FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[CatLynnette]

My husband and I only saw one entrance to the Mosaic Condominiums by vehicle. If there is a second entrance I don't know how we possibly missed it.

I recall reading that the suspect's scent, which was picked up by the dog, took them either over or around a fence of the Mosaic to the stairwell of Jennifer's Condominium building.

 

[leftcoast]

My husband and I only saw one entrance to the Mosaic Condominiums by vehicle. If there is a second entrance I don't know how we possibly missed it.

I recall reading that the suspect's scent, which was picked up by the dog, took them either over or around a fence of the Mosaic to the stairwell of Jennifer's Condominium building.

I've heard the same.

I heard the scent lead to the middle of a fence, so the dog handler had to walk around the fence, go to the spot on the other side of the fence, and then the dog picked up the scent again which lead to JK" stairwell, or the sidewalk next to her stairwell.

If you look at an aerial view of Mosaic, I don't see where there is a "second" entrance to the complex. It appears to be surrounded in the back by forest. However, I've never been there, so, I could be wrong.

Plus, wouldn't it defeat the purpose of having a manned guard house, only to have an unchecked entrance elsewhere.
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[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.ownmosaic.com/flash/images/zoom/template.html I can't tell by their site map...but maybe. Let me look on the other arial map. No, you are right...I just see one entrance. I guess they were talking about the back not having a fence or the gates were left open to walking traffic.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Left said:

If the POI was a worker or resident, word travels quickly. <<Not that quickly to him tho. Remember...he would be busy with Jennifer and not hanging around workers etc. Besides, at the point of the parents' call...they only wanted them to do a 'wellness' check more or less. See if she is home and not answering her phone cause she is sick kind of thing. They wouldn't be really all that alarmed by the phone call at Mosaic.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If Jennifer drove straight to work, she had to unload all of her luggage. Would she have even brought in her briefcase? Oh, wait..maybe that is why she went out! She was unloading the car and hadn't gotten everything in one load. She came in and then waited til after she called Rob to go get whatever she left? Her purse? An extra bag? Maybe the clothes on her bed weren't laid out for work for the next day...but they were clothes she had taken with her for work on Monday! She tossed em on the bed instead of hanging them in the closet. Did Jennifer wear contacts? She might have had something in her makeup bag like a contact case she needed...so she opened it to find it and since she is a woman...just got stuff out to look in the makeup bag.

 

[leftcoast]

Left said:

If the POI was a worker or resident, word travels quickly. <<Not that quickly to him tho. Remember...he would be busy with Jennifer and not hanging around workers etc. Besides, at the point of the parents' call...they only wanted them to do a 'wellness' check more or less. See if she is home and not answering her phone cause she is sick kind of thing. They wouldn't be really all that alarmed by the phone call at Mosaic.

SS

The Kesse's phone call to Mosaic and the dumping of JK's car 45 minutes later could simply be a "coincidence". Who knows?

As for the call from the Kesses. They asked manangement to see if JK's car was in her spot, and to go into the residence and see if she was okay, or if anything was amiss.

Considering Logan immediately got into his car and started driving to Orlando, my personal opinion is that it was much more serious than a "wellness" check.

Don't forget, not only did JK not show up for work, or call to tell work she was ill or delayed, but, Mrs. Kesse said "she could always get a hold of JK on her cellphone". So, when the cellphone went directly to voicemail, Mrs. Kesse said she knew something was wrong immediately.

As for the worker's. It's just a theory. But, if the worker had a company cellphone, walkie talkie, etc, it wouldn't be that unusual for a complex to alert employees on the grounds to look out for JK or her car. Heck, the Kesse's had fliers on every door by 5pm, so, they obviously wanted everyone in the complex to know Jk was missing.

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[leftcoast]

If Jennifer drove straight to work, she had to unload all of her luggage. Would she have even brought in her briefcase? Oh, wait..maybe that is why she went out! She was unloading the car and hadn't gotten everything in one load. She came in and then waited til after she called Rob to go get whatever she left? Her purse? An extra bag? Maybe the clothes on her bed weren't laid out for work for the next day...but they were clothes she had taken with her for work on Monday! She tossed em on the bed instead of hanging them in the closet. Did Jennifer wear contacts? She might have had something in her makeup bag like a contact case she needed...so she opened it to find it and since she is a woman...just got stuff out to look in the makeup bag.

According to Joyce Kesse, the outfit JK wore to work Monday was laid neatly over a chair in JK's apartment. The outfits on the bed were different than the outfit worn to work on Monday.

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[CatLynnette]

http://www.ownmosaic.com/flash/images/zoom/template.html I can't tell by their site map...but maybe. Let me look on the other arial map. No, you are right...I just see one entrance. I guess they were talking about the back not having a fence or the gates were left open to walking traffic.

The back of the complex, which would be the top of the page on this map, is where there was construction of many apartment buildings. This provided easy walking access to the Mosaic Condominiums. I am not saying that the suspect took this route.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

According to Joyce Kesse, the outfit JK wore to work Monday was laid neatly over a chair in JK's apartment. The outfits on the bed were different than the outfit worn to work on Monday.

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Yes, but it didn't mean she didn't take those to Rob's with her. They did just come from a trip and she knew she was heading straight to work. If she is like other women...she overpacks for trips. She probably did change out of her clothes when she came home. Put on something comfy and laid those clothes on the chair. That would have been hours before talking to Rob...wouldn't it? She might have decided to eat, relax, or whatever before she went back to get the other stuff out of her car.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

SS

The Kesse's phone call to Mosaic and the dumping of JK's car 45 minutes later could simply be a "coincidence". Who knows? It really could have been tho. A freaky coincidence. He might have had the car elsewhere and not known anything about what was happening at Mosaic. Since there is only one gate...sounds plausible if no one saw Jenn's car leave after the phone call. The guard would have noticed.

