FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[CARIIS]

Boy is this not the pitts. We now have a "term" for smashing humans with vehicles.

It's called truck ramming - that is what they are using in the Isreal attack


And this copy cat (the truck Nice and the magazine) is really dangerous. I give the world three weeks before someone gets a gun in a airport somewhere in their luggage and try the same thing.

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=&amp]The gun believed to have been used by the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, airport shooter to kill five people and wound six more is the same weapon that was once taken away from him because of his mental state, sources told NBC News on Sunday.


I think another media blunder. One cannot have their gun taken away unless there is something legal.

He vol admitted himself. My sense here is the FBI contacted someone at the hospital and told them they found a gun in his car.

Just speculating- someone at the hopsptial told him they found it, and asked him if he would give permission to hold it - to help keep him safe.

Its always better to get someone to do things voluntarily.

moo

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]FBI confirmed that Santiago's child was taken into the "constant custody and care of the FBI" until Santiago's girlfriend, the child's mother, could pick him up.

Another indicator of how concerned they were about his mental state.

There are laws!

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]federal law requires that someone be "adjudicated mentally ill" for him or her to be prohibited from owning a handgun, which she said is difficult.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]I want to be clear, during our initial investigation we found no ties to terrorism," Ritzman said. "He broke no laws when he came into our office making disjointed comments about mind control."

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]"Law enforcement acted within the laws that they had."

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]fired 15 rounds before being arrested.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]attorney's office for southern Florida has charged him with performing an act of violence against a person at an airport serving international civil aviation and two other counts.

[/FONT]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-used-airport-shooting-suspect-was-once-taken-away-him-n704501[FONT=&amp]
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[Tawny]

How many commenting on stats of military members were actually in the military here?

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[CARIIS]

OT

But compelling. Once again she gets it to where you can hear a pin drop

[video=youtube;NxyGmyEby40]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxyGmyEby40[/video]

 

[passionflower]

OT

But compelling. Once again she gets it to where you can hear a pin drop

[video=youtube;NxyGmyEby40]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxyGmyEby40[/video]

sorry couldn't hear her

 

[CARIIS]

Esteban Santiago lived in Anchorage, and Bryan Santiago said he had visited him there, most recently staying with him from August through October.

“He was very different,” she said in a telephone interview from Puerto Rico. “He told me: ‘You would never want to go to Iraq. I saw horrible things, horrible.’ He was very different. He was sad.”


he played basketball with the best-behaved boys, who always followed the teachers’ orders.
“He was the most peaceful of all of them,” she said. “He participated in classes and all that, but he was pretty shy.”



“He said that the C.I.A. controlled him through secret messages over the internet and told him the things he had to do,” he recalled.

In 2010, Mr. Santiago was deployed to Iraq for nine months, working with the 130th Engineer Battalion clearing roads of improvised explosives and maintaining bridges

Guard officials said at least two members of the company were killed in insurgent attacks

no record indicating that Mr. Santiago was ever involved in combat.

“He was a person who used to talk a lot,” Mr. Rivera said. “And then when he came back, he kept to himself, he’d go to his room, he wouldn’t talk to anybody.”

once in March and twice in October, Mr. Santiago was the subject of domestic disturbance calls

Workers at the barbershop, the bakery and the furniture store, and parishioners at the churches near his family’s home, said they did not know Mr. Santiago or his family at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/us/esteban-santiago-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-.html#

 

[human]

They tend to roam. But they have lots of unpaid interns that cruise around and call in to the cameras if they see a celeb. They also look for limos and expensive cars at the pick up points. SOME celebs call in themselves, to get pix on tv.

O/t. I am guessing the celebs let them know.

As you know, you can't park very long so it would be hard to be at an exact spot to see a celeb.

 

[drjones]

not sure what happened in this case but just to clear something up - in many states you can have your guns confiscated if you voluntarily enter the hospital for certain mental health issues

 

[katydid23]

O/t. I am guessing the celebs let them know.

As you know, you can't park very long so it would be hard to be at an exact spot to see a celeb.

They park in the paid spaces. You can park there for days at a time. It is just yards away from the terminal exits. I have seen them walking with the TMZ camera through the terminal. I go to LAX once or twice a month, at least. Often 4 times a month. I have seen TMZ cams a few times just walking by when waiting at baggage claim.

If you watch TMZ, it seems like at least one or 2 stories each night are filmed at LAX.

 

[Elley Mae]

Esteban Santiago, 26, told investigators that he planned the attack, buying a one-way ticket to the Fort Lauderdale airport, a federal complaint said. Authorities don't know why he chose his target and have not ruled out terrorism.

Santiago was charged with an act of violence at an international airport resulting in death which carries a maximum punishment of execution and weapons charges.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/new...rt_gunman_charged_US_seeks_death_penalty.html

Santiago spoke to investigators for several hours after he opened fire with a Walther 9mm semi-automatic handgun that he appears to have legally checked on a flight from Alaska. He had two magazines with him and emptied both of them, firing about 15 rounds, before he was arrested, the complaint said.

On that day, Santiago had a loaded magazine on him, but had left a gun in his vehicle, authorities said. He bought his newborn child with him into the office. Officers seized the weapon and local officers took him to get a mental health evaluation. His girlfriend picked up the child.

