FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #14

[fridaybaker]

And maybe it also points to an "insider" that she was taken at her vehicle. Would a worker have lurked, out of the way, closer to her apartment?

 

[fridaybaker]

I hesitate to bring this up, but a long time ago there was much discussion about her being taken the evening before vs. in the a.m. The phone battery going "out" (or off, or whatever) and the knock at the door would obviously point to that. Also, what time was the usual wake up call to Travis? I thought it was one her way to work, but maybe I'm mistaken. If she usually called him before she was out the door, that would also point more toward an evening incident.

 

[minazoe]

I wonder, did her BF ever say why he didn't want to see her the upcoming weekend? was it a fight about him not wanting to see her or was it that he didn't want to see her because they were fighting about something else? I also wonder how often he was late for work...never? all the time? and the ex out drinking near by at a bar that night..could he have been the one banging on the door?..mOO

 

[Lebowski]

I'm leaning towards the idea that she didn't leave the apartment complex, was attacked somewhere inside and buried in concrete. No one saw anything, no body was found. Very lucky...

then why was the car moved?

 

[flgrl017]

I hesitate to bring this up, but a long time ago there was much discussion about her being taken the evening before vs. in the a.m. The phone battery going "out" (or off, or whatever) and the knock at the door would obviously point to that. Also, what time was the usual wake up call to Travis? I thought it was one her way to work, but maybe I'm mistaken. If she usually called him before she was out the door, that would also point more toward an evening incident.

I’m not sure if they can say for certain that the wake up call always was in the way to work. Rob’s first statement was she called him when she woke up (Nancy Grace 2/7/2006). He’s also said that he overslept, tried to call and text her before he left his place, he tried to call and text her when he was driving to work, and he texted her before he went into the 9 am meeting. The range they’ve given for Jennifer leaving for work was anytime between 7:30 and 8:15.

 

[flgrl017]

then why was the car moved?

I think the car is key. Her car was moved at least twice. It wasn’t driven very far according to the gas level. The car wasn’t at Mosaic when the manager looked around 11:30 am. HOTG is a very short 5 minute drive so it didn’t go directly from point a Mosaic to point b Huntington on the Green. I think this suggests the crime scene wasn’t at Mosaic.

 

[Lebowski]

trying to picture someone assaulting or kidnapping her, where her car becomes involved and she (or her body) ends up inside it, but preferably isn't super high risk, attention-grabbing behavior...

i think one of these seems likely:
- someone assaults her as she's getting into the car. if conspicuously, the perp then gets them both out of there quickly.
- someone assaults her on her way to her car, without being too conspicuous. e.g., pulls a gun and says "shut up and get in the car".
- the initial encounter and maybe also entering the car together was voluntary. believable if it's someone she knew. then things turned bad later. planned or not.

what doesn't seem likely to me:
- someone assaults her outside her apartment, conspicuously and for an extended period of time
- someone assaults her inside her apartment and then moves her or her body to her car
- someone assaults her in or near her apartment, disposes of her body on site, and then moves her car for some reason

 

[fridaybaker]

Hmm. Why can't we assume that J was kidnapped in her own vehicle, driven to the apartment building where one of the dogs traced her/perp to (can't remember which it was, J or the perp that the dogs were tracking) then the vehicle dropped off at HOTG. The other apartment building is where she was attacked. The vehicle needed to be away from there ASAP, as it was the crime scene and perhaps J was still there. HOTG was close-by, and provided an opportunity to maybe blend in with other vehicles. (Rather than dropping it off at a retail shop or other place where in a few hours there wouldn't be any other vehicles -it would stand out.) At an apartment complex there would be lots of vehicles 24/7.

Kidnapping at one's vehicle is in line with the prints on the hood, although not so with the knock on the door and the phone batteries. However, it is a pretty common point of kidnap.

 

[minazoe]

someone who knew her met her at her car. they were out there waiting for her or working on getting her to come out..theres just no reason for all the cover up...now why is this person so angry? need Joe K's take on this one. mOO

 

[Lebowski]

This is common knowledge, in fact the ex-boyfriend was also one of the men staying at her apartment that weekend while she was on vacation with her new boyfriend.

Generally, he has been presumed innocent for some reasons or another, and I don't believe he has a criminal history. I have (just) read that he supposedly showed up to his job the following morning, which would make him an unlikely suspect if true. But I haven't read anything definitive. He is definitely a logical suspect, by circumstance, in the event he cannot be ruled out.

I get the sense those close to the case presume him to be innocent, and don't want to subject him to public scrutiny by mentioning him.

wait... there were men staying at her apartment other than her current bf? do you mean her actual unit or just the same building?

 

[Lebowski]

someone who knew her met her at her car. they were out there waiting for her or working on getting her to come out..theres just no reason for all the cover up...now why is this person so angry? need Joe K's take on this one. mOO

yeah, disposing of the body strongly suggests it was someone she knew.

 

[fridaybaker]

wait... there were men staying at her apartment other than her current bf? do you mean her actual unit or just the same building?

Her ex-boyfriend was friends with her brother. The brother and a few friends, IIRC, including the ex-boyfriend, stayed at her apartment while she was on vacay with Rob. The ex actually left his phone there. Which is now really suspicious to me. That never really registered before. What is the typical stunt you do if you want to see someone again? Leave something in their vehicle. Their house, etc. If I remember right, I think her brother is the one who called her when she got in from the trip and told her that the ex had left his phone there.

 

[fridaybaker]

yeah, disposing of the body strongly suggests it was someone she knew.

Maybe, but if a stranger kidnaps someone at their vehicle, they need a place to leave the body. Any old dumpster would do and if it isn't found before it's emptied, you're home free.

I do agree with you if it's a home invasion or something. Or an attack, say, on a hiking trail or something, though. Then, you definitely leave the body.

 

[minazoe]

okay so I get this vibe of them being in a tiff..and the ex bf was staying there while they were on vaycay and is out at a bar nearby drinking and maybe her BF decides to jump in his car and drive 2 -3 hours to her house and watch her house to see if that BF shows up...Im just getting such a vibe about it. mOO