FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #1

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Ed Smart's involvement is more on the lines of advice & support. He called the Kesses and spoke at length with Drew. The Kesses were later interviewed and spoke of his kindness & supportive advice.

The Kesses have another event planned for this weekend (Sat. & Sun.) at the Florida Mall. They are asking volunteers to come out, pick up 'the newest missing flyers' and distribute them.

13th Juror
 
Thanks LaMer for the detailed reply. I see John Douglas has written several books and I am after them all! Someone here on ebay has a three title bundle (Journey Into Darkness, Anatomy of a Motive & Obsession) up for sale. I’m not sure if I can wait a few days so I’m visiting a couple of local bookstores this morning. If all else fails I will buy the ebay package.



Finally, would those who feel the POI is important please explain to me why? To me it is simply a photo of someone passing by.

The time of the photograph still bothers me.
 
This is an unidentified person on private property where an an automobile possible linked with murder/abduction was found.

LE found numerous items thrown in the dumpster. Poi is definitely carrying something.

LE's little black box of tricks (evidence) points the fickle finger of fate at the person.
 
Myserty64 said:
Thanks LaMer for the detailed reply. I see John Douglas has written several books and I am after them all! Someone here on ebay has a three title bundle (Journey Into Darkness, Anatomy of a Motive & Obsession) up for sale. I’m not sure if I can wait a few days so I’m visiting a couple of local bookstores this morning. If all else fails I will buy the ebay package.

Your Welcome Myserty! :)


I have two other books , 'The Cases that Haunt us' and 'Obsession'. I could have more somewhere, but not sure, too many books and so little time lol

It helps the frustation somewhat when studying these horrific crimes, understanding or not what makes these creep tick. You many not sleep well :eek:

Myserty, Amazon.com is another place which often has used books, some very inexpensive too. ~good luck~ :)
 


Another trying day for LE & the Kesse family ...

As reported on WFTV Channel 9 news at 11:00 pm - Orlando Police received a tip today that turned out to be 'a false alarm'.

A caller told police that there was a car submerged in Lake Tyler with a woman's body inside. Dozens of deputies responded with boats & nets but found no sign of a car or Jennifer Kesse.

Jen's parents said they were glad to hear that tips were still coming in. Naturally, they're gratified that this latest tip was not fruitful.


What a traumatic & heartbreaking month this has been for the weary & stressed-out Kesse family. It's unfathomable to imagine their grief. :(

Heading to bed n' counting my blessings.

13th Juror
 
christine2448 said:
These people at this forum have mentioned Beyonds pictures and have links to our site here at WS...not sure if ya'll saw this or someone already mentioned it, sorry if I'm repeating....this one thread there caught my attention, supposed psyics leaving messages....

http://myparklake.com/jk/viewtopic.php?t=9

LaMer, sorry this was the link I was talking about with psychics. Now I can see that it is the board for Jen. I wondered why they weren't doing searches for a body as well but then it occured to me that they did do searches around her complex and the area the car was found in, in Laci's case they knew where to look plus tips that came in kept the searchers looking. Her family is passing out posters this weekend at the mall, are they organizing a search as well? If you add all the waterways into the area it must be like a needle in a haystack without any idea of where to look especially if she was transported by car to god knows where. I can think of many cases off the top of my head where the victims were very close but weren't found right away.

I'll post this question again so maybe someone who knows will see it; how did they know which car was hers? I saw it mentioned they have designated parking and possibly the numbers coincide? Anything confirmed on where her car was parked Monday night? Anyone know about laundry facilities there? Did she have her own machines or did she use on site facilities? Anything in the way of proof that it wasn't random, she was possibly watched beforehand? Something as simple as a worker in the area saw her coming and going and watched her?

I've read many of the fbi profilers books and they are interesting and informative especially with serials the one thing proven I learned from those books is that the serial rapists and child molesters do turn into serial killers in an attempt to keep from getting caught, it's a state of advancement for them as a survival tactic. Then there's the ones that start out that way like Ted Bundy who in fact according to the fbi's account is the one that got it all started. It's an art though not a science and in this case the profile Chris Marlowe did has obvious flaws because his profile is locked into a theory of how he thinks the crime was committed and the never evolved sterotypical profile of the perp; white male, 25 to 35, approx. height and weight of an average white man who is strong are listed, etc. simply because Jennifer is white. Crimes of opportunity don't discriminate and sometimes a person's color is just incidental and is what it is due to area. Not knowing the motive makes a profile impossible to do more than generalize anyway. Crimes like this are committed by all shapes and sizes as well as color in this country.
 
