FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #12

[Markybug]

That car in the background, has the camera changed its colour too? Or is it just clothing it affects , image wise??

 

[rd_jfc]

I'm going to post Image 3. In my opinion, this image has been discarded by almost everyone--or maybe everyone--except rd-jfc.

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Okay. Now, my correction of what I posted yesterday. (I'm going to delete that one from my source and hopefully it will stop showing here on the forum).

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Now, the most amazing thing about that forgotten image is that it shows the POI's face. I find all my little pointy text boxes and arrows and red circles detract from it; so, I'll link rd_jfc's original: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033

(It also seems to reinforce the thoughts that maybe the POI has long sleeves on).

This is some of the most amazing work I have ever seen. To take such a tiny, poor quality image and blow it up--somehow allowing it to keep its integrity-- would be impossible for someone of ordinary skills.

Take a bow, rd, because you deserve it.

My mother would often tell me that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You have lead us, but if we would rather see a skate board tucked under the arm of skinny teenager who never bothered to turn around--that's a stumbling block of our own making.

Thanks for those kind words, Truth. That actually made the months of work worth it.

I rolled back three pages here to your red bracketed image 1 shoulder and took another look. The shape is actually identical to what you have arrows pointing to in image 3, let's call it a police badge shaped shoulder patch.

I have an example security guard shirt on the Blowups page I saw on an online store. It has that shape shoulder patch but the actual (cloth) badge on the shirt is a starred sheriff's type badge. It's a very light gray color. It's short sleeved but a long sleeved version of that shirt would match just about perfectly with what we see. But it's an example I found on a security guard clothing site. I haven't seen any security guards wearing something like that, so was very pleased to run across it in my hours and hours of image searching.

Anyway, if you were to take that badge shape above and hold it over the bracketed area, you could literally match it up right there. You will be surprised when you see it. Above your red brackets is all white. Coming down into brackets is white. The first darkness is the right corner of the badge shape. It is tilted up a little, across and down over to rail is the top, basically that mickey mouse ears badge shape. From there you can see it curve down and in just like badge shape, and you can see the entire shape including the bottom. There is a diagonal white streak of light across it that breaks it up a little, that might be throwing you off.

Thanks again for that compliment, Truth. Much appreciated.

 

[rd_jfc]

That car in the background, has the camera changed its colour too? Or is it just clothing it affects , image wise??

Marky, if you take a look at the example images of surveillance camera with and without IR filter open you can see it can have some effect on other objects, mostly a greenish tint for some things, but not like clothes. Totally dark clothes are light gray. It's a light absorption factor I expect. I posted that last year so it's in this thread, more than once as I discuss it occasionally, but I don't know how many pages back. It's also on the Blowups page at bottom.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I saw the photos Truth and RD have been analyzing in the thread and can't help but think of the murder of Sasha Samsudean by a security guard in her apartment complex named Stephen Duxbury. I'm not sure if he took the stand at his own trial, but if anything on the record discusses his employment background it may shed light on the possible security companies uniforms/logos that resemble the POI's clothing features that RD and Truth have made visible here. Do apartment and condo complexes in Orlando typically utilize third party security guard companies to source their security staff, or do they hire and manage the individual guards directly themselves? We know it's possible that the clothing in the footage is actually dark and not as light as it appears. And that different security companies use different types of uniforms to identify themselves. Duxbury's uniform was a short-sleeved button up collared shirt, akin to law enforcement with patches on the shoulder and front pocket. In the footage from the apartment complex the night of the murder, you can see that he is also wearing a black long-sleeved shirt underneath his uniform, dark slacks and very informal sneakers that have a white stripe at the bottom. I know that there are lots of people here that have been down this road before, but I figured it was worth mentioning one more time.

I didn't follow this case and still don't know much about it, but I found the following surveillance photo of him following Sasha.

I think it's okay to post here because he is now a convicted felon and I'm posting only so we can take a look at his uniform/badges, etc.

One thing I note is that his badge is on his left side. And see how he seems to have "equipment" on his right hip area.

