FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[human]

He is going to fly from Alaska to Florida just to stay the day? With only his weapon?


I have flown from LA to SF for just the day, several times. But that is a 45 minute flight.

Delta from Anchorage to Ft Lauderdale is 12 hour flight.[/QUOTE

When we got our luggage taken by the curbside, I think the next thing we did eas go through screening. No one knew how much luggage we had. But I fly so much that the trips get confusing.

The last couple of times we were chosen for prescreening and put in a separate line that did not have to do shoes or open laptops or take off jackets.

I notice sometimes the amount of luggage . Many people have none.

He started in Alaska so maybe the people tnere thought he had beach stuff in Florida. Who knows. There are all kinds of travellers

 

[katydid23]

After he's escorted out, what's to stop this person from walking in another door in another area and doing this anyway? I get what you're trying to say, but it's one of those things that are easy to get around. I do think checked weapons should be claimed in a separate area, but only to prevent theft IMHO.



Possibly because he's mentally disturbed and had already told them once he heard voices telling him to do it.



The FBI should've been on top of this from the moment he walked in their door. They let him slip through the cracks, they should have been alerted any time he was about to travel. There are 3 year olds flagged for vetting through the no-fly list because of possible name matches with known terrorists, but they let a man who TOLD them he had these voices saying to do something violent and they were like "welp *shrug*". MAJOR failure. Completely preventable. No matter what his motivation was, whether he's crazy or not, the FBI 100% failed. Full stop.

all jmo

I agree. They knew about the Boston Bombing brothers as well. And let them off the hook. And they could have flagged the San Bernardino shooters when they went through their marriage visa process-since she had evidence on her FB that she was a Jihadist.

But I should give the FBI some slack because I don't believe they have the resources or manpower to truly follow through on the enormous caseload they are dealing with.

If they send a man to a mental hospital and the doctors say 'he is AOK' to leave---then what can the FBI do at that point? CARIIS says it can take years to get someone mentally adjudicated. So what is the FBI supposed to do in that case?

 

[Tawny]

I agree. They knew about the Boston Bombing brothers as well. And let them off the hook. And they could have flagged the San Bernardino shooters when they went through their marriage visa process-since she had evidence on her FB that she was a Jihadist.

But I should give the FBI some slack because I don't believe they have the resources or manpower to truly follow through on the enormous caseload they are dealing with.

If they send a man to a mental hospital and the doctors say 'he is AOK' to leave---then what can the FBI do at that point? CARIIS says it can take years to get someone mentally adjudicated. So what is the FBI supposed to do in that case?

 

[katydid23]

Although one might expect TMZ photographers, ect. might be working the airport anyway watching for celebs ect. on Florida vacations, imo,speculation.
http://www.samoaobserver.ws/en/09_0...-it-says-depicts-Florida-airport-shooting.htm

They absolutely do end up hanging out in airports looking for celebs. They are always at LAX. I think they would only be hanging in Ft Lauderdale if they had a heads up that someone was coming through there though.

 

[human]

They absolutely do end up hanging out in airports looking for celebs. They are always at LAX. I think they would only be hanging in Ft Lauderdale if they had a heads up that someone was coming through there though.

LAX is huuuuuuge. Where would they station themselves?

 

[Inthedetails]

They absolutely do end up hanging out in airports looking for celebs. They are always at LAX. I think they would only be hanging in Ft Lauderdale if they had a heads up that someone was coming through there though.

The video TMZ released looks like security video, not paparazzi video. I am curious where got it.

 

[DatelineFan]

I just left a friend's house. An acquaintance of mine was there. He was in another terminal during the shooting! One of his close friends is the man who was saved by the laptop in his backpack! It's such a small world, and this tragedy is far-reaching.

ETA - he's back in San Francisco now, and safe but shaken up. Still hasn't received his luggage, or information about getting it.

 

[MaryG12]

A truly sickening incident - I don't know when it is going to stop.

My family always vacationed in FT Lauderdale during the summer every year but we always drove down from CT, never took the plane.

Utterly tragic.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just left a friend's house. An acquaintance of mine was there. He was in another terminal during the shooting! One of his close friends is the man who was saved by the laptop in his backpack! It's such a small world, and this tragedy is far-reaching.

ETA - he's back in San Francisco now, and safe but shaken up. Still hasn't received his luggage, or information about getting it.

Wow!!

 

[MaryG12]

He is going to fly from Alaska to Florida just to stay the day? With only his weapon?