Thanks for the clarification Beyond Belief. I was thinking that the photos were taken from inside the complex and the POI was on what you call the sidewalk. Where I live that would be termed public space. Does anyone know the actual time the photo of the POI was taken? The photo says 1300:27 which is half a minute after 1pm.

If the assault happened at say 8am then the photo is 5 hours later. That seems a long time to me.

 
I have two photos I am going to post, however, I too am cynical about them. Working with these photos makes you feel a little insane, but just maybe........

This is the area in photo two of what the poi is carrying. I am only referring to what may and thats a big MAY be three numbers, between the fence on a slight slant, might be 362 or 262.
I know Kat was going to work on these, I hope you can look in this area of the photo and see if you can find anything. Don't use the photo where they highlighted the person, you can't blow that one up without alot of distortion.

I saw something else in the upper section of this, but I will stay silent on that.
http://photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/?action=view&current=kessezip.jpg


http://photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/?action=view&current=kessezip1.jpg
 
Myserty64 said:
Christopher Marlowe has posted at the Jennifer Kesse site.



i think, but could be mistaken, that is where he originally posted his "ideas". and sometime after that they closed the message board. has he posted again?

or am i totally off-base. i am late to this thread and read through the first 12 pages in one night, so i might be confused about some things for sure!
 
This is going to sound terrible and I hate to even mention it but... has LE checked out the landfills in the area? (trash sites) i'm sorry i hate to mention that because its as if I am saying look in the trash for a human being but it just dawned on me because I was thinking about the Lori Hacking case.
 
Myserty64 said:
Christopher Marlowe has posted at the Jennifer Kesse site.
Could you please be more specific? A link would be great! Thanks.
 


Christopher Marlowe's Saturday morning (2/25) 'Follow-up' post on "Help Find Jennifer Kesse". Most interesting!

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Christopher Marlowe
Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Posts: 1
Location: Central Florida
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:46 am

Post subject: Another Possibility - Car as Crime Scene

I had no idea that my "possible scenario" would generate so much controversy. Let me begin by saying that my sole motivation in writing this scenario was to try to help in solving this case. When I posted the scenario Jennifer had already been gone for four weeks and it seemed to me that many of the unpleasant realities of such cases were not being addressed. More to the point, the chances of Jennifer being found alive after such a long disappearance are not good.


The Elizabeth Smart case is often used as the classic example of a young woman who survived a lengthy abduction, but it must be kept in mind that Elizabeth was only 14 years old at the time of her abduction and she was not only physically not strong enough to resist her abductors, but she was also not yet mature, and therefore she was not psychologically strong enough to endure the brainwashing that was foisted upon her. In the end, it was not even certain whether Elizabeth was a helpless victim or a willing participant. This is hardly the case with Jennifer Kesse. From what we know about Jennifer, it doesn't seem likely that anyone would be able to keep her captive for very long.


After I posted my scenario, I was surprised, but not overly so, to find that it had been deleted after only about twenty minutes. Not only that, but I was banned from making any more posts. The opinions of the other forum members regarding this action were mixed and covered the full spectrum, although most were taken aback by what they perceived as a rash move. Personally, I think that the administrator over-reacted, and, he would probably find that the Kesses are much more realistic than he would give them credit for. If Jennifer was indeed murdered, then all of us will eventually have to face that fact. I don't think that I am being callous; I think that I am just being realistic.


There are between 20 and 25 thousand homicides in the USA every year – the USA is a very violent society. At this point, we don't really know what happened to Jennifer, but we have to investigate the full spectrum of possibilities, and murder is one of those possibilities. The police are not going to be able to solve this case unless they look at all of the possibilities, and I am sure that they are doing that, although they are not always speaking in plain text about it.


My approach was more clinical than most of the other posts, but that is likely a function of my background, i.e., I have worked as a private investigator and I have taken graduate-level, university courses in abnormal psychology and criminology. I am currently writing a book having to do with the psychological aspects of various types of homicides. The principles that I applied to analyzing the Jennifer Kesse case are the same ones that are generally used in trying to solve such cases, i.e., trying to develop an understanding of how the crime was committed and using whatever information is available to develop a perpetrator profile. It is my understanding that some criminal profilers were asked to do a profile of the Kesse case but refused because they thought there wasn't enough to go on.


It may well be that my scenario and especially my criminal profile are off-the-mark, but I think that there are some valid inferences to be made from certain facts and assumptions.
For example, it looks as though Jennifer was overpowered after she left her condo-unit on Tuesday morning, January 24, 2006, somewhere between her condo-unit door and her car door.

