011 as a combat engineer, according to the Alaska National Guard.


It had been 5 years since his return from iraq.

 

[Tillicum]

Obviously he was a danger. He left his newborn in a freezing car. He owned a deadly weapon . He told the FBI he was being forced by the govt to fight for ISIS. Of course he was a danger, to himself and others. But they still denied him a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia.

So maybe they did not think he was mentally ill. He might have just been a dangerous character for other reasons, not because he was sick.

Trying to catch up. Has this been posted yet?

(Previously, authorities said Santiago also left a newborn in the car, but Anchorage FBI spokeswoman Staci Feger-Pellessier walked that back Sunday, saying Santiago had his child with him when he walked into the FBI office, and "the child was in constant custody and care of the FBI, inside our facility, until his mother retrieved him.")

CNN

 

[karen in New York]

I was watching CBS live feed as the situation developed. That network had the video but refused to show it because it was too graphic. I don't recall whether they said it was the security feed or passenger video clips but they repeatedly told viewers they would not show the grpahic video but instead said what was on it.

 

[dotr]

http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Sa...efore-Florida-shooting-rampage-409989405.html

ANCHORAGE (KTUU) - UPDATE:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said Sunday information released by Anchorage Police Department about Santiago's child was incorrect.
In a written statement, FBI spokesperson Staci Feger-Pellessie said Santiago's child was not left inside the car when Santiago came to the FBI's Anchorage office.
"The child was in constant custody and care of the FBI, inside our facility, until his mother retrieved him," Feger-Pellessie said.

 

[dotr]

I was watching CBS live feed as the situation developed. That network had the video but refused to show it because it was too graphic. I don't recall whether they said it was the security feed or passenger video clips but they repeatedly told viewers they would not show the grpahic video but instead said what was on it.

Although one might expect TMZ photographers, ect. might be working the airport anyway watching for celebs ect. on Florida vacations, imo,speculation.
http://www.samoaobserver.ws/en/09_0...-it-says-depicts-Florida-airport-shooting.htm

TMZ does not say where it obtained the video, although it appears to be from a surveillance camera.

 

[Tawny]

I see no reason why checked weapons can not be taken to a secure check-in ounce received at receiving airport, the weapon would then be given to the owner once ID is shown that the person is the owner and the weapon and the person are escorted out of the airport. When I purchased a long gun at a bass pro store after a wait period of 24 hours, (because it was the grand opening) they wanted to make sure their computer system was operating correctly, I was then escorted out of the store, and the gun was not loaded. jmo

After he's escorted out, what's to stop this person from walking in another door in another area and doing this anyway? I get what you're trying to say, but it's one of those things that are easy to get around. I do think checked weapons should be claimed in a separate area, but only to prevent theft IMHO.

Why did he tell the FBI that he planned this for awhile?

Possibly because he's mentally disturbed and had already told them once he heard voices telling him to do it.

It was reported he had a locked box. He did probably leave it in the bathroom.

Surprised TSA had no questions about him traveling with only a weapon---no baggage.

There should also be a way to check the military ID to see if it is valid. If they knew he was discharged, not honorably, and had pending DV charges, and had no luggage, just a weapon, could they have done something differently?


ETA__NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT___DIDNT LE BLOW UP HIS LUGGAGE YESTERDAY?

The FBI should've been on top of this from the moment he walked in their door. They let him slip through the cracks, they should have been alerted any time he was about to travel. There are 3 year olds flagged for vetting through the no-fly list because of possible name matches with known terrorists, but they let a man who TOLD them he had these voices saying to do something violent and they were like "welp *shrug*". MAJOR failure. Completely preventable. No matter what his motivation was, whether he's crazy or not, the FBI 100% failed. Full stop.

all jmo