Just for whatever it's worth here on Jenn's thread--maybe nothing:

 

[liz b.]

hi NapQueen, we discussed just a page or two back. I looked at his background and he was a security guard in New Hampshire from 2004-2008. I would really like to see a confirmation that he was up there that week that Jennifer disappeared, but the resort hotel has changed ownership and is closed for repairs, two impediments to getting that question answered.

Being dressed as a security guard would make him stand out in the HOTG area. I'll bet he would have been noted there. This is very interesting.

 

[scadagirl28]

Thanks for those kind words, Truth. That actually made the months of work worth it.

I rolled back three pages here to your red bracketed image 1 shoulder and took another look. The shape is actually identical to what you have arrows pointing to in image 3, let's call it a police badge shaped shoulder patch.

I have an example security guard shirt on the Blowups page I saw on an online store. It has that shape shoulder patch but the actual (cloth) badge on the shirt is a starred sheriff's type badge. It's a very light gray color. It's short sleeved but a long sleeved version of that shirt would match just about perfectly with what we see. But it's an example I found on a security guard clothing site. I haven't seen any security guards wearing something like that, so was very pleased to run across it in my hours and hours of image searching.

Anyway, if you were to take that badge shape above and hold it over the bracketed area, you could literally match it up right there. You will be surprised when you see it. Above your red brackets is all white. Coming down into brackets is white. The first darkness is the right corner of the badge shape. It is tilted up a little, across and down over to rail is the top, basically that mickey mouse ears badge shape. From there you can see it curve down and in just like badge shape, and you can see the entire shape including the bottom. There is a diagonal white streak of light across it that breaks it up a little, that might be throwing you off.

Thanks again for that compliment, Truth. Much appreciated.

The items to his right are.....

 

[Truth Prevails]

Thanks for those kind words, Truth. That actually made the months of work worth it.

You're very welcome.

I rolled back three pages here to your red bracketed image 1 shoulder and took another look. The shape is actually identical to what you have arrows pointing to in image 3, let's call it a police badge shaped shoulder patch.

I have an example security guard shirt on the Blowups page I saw on an online store. It has that shape shoulder patch but the actual (cloth) badge on the shirt is a starred sheriff's type badge. It's a very light gray color. It's short sleeved but a long sleeved version of that shirt would match just about perfectly with what we see. But it's an example I found on a security guard clothing site. I haven't seen any security guards wearing something like that, so was very pleased to run across it in my hours and hours of image searching.

Oh, yes. Image searching can take some time. I think I have found and viewed the image you refer to above. I hope you won't mind if I post it below:

Anyway, if you were to take that badge shape above and hold it over the bracketed area, you could literally match it up right there. You will be surprised when you see it. Above your red brackets is all white. Coming down into brackets is white. The first darkness is the right corner of the badge shape. It is tilted up a little, across and down over to rail is the top, basically that mickey mouse ears badge shape. From there you can see it curve down and in just like badge shape, and you can see the entire shape including the bottom. There is a diagonal white streak of light across it that breaks it up a little, that might be throwing you off.

Thanks again for that compliment, Truth. Much appreciated.

I've been looking this over--and over.

So, I might understand what you mean; but don't hesitate to tell me if I've got it all wrong. I'll just go back and look some more.

Okay. If you look at the two circles in the image below, I think the faint outline of the cloth badge shape we see in Image 3 is inside the smaller circle. (It's really hard for me to see, though).

Then if we expand out to the larger circle, we see a different shape of a larger, bolder cloth badge which actually appears on top of the smaller cloth badge. This could be due to the slop/angle of the camera, the POI position, and/or the landscape slop. (I mean that as a question--I'm trying to understand how that could happen).

I think looking at the image of your gray t-shirt offers a good understanding of how the placement of the cloth badges could allow this to occur.

Even though I'm struggling with this, I do find it very interesting. If we consider Image 1--we are viewing the right side of the POI. If we consider Image 3--the face shot--in order for your theory to work, we have to conclude that he is looking back over his right shoulder. (Or if the cloth badges are on both right and left sleeves as in your image of the gray t-shirt, maybe not so much).

I don't know. I'd be more comfortable with it, if both the overlapping images appeared in Image 3; rather than both appearing in Image 1.

Anyway, I'll add my image with the two circles so you can better see what I'm describing. Also, I added a small image of an old Harley logo that I found on the front of a t-shirt and I thought it "kind-of" matched the shape I see in the larger circle.