 

[0101ABA]

The FBI agent who interrogated Saddam Hussein alone for months after the former Iraqi leader's capture is now leading the investigation into the Florida airport shooting rampage blamed on an Iraq war veteran.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-lead-airport-investigation-article-1.2940751

 

[Tawny]

Esteban Santiago lived in Anchorage, and Bryan Santiago said he had visited him there, most recently staying with him from August through October.

“He was very different,” she said in a telephone interview from Puerto Rico. “He told me: ‘You would never want to go to Iraq. I saw horrible things, horrible.’ He was very different. He was sad.”


he played basketball with the best-behaved boys, who always followed the teachers’ orders.
“He was the most peaceful of all of them,” she said. “He participated in classes and all that, but he was pretty shy.”



“He said that the C.I.A. controlled him through secret messages over the internet and told him the things he had to do,” he recalled.

In 2010, Mr. Santiago was deployed to Iraq for nine months, working with the 130th Engineer Battalion clearing roads of improvised explosives and maintaining bridges

Guard officials said at least two members of the company were killed in insurgent attacks

no record indicating that Mr. Santiago was ever involved in combat.

“He was a person who used to talk a lot,” Mr. Rivera said. “And then when he came back, he kept to himself, he’d go to his room, he wouldn’t talk to anybody.”

once in March and twice in October, Mr. Santiago was the subject of domestic disturbance calls

Workers at the barbershop, the bakery and the furniture store, and parishioners at the churches near his family’s home, said they did not know Mr. Santiago or his family at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/us/esteban-santiago-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-.html#

If this is some elaborate scheme to set up a good defense after carrying out an attack, this kid sure played the long game :no:

 

[dotr]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/santiagos-terror-ticket-fort-lauderdale/story?id=44648391

It was an attack without warning, made possible by a $278 one way ticket from Anchorage, Alaska to Fort Lauderdale.

Buying the Delta airlines ticket just last Tuesday, Esteban Santiago told his family that he was going to Florida to see a step-brother.
On Friday, 43 minutes after landing, gunfire erupted, leaving five dead and six more injured.
Hours before his first court appearance, Esteban Santiago has told his interrogators that he had been in contact with the ISIS terror group online.

Overnight a former girlfriend Michelle Quinones told ABC News that Santiago returned from a deployment in Iraq deeply troubled after saying he saw two of his national guard buddies killed in action, but could not get help from the Veterans Administration. His father's death a few months later was "completely hard" for him as well, she said. "He wasn't the same after he came from Iraq and after his father...it just really finished him off," she said.
"We had let veterans know that he was having some mental problems, that he wasn't feeling alright and they did nothing," Quinones said. "They didn't do anything."

 

[Gardenista]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/santiagos-terror-ticket-fort-lauderdale/story?id=44648391

From your link:

ABC News has learned that investigators have recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is now scouring it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad.

Talk about burying the lede.

 

[Momoffourboys]

From your link:

ABC News has learned that investigators have recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is now scouring it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad.

Talk about burying the lede.

ABC. Wow.

 

[Tawny]

From your link:

ABC News has learned that investigators have recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is now scouring it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad.

Talk about burying the lede.

Gotta get those clicks.

 

[katydid23]

Gotta get those clicks.

I don't think the article was just about getting those 'clicks.' I think it is valid to investigate the claims being made that Santiago had an alter ego that has been posting with that Arabic name, on Jihadist web sites, since BEFORE he joined the service.

There is some possible evidence that he has been doing so. It would make sense because he said he has been getting commands ONLINE from ISIS. So I do believe he has been active online with another name. And I think it is vital to find out what he was talking about with them.

 

[Tawny]

I don't think the article was just about getting those 'clicks.' I think it is valid to investigate the claims being made that Santiago had an alter ego that has been posting with that Arabic name, on Jihadist web sites, since BEFORE he joined the service.

There is some possible evidence that he has been doing so. It would make sense because he said he has been getting commands ONLINE from ISIS. So I do believe he has been active online with another name. And I think it is vital to find out what he was talking about with them.

Yeah that's all part of investigating. The point being, they singled that out so that people would take notice and read their article.

"FBI investigates Esteban Santiago" doesn't garner attention. "FBI investigates Santiago for possible ties to ISIS" does garner attention. It infers there's more to it.

 

[dotr]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fo...tiago-first-court-hearing-20170109-story.html

Esteban Santiago handcuffed, shackled and wearing a red, maximum security jumpsuit, spoke in a monotone Monday as he answered questions from a federal magistrate during a hearing that lasted about 30 minutes.Santiago, 26, who is accused of killing five people and wounding six others at Fort Lauderdale's airport, was flanked by eight to nine deputy U.S. marshals as he answered questions from U.S. Magistrate Alicia Valle.
"The maximum penalty, if you were to be convicted, is death – it is a capital offense," Valle told him.
Santiago, who stared down at the defense table for much of the hearing, said he understood the seriousness of the charges he is facing.
In answering a series of questions from the judge, Santiago, with visible tattoos on both arms and wearing flip-flops with no socks, said he has no assets and only about five or ten dollars in his bank account.

 

[dotr]

Not suggesting his family was part of this, but could it be he thought in some way he was helping them?
Cannot help but wonder if his family stands to gain monetarily from this tragedy?
Would they perhaps look at trying to sue the govt. for not stopping him if he was mentally unhinged, or might they sell his story ect?
speculation, imo.