FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[popsicle]

[h=1]Authorities: Cancelled New Year's Trip to New York for Fort Lauderdale Suspect[/h]
Since the attacks, investigators recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is examining it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad, according to officials familiar with the case.

What they're asking is, is there a connection with a terrorist organization?’” he explained. “What they should be asking is, ‘does this person I'm interested in present a risk of committing an act of violence?’”

“Based on the attacks we've seen in this country, these aren't traditional terrorists we're dealing with. We're dealing with people who have underlying mental health issues, who are self-connecting with extremist causes, and are murdering people in furtherance of some perceived grievance,” he said.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I am sorry that I am upsetting y'all. I am not trying to do so.

Maybe you are all correct and he is a victim of mental illness and has no connection to terrorism. Maybe I am unfairly judging him. I guess time will tell.

At this point, I think its both.

I, also, believe that anyone that seeks out an affiliation with a terrorist organization probably suffers some sort of mental illness.

 

[Inthedetails]

I am sorry that I am upsetting y'all. I am not trying to do so.

Maybe you are all correct and he is a victim of mental illness and has no connection to terrorism. Maybe I am unfairly judging him. I guess time will tell.

We are not expected to know all the answers. Speculation on a webpage for crimes is acceptable. I want to hear ideas that others have. All cards on the table, imo.

As time goes on, we'll be able to better and better discern. (Or....not.)

Sometimes I don't really formulate my own theories until after writing my ideas in a post and reading what others say. Our ideas do not have to spring from us fully formed and perfect.

Keeping the discussion flowing is my preference, fwiw.

jmopinion

 

[LaborDayRN]

We are not expected to know all the answers. Speculation on a webpage for crimes is acceptable. I want to hear ideas that others have. All cards on the table, imo.

As time goes on, we'll be able to better and better discern. (Or....not.)

Sometimes I don't really formulate my own theories until after writing my ideas in a post and reading what others say. Our ideas do not have to spring from us fully formed and perfect.

Keeping the discussion flowing is my preference, fwiw.

jmopinion

I agree. The exchange of idea's is a healthy thing. We don't have to always agree. I don't take personal offence if someone has a different opinion than I, that's what makes the world go round! We are all individuals with our own ideas and theories.

 

[Inthedetails]

"The 26-year-old Iraq war veteran had a reservation to fly in to the city on New Year’s Eve, but cancelled his trip a few days before and instead booked a one-way $278 ticket to Florida, counterterrorism officials told ABC News on Monday."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ing-death-penalty-killing-5-article-1.2941654


I wonder if he booked a hotel room in Florida. I know that seems like a silly question, but I am curious if he made any provisions for NOT going through with the plan when he landed in Florida.

jmo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Authorities reportedly speculated that the high presence of NYPD officers around the holidays could have deterred him from going to New York.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ing-death-penalty-killing-5-article-1.2941654

It appears preparation and careful planning went into his rampage. He didn't just suddenly snap. He alone made the decision to kill and surrender that day.

My speculation and opinion on what I know so far.

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=&quot]The 11½-hour flight has a 2½-hour layover in Minneapolis, one of the longest itineraries within the U.S.

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[CARIIS]

I can also make a case for it going the other way, quite often. Many times the MSM refuses to acknowledge the suspects connections to terrorism, focusing instead on extraneous unrelated circumstances, trying to avoid the inevitable. It happened that way in several recent cases. San Bernadino, Boston, Orlando...

IMO just the opposite--everything is terrorism -- gets more eyes


it goes down in history too Pulse is perfect --the second night the first wife , on global TV state that the FBI asked her not to say anything about "gay"

That is a agenda right off the bat

She declared he was bipolar -- nothing

Terrorism is big big money while allowing us to avoid how awful our mental health services

It is kinda strighforward -- the guy walked into the FBI and stated the Cia was controlling his brain --that is a paranoid delusion. That is just the defination of one!!

How the media ignores that simple fact is mind boggling to me

 

[CARIIS]

This thread is so far down a rabbit hole.

I'm stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill waiting for someone to show me one example of a jihadist who has ever in their entire life gone to the FBI for help because they "didn't want to hurt anyone."

And then tell me the logic, if you're planning to actually follow through with a jihadist attack, why going to the FBI and becoming known to them will help you succeed. I know I know, "building a defense..." because jihadists so often give a flying rat's furry butt about their fate after a successful attack...

(gif for humor because I need some laughs in life)

Agree - there is so much data indicating this dude was falling for a long time, gfriend, brother, anut, got fired, FBI visit way too much data

his family can not be involved in creating a cover.

As far as I know (!!) none of us here are serial killers, murderers, rapists, bomb makers, et c etc c

but searchs for all the above would be on our computers!!

A Google search on some ISIS stuff does not make one a terrorist

When We go back through the hard core boston san bern , there are extensive histories.

Same with OMaar - he looked up some ISIS stuff online

We all have too!

Better not find out any of you are up to something ha!

 

[CARIIS]

I am now questioning the story about his buddies being blown up. I believed it at first (and it could certainly be true), but I read yesterday that he never saw combat. For the moment, I'm not taking his word that his mates were killed by a grenade in front of him until there is confirmation.

JMO at the moment.

he worked clearing out IUDs -- plausible that he saw two friend's blown up

whatever they are called

that is so funny I am not changing it !!