 

[rd_jfc]

Truth, you have the gist of everything detailed. It's just a matter of interpretation now. I would clarify following:
1 - I expect shoulder patches are same on both shoulers almost always, as in for example the security shirt pictured (I myself borrowed from an online store, it's just an example shirt that has the police badge shape shoulder patches seen, not easily found, the same as everything else about this outfit.)

2 - I just mentioned the exanple shirt's cloth chest badge, a starred sheriff's badge, in passing, as in the chest badge is a different shaped badge. I did not mean to imply that anything about that starred sheriff's badge was seen in these images. A left chest badge wouldn't impact image 1 in any event.

3 - Your outer red circle encircles the police badge shaped shoulder patch perfectly. It is more difficult (impossible?) to see the full badge outline in the copy at that size. In the blowup image this comes from on the Blowups page, the perfect police badge shape is easily seen. You have to not let that dark logo overlapping the right bottom of the badge distract the eye. The right bottom corner of the badge shoulder patch is perfect even within that darkened logo type shape. In fact, one could see the forward thrust of the darkened area as shoulder patch movement. The key is to see the solid outline of the police badge exactly as seen in image 3.

4 - As a sidenote, I see (it's been many years) that I don't have image 1, then image 2, then image 3 highlights, I started with image 2 due to the best shot of the head, I was determining hat or hair, and then worked on image 1. This image 1 shoulder is further down the Blowups page after rolling through the image 2 detail.

5 - I tried for a long time to identify the darkened "logo" as from left side of shirt, like a tshirt logo or security guard logo, blurring in with shoulder patch. But at this point it appears to me to be blurred shoulder patch. The whole left side of the "ring" is the perfectly shaped police badge shape patch.

I thank readers for their forbearance as we analyzed these images. A lot of progress was made. I hope it provokes some thought among investigators.

thanks, and to you Truth

 

[Truth Prevails]

Thanks back to you, rd. It's a good time to let it all sink-in and contemplate.

 

[marable]

With regards to parking and backing up , I thought of this yesterday why the POI may have backed out and pulled forward again. ...Since I have started wearing bifocals I cannot get my car parked between the two lines to save my life unless I back up and pull forward again,....My bifocals has distorted my vision , I think that I have pulled in between the lines when in fact I am on one of the lines, perhaps the POI has the same problem....

 

[rd_jfc]

With regards to parking and backing up , I thought of this yesterday why the POI may have backed out and pulled forward again. ...Since I have started wearing bifocals I cannot get my car parked between the two lines to save my life unless I back up and pull forward again,....My bifocals has distorted my vision , I think that I have pulled in between the lines when in fact I am on one of the lines, perhaps the POI has the same problem....

That's a good thought. I personally think it should be expected that someone driving a car they're not used to will have a problem with the turning radius and angle in badly or miss the lines, etc. In fact I would be shocked if anyone just took a stolen car and parked cleanly first time. Heck, I backed up and pulled back in just yesterday or day before, and I've had my car 10 years.

I would expect POI would not want Jennifer's car to immediately attract undue attention, and therefore wanted it parked between the lines etc. For any number of reasons he probably needed to straighten it out.

 

[Questions123]

Hi all,
New to this thread and have listened to some of the podcast and this case is so frustrating. I do have some thoughts and apologize if they have been raised earlier as I haven't read from the start of the thread.

Assuming Jennifer did get dressed for work (we don't actually know what she eas wearing at the time of abduction) and left her apartment for work and was abducted in the morning that in itself is very brazen for the perpertrator. Her clothes were folden on her bed so she may have been planning different outfits but her mother did say her nine west alligator heels were missing and they were new. Do we know what time she started work, the distance and how long it took to get there? I'd imagine it would be light at the time she would leave.

As for the eating part sometimes when you're exhausted from travelling it can suppress hunger. She may have been planning to stop and grab something before work? Perhaps she was planning on leaving a bit earlier to get something.