The reasoning here is that if she had made it off of the Mosaic Condo Complex property, she would have had to have encountered the perpetrator somewhere between the security gate of the Mosaic Complex and her work-place parking lot. But, as I outlined in the original scenario, any such encounter would have likely been a loud and chaotic affair. And, although the Orlando Police were at one time, early-on, talking about a possible carjacking, such speculation has long since ended.


Since I posted the original scenario, I have given the case some more thought. Because the Orlando Police, after having received a forensics' report from the FBI, have declaratively stated that the car is a "crime scene," a possible scenario, whereby the assault could have taken place at her car, could go something like this:

There must be hundreds of construction workers at the Mosaic Condo Complex during the course of the day. Most of them drive vans or pick-up trucks. So, if there was a van parked next to Jennifer's car when she was walking out to her car that morning, it wouldn't have seemed out of place. The temperature between 7:00 and 8:00 a.m. was 64 degrees and there was a light breeze blowing. There were scattered clouds and it would rain lightly in the afternoon. The temperature would eventually reach 77 degrees this day.

Jennifer, being young and healthy, likely has a good metabolism rate, and her body generated enough heat so that she wouldn't need a jacket. She was probably dressed in a sleeveless blouse or light sweater with a tight-fitting skirt or slacks. A construction worker, whose van was parked next to her car, could have been getting out his tools and work material as he saw Jennifer walking toward him. He could have had the sliding-door to his van open as he was getting his things together. The workman's opened sliding-door could have been right across from Jennifer's driver's side door.


Jennifer, who was reportedly always in a good mood, would likely have pleasantly greeted all of the workers that she encountered around the complex, although she may not have felt completely secure with so many of them around. But on this Tuesday, with thoughts of the Caribbean and St. Croix still fresh in her mind, she may have been particularly friendly, just like all of the people she and her fiancé had met on their vacation. Everyone is always so amiable and open and pleasant when they are on vacation, especially on such an enchanted island like St. Croix. Jennifer likely still had a vacation mind-set.

Depending on where Jennifer's car was parked and how close the van was to her car, it is possible that the van blocked Jennifer and the construction worker from general view. When Jennifer turned her back on him to open her car door, or when she bent over to put her things inside, he could have grabbed her from behind and put his hand over her mouth so that she couldn't scream. He could have then pulled her the short distance over to his van and brutally forced her inside through the wide-open sliding-door. Once inside, he could have used his free hand to close the sliding-door and then raped her. Figuring that he would most likely get caught if he let Jennifer live, and that he would be sentenced to many years in prison for rape, he could have decided to murder her, thus killing the only witness to his crime. He could have figured that he had a good chance of not getting caught.

He would likely have left her body in the van, covered with a blanket or canvas, or something else that the perpetrator used for his job. Then, reasoning that her car might attract someone's attention if it were still in the parking lot, after she was supposed to have already left for work, he likely decided to move it to another location. Being a building contractor, who was very familiar with the area, he drove directly to the Huntington on the Green Apartment Complex, parked the car and walked back. He slipped through a break in the fence, walked through a wooded area and then walked to his van. Since he may not have started work as yet, he could have just jumped in his van and driven off to dispose of the body. It is also not outside of the realm of possibility that he drove off and disposed of the body and then drove back to the Mosaic Condo Complex to do some work.


According to this parking-lot scenario, when the tracking dog reached the point in the parking lot where Jennifer encountered the perpetrator, the dog would have smoothly switched from the perpetrator's scent to Jennifer's scent, which he then would have backtracked up to her condo-unit. As I theorized in my first possible scenario, this would have led investigators to believe that the perpetrator walked back from Jennifer's car, that he had just left at the Huntington on the Green Apartment Complex, straight back to the Mosaic Condo Complex and up to her condo-unit, when, in fact, he probably never knew which condo-unit was hers and may have never even been in the building.


The parking-lot scenario would change things somewhat as far as the investigation was concerned, though: If the assault took place in Jennifer's building, this would limit the number of possible suspects to those workmen who might have had work to do in her building. But, if the assault took place in the parking lot, depending on where Jennifer's car was parked, many more workmen would now come into question.

It doesn't, however, seem likely that the perpetrator would have put Jennifer's body in her car and driven off with the idea of disposing of it. Whether he would have tried to put her in the back seat or in the trunk, this in itself would likely have attracted someone's attention – this would have been too risky for him. Additionally, had he transported the body in the back seat or in the trunk, there likely would have been much more forensic evidence left in either of these places, and it would not have taken so long for the police to declare the car a crime scene. It seems much more likely that, whether he murdered her in her building or in his van, he would have transported her body out of the Mosaic Condo Complex in his van.