"clearing out" adds more humor to the post

Oh my god hysterical

 

[Inthedetails]

he worked clearing out IUDs plausible that he saw two friend's blown up

Yes, I do agree. I could've sworn I read something that debunked the "two buddies" story, but I can't find it.....so I think I'm losing my memory. For now, I'm accepting the story.

jmo

 

[dotr]

http://www.sent-trib.com/news/shoot...cle_8efb316c-d6e1-11e6-aef0-9b5c7ba64b8d.html

Shooting suspect's mental issues may explain little

Associated Press | NEW YORK — Esteban Santiago, the 26-year-old man held in the fatal shootings last week at Fort Lauderdale's airport, reportedly has a history of mental difficulties and it's tempting to assume they explain the crime. Experts say: Don't.
"There is no one explanation that will fit this case or any case," says criminologist James Alan Fox of Northeastern University, an expert on violence.
While mental health troubles could turn out to play a role in the case, it's unusual for symptoms to drive violence, says Edward Mulvey, a psychologist at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine who studies violence and mental illness.

While certain factors often show up in the history of mass murderers, like a history of failure, a tendency to blame others and social isolation, they also appear in the histories of people who don't harm anybody, Fox said. That's why mass killers can't be reliably identified in advance of the crime, he said.

Mulvey said there are people who are driven to violence by delusions, but "they're rare, they're much less common than people might expect." Often when psychotic people are involved in violence it's not because of their mental illness but rather something else, like substance abuse, he said.

rbbm

 

[CARIIS]

he had reported hearing voices to other people going back to at least august. could he have been lying about it the whole time? sure, who knows.

This was in nov -- no one would be able to get him adjudicated mentally ill in four weeks even if the thought he met criteria

but he does not have nearly the mental health background stuff needed to get him adjudicated

does not mean he was not very ill - means that adjudicating someone mentally ill is very very difficult

think about it in a bitter divorce someone claiming he/ she is mental poof

Practiced 17 years -- some in-pt - never saw someone get adjudicated - it is a very big deal (rights) to declare someone

 

[dotr]

Pure speculation, but guessing that drugs ( not that that has been reported or proven) and child , death of a father, birth of a baby somehow will all tie into this rampage. If he said isis or govt. control, it might be to assign others blame and give " purpose " to his nasty violent tendencies.
strictly imo.

The suspected gunman who authorities believe shot dead five people and injured six after opening fire in Fort Lauderdale International airport had gone AWOL several times while serving in the military and was investigated for child , authorities have said.

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[Inthedetails]

Pure speculation, but guessing that drugs ( not that that has been reported or proven) and child , death of a father, birth of a baby somehow will all tie into this rampage. If he said isis or govt. control, it might be to assign others blame and give " purpose " to his nasty violent tendencies.
strictly imo.


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When did his dad die?

 

[gitana1]

Ketoacidosis is super high blood sugar that leads to kidney failure. It can kill you. Just as low blood sugar can. If a diabetic (type1) juvenile type your pancreas does not work and without medication it is life threatening. I feel for those who have health issues or small kids. Wish airlines had a better plan! Btw, I think the airlines limit the amount of insulin you can bring aboard, I can stand corrected if wrong.
This was in response to a poster talking about passengers on a tarmac. I am using my phone so it didn't copy original post.

I don't understand. Why couldn't they have just gone to a gate far from the scene of the crime and let those poor people off? Or get one of those slides and let them slide off and depart the airport. Wth?

He walked into an FBI office in 2016, and said he was being forced to fight for ISIS. He was hearing voices apparently.

I have seen other videos of Isis related terrorists, giving that 1 finger salute in video cams, as evidence they were doing the violence in support of ISIS. So seeing a Puerto Rican wearing the khafiya, giving the salute, after telling the FBI he was fighting the urge to support ISIS, it seems impossible not to think that this violent assault was not an extremist terrorist action by him, imo.

Bottom line- ISIS specifically and purposefully targets three general types- 1) Alienated, socially inept loners who are filled with narcissistic rage, 2) Sociopathic low-level criminals, 3) Delusional easily confused people suffering mental health diagnoses.

ISIS has had a specific plan to utilize people who aren't in direct contact or control of the organization. Their violent and frightening propaganda videos specifically incite and "trigger" unstable and angry people and encourage them to commit atrocities.

I think it's quite clear from this guy's statements to the FBI, his beard, kaffiyeh and finger up photo that he has a self-proclaimed affiliation with ISIS. This was an act of terror, despite this person's mental health diagnosis. IMO. His diagnosis was just another tool of the terrorists.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/santiagos-terror-ticket-fort-lauderdale/story?id=44648391

Authorities: Ft. Lauderdale Suspect First Planned New Year’s Eve Trip to New York

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Officials believe that the highly visible presence of NYPD officers throughout the city on New Year’s Eve could have been an effective deterrent.

In his press conference on Saturday, the FBI’s Ritzman acknowledged concerns over why Santiago was not put on a no fly list. The agent told reporters, “I want to be clear, during our initial investigation, we found no ties to terrorism.”

But according to John Cohen, an ABC News consultant and former acting under secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, in these instances, “investigators aren’t asking the right questions.”

What they're asking is, is there a connection with a terrorist organization?’” he explained. “What they should be asking is, ‘does this person I'm interested in present a risk of committing an act of violence?’”



As I have said before, I want to see/know how the fbi/cia/le are determining or justifying who is or isn't a terrorist threat. It's my opinion that their hands are tied.

 

[dotr]

When did his dad die?

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/07/fort...-santiago-said-he-heard-voices-officials.html

Santiago's aunt and uncle in Union City, New Jersey, said Santiago was the father of a son named Pierre and that the boy and his mother both live in Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico, where his mother still lives. His father died four years ago.

 

[CARIIS]

 

[Tawny]

That photographer got a good shot. Probably raked in the cash for that one!