The sniffer dog can only pick up a scent to the first step of the staircase to her condo not her door (Jennifer's condo was on 2nd floor) so that could mean she was grabbed at bottom of the stairwell.
We don't seem to have a verifiable timeframe of when that phone was powered down. It had been suggested night time but even Jennifer's own family have never been told what police know. If she was going to bed that night after her phone calls and didnt answer the door to her neighbour knocking I cannot see her answering to a stranger even later. Could her neighbour have been knocking to warn her they had seen someone suspicious hanging around and to be careful? It seems late for a neighbour to knock at the time they did.

Why did the perpertrator move her car at all what was the need and why so close to where she lived? Perhaps they planned on returning it to Jennifer's carpark but didn't anticipate family and law enforcement to be on the scene so quickly?

Another theory is that perhaps her phone died after her late night conversations the night she returned and she left her charger in the car? She possibly went to get it at night time and she was an opportunistic crime?

As we have such little information to go on there is no end to the theories.

 

[rd_jfc]

hi Questions, lots of issues you raised for people to address. I want to only address one of them, the shoes.

Whereas the new shoes missing is used to make a point she was going to work, I have the opposite opinion.

There is no doubt in my mind that new shoes that she talked about with her family was taken with her on the weekend island trip. That's pretty much why you buy shoes exciting enough to tell your family about. It was also Jennifer's custom to keep her shoes in a briefcase and wear comfortable shoes driving. And by same token leave them in car overnight, no reason to bring that in.

In addition, Jennifer had her trip luggage to bring in which would would be even more incentive to leave something she often left in the car in the car that night.

There is nothing about Jennifer's history and the situation that would suggest Jennifer didn't take those shoes on the trip, didn't wear them to work Monday, and did bring them in Monday night to wear back out to car Tuesday morning just to take them off again. In other words, she'd be putting them on or carrying the briefcase to put them on in morning just to walk from her car to front door. As soon as she returned to car in morning, she'd be taking them right back off.

That scenario is unlikely, and illogical that that scenario would be used to show she was going to work Tuesday morning.

Good that you mentioned it, I need to refresh that point every so often.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Hi all,
New to this thread and have listened to some of the podcast and this case is so frustrating. I do have some thoughts and apologize if they have been raised earlier as I haven't read from the start of the thread.

Assuming Jennifer did get dressed for work (we don't actually know what she eas wearing at the time of abduction) and left her apartment for work and was abducted in the morning that in itself is very brazen for the perpertrator. Her clothes were folden on her bed so she may have been planning different outfits but her mother did say her nine west alligator heels were missing and they were new. Do we know what time she started work, the distance and how long it took to get there? I'd imagine it would be light at the time she would leave.

As for the eating part sometimes when you're exhausted from travelling it can suppress hunger. She may have been planning to stop and grab something before work? Perhaps she was planning on leaving a bit earlier to get something.

The sniffer dog can only pick up a scent to the first step of the staircase to her condo not her door (Jennifer's condo was on 2nd floor) so that could mean she was grabbed at bottom of the stairwell.

We don't seem to have a verifiable timeframe of when that phone was powered down. It had been suggested night time but even Jennifer's own family have never been told what police know. If she was going to bed that night after her phone calls and didnt answer the door to her neighbour knocking I cannot see her answering to a stranger even later. Could her neighbour have been knocking to warn her they had seen someone suspicious hanging around and to be careful? It seems late for a neighbour to knock at the time they did.

Why did the perpertrator move her car at all what was the need and why so close to where she lived? Perhaps they planned on returning it to Jennifer's carpark but didn't anticipate family and law enforcement to be on the scene so quickly?

Another theory is that perhaps her phone died after her late night conversations the night she returned and she left her charger in the car? She possibly went to get it at night time and she was an opportunistic crime?

As we have such little information to go on there is no end to the theories.

1st Bold: According to Google Maps, it is 12.427 miles from Jenn’s condo to her place of work and would take about 19 minutes driving time. It's believed Jenn would leave for work between 7:30 am and 8:00 am. I'm not sure of her actual work hours.

2nd Bold: Well, Mr. Kesse believes he was given an actual time. In case you haven’t come across that podcast yet, I’ll link it and let you decide.

Try @ about 8:49 minutes in:
https://audioboom.com/posts/6334818-going-forward

3rd Bold: Interesting theory, but to quote Mr. Kesse from the above link: ...“And within that conversation, I was told that at a certain point the phones were not powered down, but either destroyed or batteries physically taken out.”... That’s quite different from Jennifer’s cell phone just needing recharging.

