FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[jjenny]

I think anyone would know that after an act of multiple murder in a death penalty state that the outlook for life in prison was highly improbable.

The probability of him being killed was great. The Florida choice is ouzzling

James Holmes is spending his life in prison. So I don't think anyone would just know/

 

[drjones]

Giving everything away is a red flag for people who are going to kill themselves

not if i dont want it to be it isnt, then its something else entirely.

 

[human]

And? Clearly he didn't kill himself. Also, he didn't try to get himself killed by cop. After completing his shooting, he is described as going down on the floor to show that he isn't a threat.

I would guess he would have been killed. After all, look at all of the people that get killed by cop. Why he didn't is amazing

 

[katydid23]

Obviously, he was a danger. And getting adjudicated as insane does not set you free.

Obviously he was a danger. He left his newborn in a freezing car. He owned a deadly weapon . He told the FBI he was being forced by the govt to fight for ISIS. Of course he was a danger, to himself and others. But they still denied him a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia.

So maybe they did not think he was mentally ill. He might have just been a dangerous character for other reasons, not because he was sick.

 

[CARIIS]

He gave away everything. When the prospect of death stared him in the face, he may have changed his mind about dying.

IMO only

He was in the battle feild - when he ran out of bullets to stay alive he threw his gun far away, get down, spread your legs wide , so the enemy knows you are surrendering

He had his military ID he was a warrior

doing what you do in war

In total flashback moo

moo

 

[Inthedetails]

it isnt a question of "ruling out terrorism", its simply interpreting the evidence we have so far, and what it might suggest. it sounds like no matter what i say you are just going to argue against it so i guess we are done.

I hear ya. We don't see eye to eye. That's okay (and it's not an argument to voice a different opinion).

What I hope is that more information does eventually come out to clear it all up. Sometimes in these cases, another one happens and then the previous one gets forgotten and any lessons learned are gone.

jmopinion, which may differ from other's and may change

 

[jjenny]

I would guess he would have been killed. After all, look at all of the people that get killed by cop. Why he didn't is amazing

When he finished shooting, he laid down and didn't point his gun at any cops. Sounds like he knew exactly what to do not to get himself killed.

 

[katydid23]

I would guess he would have been killed. After all, look at all of the people that get killed by cop. Why he didn't is amazing

He was not killed because he was not resisting arrest. That is what people need to understand when dealing with cops. Sit down and shut up and things can be sorted out.

 

[jjenny]

IMO only

He was in the battle feild - when he ran out of bullets to stay alive he threw his gun far away, get down, spread your legs wide , so the enemy knows you are surrendering

He had his military ID he was a warrior

doing what you do in war

In total flashback moo

moo

You don't plan to have flashback. He planned the whole thing. It's not a PTSD.

 

[Inthedetails]

IMO only

He was in the battle feild - when he ran out of bullets to stay alive he threw his gun far away, get down, spread your legs wide , so the enemy knows you are surrendering

He had his military ID he was a warrior

doing what you do in war

In total flashback moo

moo

Hmmm....could be. Except, he planned this attack on his own, not having a sudden flashback out of the blue.

Or were the past few weeks a flashback - he was living in a "war" all that time??

 

[human]

He was not killed because he was not resisting arrest. That is what people need to understand when dealing with cops. Sit down and shut up and things can be sorted out.

You mean like Tamir Rice?

 

[katydid23]

IMO only

He was in the battle feild - when he ran out of bullets to stay alive he threw his gun far away, get down, spread your legs wide , so the enemy knows you are surrendering

He had his military ID he was a warrior

doing what you do in war

In total flashback moo

moo

How was he in flashback if he planned this thing weeks in advance? :thinking:

 

[CARIIS]

When he finished shooting, he laid down and didn't point his gun at any cops. Sounds like he knew exactly what to do not to get himself killed.

Or tortured , when in combat, you surrender like he did moo

 

[katydid23]

You mean like Tamir Rice?

Amir did not sit down. He was threatening strangers with a realistic gun. And he should have thrown it down on the ground.


"As the police drive up he can be seen standing up and moving the gun at his waist. Two officers get out with their guns drawn and the boy falls, disappearing behind the car. Rice died of his wounds the following day "

 

[human]

IMO only

He was in the battle feild - when he ran out of bullets to stay alive he threw his gun far away, get down, spread your legs wide , so the enemy knows you are surrendering

He had his military ID he was a warrior

doing what you do in war

In total flashback moo

moo

Yup. He did what he was trained to do.

Just like the teacher who helped. She responded with her training which is minimal compared to his

 

[CARIIS]

not if i dont want it to be it isnt, then its something else entirely.

He started to give stuff away a month ago -- mental illness is not a stagnant thing . those three days he was ready to kill himself

that changed

how it works

moo

 

[drjones]

He started to give stuff away a month ago -- mental illness is not a stagnant thing . those three days he was ready to kill himself

that changed

how it works

moo

my comment was entirely in jest...

 

[CARIIS]

Of course. But I think he was using the crime he committed to get into jail. I think his goal was to get to prison.

Well, I think a few different things about the case, and that is just one of them until we receive more info. I can think of a couple of reasons why he would want to go to jail. I don't think that was his SOLE motivation for the crime, but I do think ending up in jail was part of his purposeful plan (more than a mere acceptance that he would be arrested and sent to jail).

jam opinion at the moment.

I think a lot of people are giving him to much reality

He bought tickets to a relative (do not really think Alaska to Naples is on the itinerary)

Long long day, but the Cia is after him, he is a soldier, he must take his military ID with him

they are after him

He was in a plane for 10 plus hours (WAR) triggered a flashback

He ran out of bullets, he had to declare he is not Jewish, and hit the floor for surrender to the enemy. It is all congruent with delusions moo

just moo

 

[katydid23]

I think a lot of people are giving him to much reality

He bought tickets to a relative (do not really think Alaska to Naples is on the itinerary)

Long long day, but the Cia is after him, he is a soldier, he must take his military ID with him

they are after him

He was in a plane for 10 plus hours triggered a flashback

just moo

Why did he tell the FBI that he planned this for awhile?

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fo...auderdale-airport-gun-fly-20170107-story.html

"Mr. Santiago had arrived at the FBI building asking for help," Anchorage Police Chief Christopher Tolley said. "Santiago was having terroristic thoughts and believed he was being influenced by ISIS."

"During our initial investigation we found no ties to terrorism," said Marlin Ritzman, the agent in charge of the FBI's office in Anchorage. "He broke no laws when he came into our office making comments about mind control."

Ten days after the visit to the FBI, on November 17, police sent Santiago a letter asking him to pick up his gun and an appointment was set for Nov. 30. When he showed up, however, the gun was not returned to him. Tolley did not say why. The firearm was finally released to him Dec. 8, Tolley said.

bbm

I would like to see the fbi's check list on ruling out terrorism.