I have flown from LA to SF for just the day, several times. But that is a 45 minute flight.

Delta from Anchorage to Ft Lauderdale is 12 hour flight.[/QUOTE

When we got our luggage taken by the curbside, I think the next thing we did eas go through screening. No one knew how much luggage we had. But I fly so much that the trips get confusing.

The last couple of times we were chosen for prescreening and put in a separate line that did not have to do shoes or open laptops or take off jackets.

I notice sometimes the amount of luggage . Many people have none.

He started in Alaska so maybe the people tnere thought he had beach stuff in Florida. Who knows. There are all kinds of travellers

My absolute biggest complaint about living in Florida this time of year is that transients (including those with criminal backgrounds) from all over come down here.


Last year we had members of a Chicago crime ring down here, plus an 80 year-old convict from Missouri who was arrested after a car accident, and the car was stained with blood.


And that is just 2 cited cases there are plenty more in the local news.

 

[katydid23]

LAX is huuuuuuge. Where would they station themselves?

They tend to roam. But they have lots of unpaid interns that cruise around and call in to the cameras if they see a celeb. They also look for limos and expensive cars at the pick up points. SOME celebs call in themselves, to get pix on tv.

 

[drjones]

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/08/u...ban-santiago-schizophrenia-military.html?_r=0

“The delusions, the hallucinations are far more consistent with psychosis than PTSD,” said Dr. Donald C. Goff, a psychiatrist at New York University and a leading expert on schizophrenia. “So is the timing of the onset.”

“There is nothing to say that a person can’t have psychosis and PTSD,” said Claude M. Chemtob, a professor of psychology at New York University who has studied the link between PTSD and aggression. But, he said, the two disorders are characterized by different symptoms."

"PTSD sufferers can struggle with anxiety, sleeplessness, flashbacks and anger. In rare cases, the disorder results in increased violence and aggressiveness. But paranoid delusions are not typical."

 

[CARIIS]

After he's escorted out, what's to stop this person from walking in another door in another area and doing this anyway? I get what you're trying to say, but it's one of those things that are easy to get around. I do think checked weapons should be claimed in a separate area, but only to prevent theft IMHO.



Possibly because he's mentally disturbed and had already told them once he heard voices telling him to do it.



The FBI should've been on top of this from the moment he walked in their door. They let him slip through the cracks, they should have been alerted any time he was about to travel. There are 3 year olds flagged for vetting through the no-fly list because of possible name matches with known terrorists, but they let a man who TOLD them he had these voices saying to do something violent and they were like "welp *shrug*". MAJOR failure. Completely preventable. No matter what his motivation was, whether he's crazy or not, the FBI 100% failed. Full stop.

all jmo

They did what they can legally do. Its easy in hindsight. They looked for ties to terror and they found none.

Having people adjudicated mental , or locked up because someone who is obviously in distress claims the Cia is controlling can not have their liberties taken, cause in hindsight we all know what he did.

Folks have this notion that there are places to put the severely mentally ill-- there are not- they were all let out

policy that led to the release of most of the nation's mentally ill patients from the hospital to the community is now widely regarded as a major failure.

cost-conscious policy makers,

Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so.

was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amounts of tax revenues were being used to support the state mental hospitals, and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as ''snake pits'' or facilities that few people wanted.

They closed em






Put it in the same context as many who declare its their right to have firearms - same thing - we just don't go around doing this stuff.

Same with Omar - they checked it out and found it bogus claims to terrorism.

What else were they supposed to do when data indicates that his problem is delusions not ISIS?

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

 

[jagdpanther3]

How many commenting on stats of military members were actually in the military here?

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[CARIIS]

I think the media needs to do a reality check. They are reporting he planned it .

They are taking this as fact from a person who reported that the CIA is forcing him to do things.

Same mouth and brain!

I do not understand how officials believe this stuff.

Was the same with Omar - he repeatedly told people he friends with Boston dudes - proven untrue by FBI.


They were interviewing a person that obviously has issues , has been away from a bed (real sleep) for hours and hours and hours but they say he says he planned it.

The CIA is after me . I planned this. They need to consider their source!! moo

Thats nuts IMO -

 

[cuffem]

They did what they can legally do. Its easy in hindsight. They looked for ties to terror and they found none.

Having people adjudicated mental , or locked up because someone who is obviously in distress claims the Cia is controlling can not have their liberties taken, cause in hindsight we all know what he did.