You said:

If she was going to bed that night after her phone calls and didnt answer the door to her neighbour knocking I cannot see her answering to a stranger even later. Could her neighbour have been knocking to warn her they had seen someone suspicious hanging around and to be careful? It seems late for a neighbour to knock at the time they did.

I've kind of wondered the same exact things. Also, I’ve been thinking about the small bottle of mace everyone says was found on her kitchen counter—could it mean she retrieved it and set it close because she was scared?

I know everyone says that she removed it from her key ring before her vacation, which makes sense, of course.

But still, maybe the knock had her more concerned than we realize.

I’ve been reviewing old threads here at Websleuths and twice I’ve come across comments mentioning that about two weeks before Jenn’s vacation, she awoke to hear someone jiggling her doorknob.

Everything is so convoluted in this case that I’m not sure if this "two weeks before jiggle" would be the same event as the "knock on her door on the evening of the 23rd", or not.

I have to say, though, if the two events are different, I would certainly have gotten my mace out. And probably anything else I could think of in the weapons department.

So, with the above, I can't think of a single way someone would have convinced her to go outside or open her door. But somehow I believe they did.

 

[rd_jfc]

interesting Truth, the above quote by Drew Kesse is similar to the jenniferkesse.com post which I was told by many here was superceded by some video statement to the contrary about knowing anything, and at no point was that video quote mentioned. Is that a recent quote? I've been quoting that post for seems like years now to little avail, like maybe the post never happened or something, who knows, and now see he talked about it as well. If that's recent that is most interesting. If not recent, wondering why I haven't seen anything about it before.

I don't think it's possible to credit you enough with all the information you bring to light here.

 

[Truth Prevails]

interesting Truth, the above quote by Drew Kesse is similar to the jenniferkesse.com post which I was told by many here was superceded by some video statement to the contrary about knowing anything, and at no point was that video quote mentioned. Is that a recent quote? I've been quoting that post for seems like years now to little avail, like maybe the post never happened or something, who knows, and now see he talked about it as well. If that's recent that is most interesting. If not recent, wondering why I haven't seen anything about it before.

I don't think it's possible to credit you enough with all the information you bring to light here.

Yes, indeed, it is amazingly similar.

The quote is from my transcription of that very video. Episode 22, titled: "Going Forward" was released September 25, 2017. It is from the podcast "Unconcluded: Jennifer Kesse".

I will link it below with the portion I transcribed.

Mr. Kesse says the ping study is basically garbage and Gurd gives a stern reinforcement talk stating the "evidence is not reliable".

I'm not a kid anymore and know that what I read and hear from sources other than the podcast indicates the ping study was considered good enough that law enforcement based at least some of their early searches on locations revealed by the pings.

Clearly to my mind, it cannot be a coincidence that mere minutes after Jennifer’s last verifiable phone call with her boyfriend (from her condo landline), her cell phone would show movement for 20 to 30 minutes and then join Jennifer in never being seen nor heard from again.

Couple this with the same thing happening to Travis' phone at the same time, which was also in Jenn's possession. (And both Mr. and Mrs. Kesse are always consistent in this.)

When Rob tried to call her—probably between 8 and 8:30 am on the 24th—her cell phone went directly to voice mail.

It all points to Jennifer being gone long before morning. Even dumping the car at high noon on the 24th—there was time to attend to the small details of covering the crime.

As usual, I've gone on too long and I still have to add the transcript. I offer my apologies for the length and add that I'm solely responsible for any errors. I encourage everyone to listen to the podcast for themselves.

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@ 8:49 minutes in:
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Mr. Kesse: I do want to clarify one thing concerning the cell phones. I really want to—I’ve gotten down to the bottom of everything and I’m comfortable with what has happened with that, and if I could just straighten that out right now—‘cause it always seems to be a core of controversy.

And it has been with us, too, honestly.

So, if I can just straighten the—when the cell phones were turned off and the ping study and what-have-you—I’d liked to really straighten that out; and to maybe get people just not to look at the ping study anymore because really we just [unclear].

