FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #12

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@liz - we can't go there, and there's nothing really that drives us there.

I know we can't go there. Nothing that drives us there ? Not so much. And there's not much of anything that drives us anywhere. One thing : I wondered about the seeming lack of food/beverages too. She may have gone out that night, but jmo.

one other thing : I know next to nothing about her last day at work. Do you ? In a couple of other cases I followed, the missing persons' last day was gone over with a fine tooth comb by sleuthers. And, unbeknownst to us, the answer to what happened was right there in that last day. Just wonder about her day at work/lunch/phone calls.
 
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jeniffer was talking to Rob at 10:00 pm at night, because the pings stopped shortly after this last phone call
maybe the predator was standing outside the building watching her apt ,when he saw the lights turned off he knew jennifer went to bed and he opened the door with a key. Or he was in the apt before jennifer got there.Around 500 -600 pm he walked to her apt.He saw the parking spot is empty so he knew jennifer didn't arrive yet .He opened the door with a key and was hiding in the closet until jennifer went to bed
BBM - This made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck, but thank you so much for adding it. Amazing. He would have heard every word of all her phone conversations. He would have known she had the other cell phone.


There's a lot of truth to this, but note that she was talking on her landline at 10 pm, her cell phone and from what little has been said the friend's cell phone were the phones pinging. There's a lot we don't know.

There was said to be 11 pings identified. There's an implied two towers. (Which ping is right?) Was the time range of those pings arbitrary? Were they after the 10 pm call so focus is on what happened then? Was one of the two towers handling her condo area, for example, all pings before 10 pm (if any) were to same tower? Were none of the pings before 10 pm so that possibly pings obtained were from outside her condo range?

Of course the tower locations are known and also what the normal controlling tower for her condo area at that time. But we don't know that, hence the question. A typical scenario might be some pings before 10 to same tower, some time after 10 another tower was involved and then switched back, implying movement, and last pings of the two phones at whatever time was indicated, said to be between 10:20 and 10:40 pm.

The towers switching before phones went dead is an important indication. It makes it very unlikely that the phones were disabled in her condo and taken with her, more likely the phones were on when driving and then disabled. It makes for a very unlikely scenario to gather the phone from her condo to take with her, along with other stuff, drive some ways and then disable the phones within a few minutes. The phones would likely be on longer if the abductor was establishing a false direction before disabling the phones.

It has all the earmarks of Jennifer taking the stuff with her, driving not far, and being abducted where the abductor disabled the phones in her possession which an abductor with some knowledge would do. There may be a desire to say well if Jennifer didn't go out then someone forced their way in and abducted her, but the cell phone ping information doesn't support that.
I know you're right, RD. If "he" was already in Jenn's condo, why wouldn't he just take her out at gun point or whatever--leaving the phones, leaving her car, leaving everything. It's the cleanest/simplest.

Since we know it didn't happen that way--short of someone calling her and telling her the condo was going to explode in 10 minutes, I can't see her leaving under her own freewill without at least using her cell phone for one of those "safe calls". (Unless she tried, but the reception was so bad she couldn't get it to work in time).

You're close, though. Probably as close as anyone can come without seeing all the evidence.
 
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Truth Prevails wrote: Another thing about this--we really need motive. The above scenario doesn't usually fit with sexual assault.

I admit the forced abduction into own vehicle is not something you hear of much. Grabbed and forced into abductor's vehicle? All too frequent. I assume this is probably an abductor without a vehicle or one who thinks the odds of avoiding being caught are much less in victim's vehicle, and there's some reason to that.

The purported scenario of abducting Jennifer at her own car in morning by a construction laborer is the same thing, sexual assault by abducting her at her vehicle. Would be no different at night, same motive and means. I think the profile is the same as these predators that grab women in mall parking lots, etc. Caucasian male, not young, subdues and terrorizes the victim.

I'm afraid that's all the motive these creatures need.
 
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Truth Prevails wrote: Another thing about this--we really need motive. The above scenario doesn't usually fit with sexual assault.

I admit the forced abduction into own vehicle is not something you hear of much. Grabbed and forced into abductor's vehicle? All too frequent. I assume this is probably an abductor without a vehicle or one who thinks the odds of avoiding being caught are much less in victim's vehicle, and there's some reason to that.

The purported scenario of abducting Jennifer at her own car in morning by a construction laborer is the same thing, sexual assault by abducting her at her vehicle. Would be no different at night, same motive and means. I think the profile is the same as these predators that grab women in mall parking lots, etc. Caucasian male, not young, subdues and terrorizes the victim.

I'm afraid that's all the motive these creatures need.
There are many cases of women being lured into their own vehicles before being raped and murdered. What all of those other cases have in common is, the victims were acquainted with their murderers.
 
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FYI, not to distract from this discussion on Jennifer, but since a lot of you know me pretty well thought you might be interested that I'm in the Mysteries & Scandals show on Chandra Levy that's out now. Can be streamed from various sources. I haven't seen it yet, will watch it tonight.

Always glad when we can get some focus on a case. I guess we're not there yet with Jennifer Kesse's disappearance, The podcasts have it covered, probably right venue for state of this case.
 
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FYI, not to distract from this discussion on Jennifer, but since a lot of you know me pretty well thought you might be interested that I'm in the Mysteries & Scandals show on Chandra Levy that's out now. Can be streamed from various sources. I haven't seen it yet, will watch it tonight.