Folks have this notion that there are places to put the severely mentally ill-- there are not- they were all let out

policy that led to the release of most of the nation's mentally ill patients from the hospital to the community is now widely regarded as a major failure.

cost-conscious policy makers,

Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so.

was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amounts of tax revenues were being used to support the state mental hospitals, and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as ''snake pits'' or facilities that few people wanted.

They closed em






Put it in the same context as many who declare its their right to have firearms - same thing - we just don't go around doing this stuff.

Same with Omar - they checked it out and found it bogus claims to terrorism.

What else were they supposed to do when data indicates that his problem is delusions not ISIS?

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

I recall the closing of Dorothea Dix Hospital in downtown Raleigh (prime real estate) a few years ago,they moved patients to Butner,NC out in the boonies and there was not enough beds for all the patients.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_Dix_Hospital

 

[CARIIS]

It was reported he had a locked box. He did probably leave it in the bathroom.

Surprised TSA had no questions about him traveling with only a weapon---no baggage.

There should also be a way to check the military ID to see if it is valid. If they knew he was discharged, not honorably, and had pending DV charges, and had no luggage, just a weapon, could they have done something differently?


ETA__NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT___DIDNT LE BLOW UP HIS LUGGAGE YESTERDAY?[/QUOTE]

Not sure if yesterday or the day before, but I remember reading that as well, I can't find a link to it now.

We just don't have the money or resources to do all the things that are being thrown out by the media.

Noone is "thinking" about how many bags one travels with. Half the time the pickles are not on ones Whopper.

Cooperate AMerica has robbed most of dignity in their jobs - most dont care any longer. Everywhere is under staffed for profit.

This notion that some clerk behind an airline counter who is clearing $ 1600 a month is a dedicated worker are too hopeful I am afraid.

We have all been in airports - they are a zoo - Disney handles crowds better than the TSA!

Everytime this happens they all do the media circus and then do nothing

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...v=2&ie=UTF-8#q=pay of airline ticketing agent
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...v=2&ie=UTF-8#q=pay of airline ticketing agent

 

[CARIIS]

I am actually glad to hear that. I wondered earlier today why a celebrity gossip site that that video. Paid someone for it??

Interesting development.

jmo

That is actually a really point. Talk about security!

 

[dotr]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fo...-airport-shootings-alaska-20170108-story.html

Esteban Santiago: Gritty life on the Alaska streets

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — In the months before accused shooter Esteban Santiago went on a rampage inside the Fort Lauderdale airport, he was living a life on the edge in this Alaskan town, sleeping in spartan quarters, washing his clothes in a laundry and meeting people who lived close to the street, according to several Alaskans who said they knew him.

Welch and a trio of Qupqugiaq Inn residents said that Santiago rented a $30-per-night "Japanese-styled sleeping pod" in the month before he flew to Fort Lauderdale. Secured with electronic locks but with space only for a small bunk, an Ottoman stool and a tiny desk, both Santiago's squat quarters and the entire hallway of pods remained sealed off as investigators continued to comb for evidence there.
Declining to identify themselves, they confirmed many of Welch's details, describing Santiago as a "loner" and a "recluse" who also did not appear violent.

While in Iraq, two soldiers in Santiago's unit were killed by a roadside bomb. Santiago's relatives have said he returned from there a changed man, beginning a long spiral into mental illness.
But Welch said that she never saw him talking to voices or heard him complain about the government monitoring his brain waves.

 

[CARIIS]

So, you're thinking he planned to move to Florida, but that he wasn't planning to commit the rampage?

I was assuming he planning the rampage but not moving to Florida (except to jail).

Hmmm.... gotta think about this

Hi!

I think media are giving him rationial thinking patterns that he does not have.

For someone a month ago to earn half a month in -pt that is a pretty acute individual.

I never worked with someone that acute who is thinking about packing, about what others might think

If he is this pure terrorist he would have IMO picked Atlanta somewhere big. It makes sense to me (that is scary!!) the only place he had connections was in FL. It fits in the illogical patterns.

They are analyzing things that make sense for a reasonably working brain.

All this convoluted planning they are saying he did IMO is absurd - pretending the CIA is after him so in two months after he shoot s up an airport on the other side of the nation, will get him off the hook.

That is totally unrealistic.Security cameras were first widely used in airports. The notion that he believed if told them the CIA is after him would keep him from being where he is is way to much planning - even for someone who is not delusional!!

He was not a brain surgeon, he drove a truck in Iraq and saw combat while he was driving.

He was a security guard - one stands somewhere.