In conclusion, let me say that one has to be careful to maintain the focus on solving the case at hand and not get sidetracked by making a scapegoat out of someone who presents ideas that others may not yet be ready for. The criteria should be that the ideas are pertinent and plausible, and that they are presented in a responsible manner.

Murder is an extremely horrible crime, and especially so when it is random and takes the life of someone so young and vibrant, and who has so much promise. Many people become understandably very upset and are extremely frustrated, especially when the perpetrator has not been apprehended and the victim cannot be found, but the answer is not to take out one's frustrations on those who are trying to solve the case by presenting ideas that some people consider to be premature. There are always those who will not be able to deal with these matters on the same time-table as those who are involved with these cases professionally, but "killing the messenger" has never had positive results.


And finally, let me close by saying that I have sent the original scenario to Don Wood, who is the head of Child Watch (with the request that he inform the Orlando Police about some of the ideas – since he has been working closely with Detective, Sergeant Richard Ring, who is in charge of this case), and to Greta van Susteren, of Fox News, On the Record.


Christopher Marlowe
 
All I can say is that Christopher Marlowe's posts and scenarios are well thought out and reasoned. I would think anyone would value his time and effort.
 
concernedperson said:
All I can say is that Christopher Marlowe's posts and scenarios are well thought out and reasoned. I would think anyone would value his time and effort.
They're fairly brilliant. Anyone else struck by the idea that Marlowe sounds like a brit? Uses American spellings, from what I could tell, but the grammar is so good as to be worthy of speakers of the Queen's English. If he/she is, it is probably irrelevant, but it occurred to me as I read this recent message.

Steve
 
marlowe sure goes give food for thought. parking lot abductions happen every day.

however, i do strongly object to his opinions about elizabeth smart! when she was taken she had lived a sheltered life and i do not believe for one minute that she was anything other than a victim!
 
izzyB said:
marlowe sure goes give food for thought. parking lot abductions happen every day.

however, i do strongly object to his opinions about elizabeth smart! when she was taken she had lived a sheltered life and i do not believe for one minute that she was anything other than a victim!




I did a double-take on that particular opinion as well, Izzy. OMG - if ever there was a brainwashing victim - surely, it was Elizabeth!

However, even though I strongly disagree with him on the point that 14 yr. old Elizabeth may have been a willing participant - I have to respect Marlowe's right to have his own opinion. It's just not mine! Never will be!


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izzyB said:
i think, but could be mistaken, that is where he originally posted his "ideas". and sometime after that they closed the message board. has he posted again?

or am i totally off-base. i am late to this thread and read through the first 12 pages in one night, so i might be confused about some things for sure!

Izzy, maybe this will help--hope so :) It is confusing :confused:

This liink is to the site where CM first posted his theory, and where it was deleted. Eeek even banned. The Admin here has very strict rules, which are also made as they go along. I know! I asked about LE and just about got my head knocked off lol Admin has a forum for suggestions, but doesn't allow anything that would infer with what might be 'reality'. It is a site the family asked him to put up, so it is a place where one walks on eggshells. Admin doesn't want anything posted there that would hurt the family, as I presumed from a post I made, they want to hear nothing about the possibility of Jennifer being deceased. I asked why there weren't any searches going on, that was deleted.

http://someoneismissing.com/main/


http://myparklake.com/jk/index.php?sid=05da297b1a38a8a6cf20d949a1732fd5

Here is another site, the person who opened this site, wanted a site that one could be anonymous and post whatever due to the restrictions on the other site. This is the site, where CM posted today.

Hope this makes sense, I am in a hurry running out the door.
 
strach304 said:
LaMer, sorry this was the link I was talking about with psychics. Now I can see that it is the board for Jen. I wondered why they weren't doing searches for a body as well but then it occured to me that they did do searches around her complex and the area the car was found in, in Laci's case they knew where to look plus tips that came in kept the searchers looking. Her family is passing out posters this weekend at the mall, are they organizing a search as well? If you add all the waterways into the area it must be like a needle in a haystack without any idea of where to look especially if she was transported by car to god knows where. I can think of many cases off the top of my head where the victims were very close but weren't found right away.

I see, yes I remember reading this thread, but it isn't the one I was referring to when posting to Beyond Belief. It gets confusing where 'what was where' to me since there are two sites, which I posted the links to just ahead of this post.

I haven't read anything about further searches. You are right about the needle in a haystack, but if it were my daughter, I would want them ongoing! Right too, to God knows where, very frustrating.

Thanks Strach for getting back to me :)

LaMer
 
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