At any rate, when we had the ping study, we were brought into a room with the law enforcement and they explained to us basically, quote, unquote, that, really, Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, you didn’t know your daughter.

She was out up here in a bad area [unclear].

So we looked at the ping study and we’re sitting there and none of the pings made sense to me. I’m just a stupid guy. And none of them made sense to me. Well, how could she be down south and 30 seconds later she is 20 miles north. Out here and over there.

And I’m like, you can’t go by that. This is not good. Obviously it’s not good. Anybody who knows—who just looks at it—knows it’s not good.

Well, no, this is how it was.

And within that conversation, I was told that at a certain point the phones were not powered down, but either destroyed or batteries physically taken out. And I was told the time—and I think the time was somewhere between 10:40 and—10:20 and 10:40 PM on the 23rd; the night before we reported Jennifer missing.

And there has been a lot of controversy; a lot of anxiety over the years of, well, is it at night or is it in the morning? Is it at night or is it in the morning?

And up until, honestly, only probably maybe two [unclear] having a family discussion, it kind of came up again. And I think it was really because of the show. And I have—first of all Logan wasn’t even in the [unclear].

But I have a totally, I guess, different view point of that meeting than anyone else had because I remember being told directly what happened and at what time.

And it seems between that time which was [unclear] maybe even 10 years ago now that conversation took place. Maybe even 11 years, actually.

They’ve walked back on that. And everything I’ve been able to ascertain even in the last couple of weeks that I’ve stuck my neck out—not neck—but stuck my head out; asked some questions here, there and everywhere.

They really don’t know when that phone was turned off because the ping study is absolutely no good.

I was able to actually get someone at law enforcement to get Verizon specialists to look at the ping study [unclear].

And the Verizon specialist said you can’t go by this; you might as well just [unclear] it out because it’s obvious what’s happening here—it’s pinging all over the place. It doesn’t know—I can’t tell you where that phone was from this ping study. It just doesn’t.

And people have to remember, this is infant—not infancy—but, you know, it’s only 10 years into cell phone life. There is no Facebook; texting was still the old, you had to hit one, two, or three on the buttons for a, b and c. [unclear]

There was no Google Earth [unclear]

So, over the years, honestly, something that I have always believed, comes to be just we can’t believe it because the ping study is so unreliable that it is basically garbage.

So I want to get that out there and straighten that out that don’t worry about the ping study accuracy [unclear]

And we talked to Horizon in the past [unclear]

You know, you know—which ping is right?

You know, out of maybe 11 pings that they show—which ping is right? I can’t tell you which ping is right. [unclear]

So, [unclear] has been because of that ping study. But I think it’s a lot of heart ache in my head and heart that the ping study is just out. We shouldn’t believe anything of it.

I really wanted to get that out there because a lot of time is spent on that sometimes on line and what-have-you. It’s just not worth it. Absolutely. And we can’t use that.
. . .
https://audioboom.com/posts/6334818-going-forward

 

[rd_jfc]

That's amazing, Truth. He gives the same details as the post he made some years earlier but says disregard it because the cell phone switched from one tower to another and back? Which ping is right? That's like saying oh you called A, then you called B, then you called A again. Which one were you talking to?

 

[Questions123]

I'm at the end of the podcast and it is frustrating as we are the same point we started at.

Just one thing i noted is that the phone Jennifer was going to mail to her brothers friend was also missing. This could point to that she took it with her that morning to post & I'm sure he has been looked at but wouldn't that be a good reason to get into Jennifer's apartment she would open the door to him at night? Was he the one that had a crush on her? His alibi must have already been checked?

I just don't believe she was abducted in daylight its far too risky someone wouldve seen something. I really feel something happened at night time despite what the Kessies say.

 

[liz b.]

Yes, indeed, it is amazingly similar.

The quote is from my transcription of that very video. Episode 22, titled: "Going Forward" was released September 25, 2017. It is from the podcast "Unconcluded: Jennifer Kesse".

I will link it below with the portion I transcribed.

Mr. Kesse says the ping study is basically garbage and Gurd gives a stern reinforcement talk stating the "evidence is not reliable".

I'm not a kid anymore and know that what I read and hear from sources other than the podcast indicates the ping study was considered good enough that law enforcement based at least some of their early searches on locations revealed by the pings.