Always glad when we can get some focus on a case. I guess we're not there yet with Jennifer Kesse's disappearance, The podcasts have it covered, probably right venue for state of this case.
O/T Congratulations Mr. Daugherty !! Don't go to Hollywood on us ; )
 
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Its mentioned further back , that jen once drove miles to comfort a friend at night ? Could something similar happened, but turned sour?

Never heard that, but it's an interesting insight.
 
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FYI, not to distract from this discussion on Jennifer, but since a lot of you know me pretty well thought you might be interested that I'm in the Mysteries & Scandals show on Chandra Levy that's out now. Can be streamed from various sources. I haven't seen it yet, will watch it tonight.

Always glad when we can get some focus on a case. I guess we're not there yet with Jennifer Kesse's disappearance, The podcasts have it covered, probably right venue for state of this case.

Wow, that's impressive , good for you !
 
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Speaking of podcasts, is there anything new coming in interviews about Jennifer?
 
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So the trace DNA found in the car. Was it tested, and matched no one in the criminal database ? Did the circle of people around JK give DNA samples to be tested ? If so, who did, and who did not ?

That LE will not reveal her phone calls for that last day at work, and early evening is likely significant. Something there that caught their interest. jmo
 
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I am just at the beginning of the thread so I have a lot more to read but im wondering about the friend Travis. Maybe he left his phone there on purpose as a ploy to get in to jens apartment. On his phone call with Jen he could of told her that he would come over that night and pick the phone up himself. Maybe he fancied her and made a pass at her and things went bad. As for how the abductor knew that Jen had 2 phones... he would know this information because one of them was his phone. While he was driving to jens he had no phone with him so his movements cant be traced. Her body could have been taken out of the apartment in a suitcase or a sports bag .

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I am just at the beginning of the thread so I have a lot more to read but im wondering about the friend Travis. Maybe he left his phone there on purpose as a ploy to get in to jens apartment. On his phone call with Jen he could of told her that he would come over that night and pick the phone up himself. Maybe he fancied her and made a pass at her and things went bad. As for how the abductor knew that Jen had 2 phones... he would know this information because one of them was his phone. While he was driving to jens he had no phone with him so his movements cant be traced. Her body could have been taken out of the apartment in a suitcase or a sports bag .

I'm with you re. the friend, but I don't think Jennifer was killed in her own apartment; I think she was lured out somehow (or possibly grabbed in the doorway). There would have been some evidence if she had been attacked inside the apartment.

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So the trace DNA found in the car. Was it tested, and matched no one in the criminal database ? Did the circle of people around JK give DNA samples to be tested ? If so, who did, and who did not ?

That LE will not reveal her phone calls for that last day at work, and early evening is likely significant. Something there that caught their interest. jmo

I imagine the problem could be any poi who is known to jenn , could have been in the car previously , for a genuine reason?
 
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I am just at the beginning of the thread so I have a lot more to read but im wondering about the friend Travis. Maybe he left his phone there on purpose as a ploy to get in to jens apartment. On his phone call with Jen he could of told her that he would come over that night and pick the phone up himself. Maybe he fancied her and made a pass at her and things went bad. As for how the abductor knew that Jen had 2 phones... he would know this information because one of them was his phone. While he was driving to jens he had no phone with him so his movements cant be traced. Her body could have been taken out of the apartment in a suitcase or a sports bag .

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Or maybe he called and asked for his work phone to be overnighted to him.
 
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I imagine the problem could be any poi who is known to jenn , could have been in the car previously , for a genuine reason?

yes, but it would be great to have a statement from someone to the effect that they "had never" been in her car, and the dna matches them. Well, I can hope,right ?

I have a question : when LE took the scent dog to Jen's car, and the dog trailed the scent back to the back stairs outside Jen's condo, did the dog hit on the scent of the person who parked her car ?
 
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Does anyone know how far away her brothers friend lived who left the phone at Jens condo?
 
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I've always been surprised that more details about Jennifer's brother (and his friends) spending the weekend at her condo have not been explored more. The brother's friend's missing mobile has factored into the disappearance and it's just another part that ties back to that weekend Jennifer's condo was being used by her brother. Questions I would like answered: had Logan used her condo before for that purpose with or without her being home? Was she aware he was using her condo before the gathering occurred? So my math could be a bit off considering exact dates but I think Logan would have been 21 at the time of her disappearance. Were all of his friends 21? Had any/all of his friends met Jennifer? If so, what level were the relationships? i.e. just knowing one of their names through conversation, Facebook friends, hung out several times via Logan, etc.

He he lived in Tampa.
 
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Does anyone have any idea what happened to Jennifer's condo, car, belongings? Did her family take over the condo payments? Is her car still "evidence" lost in a huge police lot? And just other small things like does someone still pay her cell phone bill just in case? What happened to her bank account? How long did her company, if they did, wait to replace her? This question could be applied to many other missing persons cases. Any ideas regarding this or any other cases?
 
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Does anyone have any idea what happened to Jennifer's condo, car, belongings? Did her family take over the condo payments? Is her car still "evidence" lost in a huge police lot? And just other small things like does someone still pay her cell phone bill just in case? What happened to her bank account? How long did her company, if they did, wait to replace her? This question could be applied to many other missing persons cases. Any ideas regarding this or any other cases?

I believe the flat was given up. The car was returned to the leasing company (big error in hindsight)
 
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