Clearly to my mind, it cannot be a coincidence that mere minutes after Jennifer’s last verifiable phone call with her boyfriend (from her condo landline), her cell phone would show movement for 20 to 30 minutes and then join Jennifer in never being seen nor heard from again.

Couple this with the same thing happening to Travis' phone at the same time, which was also in Jenn's possession. (And both Mr. and Mrs. Kesse are always consistent in this.)

When Rob tried to call her—probably between 8 and 8:30 am on the 24th—her cell phone went directly to voice mail.

It all points to Jennifer being gone long before morning. Even dumping the car at high noon on the 24th—there was time to attend to the small details of covering the crime.

As usual, I've gone on too long and I still have to add the transcript. I offer my apologies for the length and add that I'm solely responsible for any errors. I encourage everyone to listen to the podcast for themselves.

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@ 8:49 minutes in:
. . .

Mr. Kesse: I do want to clarify one thing concerning the cell phones. I really want to—I’ve gotten down to the bottom of everything and I’m comfortable with what has happened with that, and if I could just straighten that out right now—‘cause it always seems to be a core of controversy.

And it has been with us, too, honestly.

So, if I can just straighten the—when the cell phones were turned off and the ping study and what-have-you—I’d liked to really straighten that out; and to maybe get people just not to look at the ping study anymore because really we just [unclear].

At any rate, when we had the ping study, we were brought into a room with the law enforcement and they explained to us basically, quote, unquote, that, really, Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, you didn’t know your daughter.

She was out up here in a bad area [unclear].

So we looked at the ping study and we’re sitting there and none of the pings made sense to me. I’m just a stupid guy. And none of them made sense to me. Well, how could she be down south and 30 seconds later she is 20 miles north. Out here and over there.

And I’m like, you can’t go by that. This is not good. Obviously it’s not good. Anybody who knows—who just looks at it—knows it’s not good.

Well, no, this is how it was.

And within that conversation, I was told that at a certain point the phones were not powered down, but either destroyed or batteries physically taken out. And I was told the time—and I think the time was somewhere between 10:40 and—10:20 and 10:40 PM on the 23rd; the night before we reported Jennifer missing.

And there has been a lot of controversy; a lot of anxiety over the years of, well, is it at night or is it in the morning? Is it at night or is it in the morning?

And up until, honestly, only probably maybe two [unclear] having a family discussion, it kind of came up again. And I think it was really because of the show. And I have—first of all Logan wasn’t even in the [unclear].

But I have a totally, I guess, different view point of that meeting than anyone else had because I remember being told directly what happened and at what time.

And it seems between that time which was [unclear] maybe even 10 years ago now that conversation took place. Maybe even 11 years, actually.

They’ve walked back on that. And everything I’ve been able to ascertain even in the last couple of weeks that I’ve stuck my neck out—not neck—but stuck my head out; asked some questions here, there and everywhere.

They really don’t know when that phone was turned off because the ping study is absolutely no good.

I was able to actually get someone at law enforcement to get Verizon specialists to look at the ping study [unclear].

And the Verizon specialist said you can’t go by this; you might as well just [unclear] it out because it’s obvious what’s happening here—it’s pinging all over the place. It doesn’t know—I can’t tell you where that phone was from this ping study. It just doesn’t.

And people have to remember, this is infant—not infancy—but, you know, it’s only 10 years into cell phone life. There is no Facebook; texting was still the old, you had to hit one, two, or three on the buttons for a, b and c. [unclear]

There was no Google Earth [unclear]

So, over the years, honestly, something that I have always believed, comes to be just we can’t believe it because the ping study is so unreliable that it is basically garbage.

So I want to get that out there and straighten that out that don’t worry about the ping study accuracy [unclear]

And we talked to Horizon in the past [unclear]

You know, you know—which ping is right?

You know, out of maybe 11 pings that they show—which ping is right? I can’t tell you which ping is right. [unclear]

So, [unclear] has been because of that ping study. But I think it’s a lot of heart ache in my head and heart that the ping study is just out. We shouldn’t believe anything of it.

I really wanted to get that out there because a lot of time is spent on that sometimes on line and what-have-you. It’s just not worth it. Absolutely. And we can’t use that.
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This : " mere minutes after her last verifiable conversation on the landline, with her BF, JK's cell shows movement for 20 - 30 minutes. Then she , and the phone were never heard from again."

What if : JK wasn't really in bed when she spoke to her BF. She just told him that. And she knew who was knocking at her door. When she got off the phone with her BF she let the person at the door into her condo. And left to go out with that person(s)a few minutes after she got off the phone with her BF.

 

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That's amazing, Truth. He gives the same details as the post he made some years earlier but says disregard it because the cell phone switched from one tower to another and back? Which ping is right? That's like saying oh you called A, then you called B, then you called A again. Which one were you talking to?

This is a clever analogy--makes me smirk a little every time I read it.

I'm at the end of the podcast and it is frustrating as we are the same point we started at.

Just one thing i noted is that the phone Jennifer was going to mail to her brothers friend was also missing. This could point to that she took it with her that morning to post & I'm sure he has been looked at but wouldn't that be a good reason to get into Jennifer's apartment she would open the door to him at night? Was he the one that had a crush on her? His alibi must have already been checked?

I just don't believe she was abducted in daylight its far too risky someone wouldve seen something. I really feel something happened at night time despite what the Kessies say.

The cell phone belonged to Travis. He was and is, I guess, a longtime friend of Logan and Jennifer. Actually, he is referred to as a "Kesse family" friend. He stayed in Jenn's condo with Logan the whole time Jenn was in St. Croix with her boyfriend, Rob. I think it is also important to note Travis returned to Jennifer's condo with Logan on the 24th--so it's unlikely he lived in Orlando.

I hope someone jumps in to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Logan stated on one of the mini-documentaries on Jenn's case that he and Travis were both investigated and polygraphed.

Travis is not the male friend that Jenn had formerly dated and who purportedly still carried a torch for her. (And got "stinking drunk per Mr. Kesse" at the Blue Martini on the evening of the 23rd). This person did live in Orlando at the time. It came out through the current podcast that an "unnamed source" stated this person had only joined Logan and Travis at Jennifer's condo for "drinks" one evening. He offered to take a poly but LE failed to follow-up on it. It is said his alibi checked out. Again, these last bits of information come only from an "unnamed podcast source".

This : " mere minutes after her last verifiable conversation on the landline, with her BF, JK's cell shows movement for 20 - 30 minutes. Then she , and the phone were never heard from again."

What if : JK wasn't really in bed when she spoke to her BF. She just told him that. And she knew who was knocking at her door. When she got off the phone with her BF she let the person at the door into her condo. And left to go out with that person(s)a few minutes after she got off the phone with her BF.

This seems to be the theory du jour. One theory is as good another, so I hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings when I say that I don't personally subscribe to it.

I try not to put Jennifer on a pedestal, but I do believe that she was a sincere, hard-working, and loyal individual. I don't believe she would have told Rob she was in bed for the night and then gone out on him. Jennifer loved Rob and wanted to spend the rest of her life with him. I feel it's unlikely she would have lied to him in such a blatant, disrespectful manner.

What if the knock had occurred during the approximate two-hour conversation (?) Jenn had with her girlfriend since the 2nd grade? Keep in mind that if we believe the ping study, she was most likely only at her condo for about three/three and a half hours before whatever happened, happened--so possibly two out of the approximate three hours, Jennifer had talked to her girlfriend.

All we really know is that a knock occurred on her door at an unknown time during the evening of the 23rd and for some reason Jennifer "believed" it was her male, upstairs neighbor. We are told she did not answer. Did she look out through her peephole? Did she assume it was the male, upstairs neighbor because he had a habit of knocking on her door in the evening?

What if she didn't have her car parked in its normal spot with her condo number on it and this (plus the unanswered knock) lead someone to believe she still was not home from vacation? What if they came back a little later with a key--by this time Jennifer had finished her conversations with Travis, her girlfriend, and Rob and was in bed beginning to fall asleep. Had she been so exhausted that evening she hadn't placed the chairs under her doorknobs?

I dunno. I don't really favor a surprise attack because this whole thing seems too well planned to me. I'm just sitting here wasting my time, I guess.