As for the call from the Kesses. They asked manangement to see if JK's car was in her spot, and to go into the residence and see if she was okay, or if anything was amiss.

Considering Logan immediately got into his car and started driving to Orlando, my personal opinion is that it was much more serious than a "wellness" check. <<Yes, but not until they knew she wasn't in the apartment or around. Logan was with his parents before he left to drive to Orlando. He would have waited until they got word back. I meant the 'wellness' check wasn't that urgent for Mosaic...not the family. Not until they (security guard) couldn't find her, that is.

Would the security guard at the gate leave to go check on her? How many guards do they have?

As for the worker's. It's just a theory. But, if the worker had a company cellphone, walkie talkie, etc, it wouldn't be that unusual for a complex to alert employees on the grounds to look out for JK or her car. They wouldn't all be looking until the initial check was done and not found her at her apartment. This could have taken a little bit.

Heck, the Kesse's had fliers on every door by 5pm, so, they obviously wanted everyone in the complex to know Jk was missing. < They were fast! I applaud them!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My husband and I only saw one entrance to the Mosaic Condominiums by vehicle. If there is a second entrance I don't know how we possibly missed it.

I recall reading that the suspect's scent, which was picked up by the dog, took them either over or around a fence of the Mosaic to the stairwell of Jennifer's Condominium building.

Could he have friends that lived there and walked home a few times from HOTG? Or maybe he lives at HOTG and was taking that route to go spy on Jennifer, if he were stalking her. (Gosh, it creeps me out even to say it.) The dog would still be tracking his scent...but maybe he went another way that day. Just a thought.

 

[CatLynnette]

Could he have friends that lived there and walked home a few times from HOTG? Or maybe he lives at HOTG and was taking that route to go spy on Jennifer, if he were stalking her. (Gosh, it creeps me out even to say it.) The dog would still be tracking his scent...but maybe he went another way that day. Just a thought.

I don't believe that the suspect was very familiar with the Huntington On The Green Condominiums. Why would he park Jennifer's car where there are security cameras? The suspect probably didn't even realize that there were security cameras there until he walked past the gate with the sign. I will bet that when the suspect read the sign on the gate about security cameras he probably picked up the pace of his walk and he was probably very angry at himself for not being more careful.

 

[leftcoast]

Could he have friends that lived there and walked home a few times from HOTG? Or maybe he lives at HOTG and was taking that route to go spy on Jennifer, if he were stalking her. (Gosh, it creeps me out even to say it.) The dog would still be tracking his scent...but maybe he went another way that day. Just a thought.

I don't think the POI lives at HOTG. Only a fool would leave a stolen car of a missing woman on the grounds of an apartment in which he lives. PLus, the video shows him parking, and immediately leaving the grounds via the route around the pool.

Plus, if he was a resident of HOTG, he would have most likely known about the surveillance camera's around the pool area.

No, I think the dog was tracking his scent from when he parked the car on the 24th. those dogs are highly trained, and they follow a trail. If they lose the trail, they are trained to stop. So, I don't think the dog was following the scent from a different day. Possible, but unlikely, IMO

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[rd_jfc]

SS, the only reason being abducted in the parking lot after 10 pm wouldn't have to get serious consideration is that her personal stuff and even her brother's friend's cell phone are gone with her.

I do understand that all may have been in her purse, and she took the purse outside with her, but unlikely.

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[leftcoast]

It is true that the clothes on JK's bed could have simply been there because Jk was unpacking her suitcase. We talked at length about this four months ago.

However, Joyce Kesse knows her daughter well, and believes that JK was sleeping, woke up, took a shower, laid out various outfits, chose one to wear, selected the one outfit, and left the remaining on the bed.

I don't know JK"s habits, and it would be nice to know if she was one to leave clean clothes on a bed. I wouldn't.


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[leftcoast]

SS, the only reason being abducted in the parking lot after 10 pm wouldn't have to get serious consideration is that her personal stuff and even her brother's friend's cell phone are gone with her.

I do understand that all may have been in her purse, and she took the purse outside with her, but unlikely.

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Agree. Plus, Rob said JK was getting ready for bed or in bed, the wet shower the following afternoon, and Jk's mom's intuition.

I still think the landline has something to do with this case. Why won't LE release information about it? Was it cut, was someone buzzed in, did she order take out, or did LE do it just because they could?

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[Myserty64]

Many thanks Utopia for the link to the Dateline interview.
I repeat the link here because already it is a few pages back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756094/

In this we see Det Ring make the 'as close to a vanishing as I have seen' statement.
There is a lot of other good footage as well.
This was filmed in May 2006.

The thing that really hits home is after all this time we know nothing more that we did in May 2006. In fact, nothing has really changed since Feb '06.
Well, apart from some poor quality video we know nothing about the suspect.

This case is frustrating in the extreme.

 

[CatLynnette]

Another thought:
The suspect could have changed into other clothing before dropping off Jennifer's car. The residents of the Mosaic may not recognize the suspect in the clothes he was wearing when caught on security camera footage as he dropped off Jennifer's car at the Huntington On The Green. If police asked the Mosaic residents if they recognized the suspect, the residents probably wouldn't recognize him without the cap or if he was wearing other clothing that early morning of January 24, 2006.

If the suspect is indeed taller that the estimate given by police then people who may have thought that they had recognized the suspect may have then decided to dismiss it due to the height discrepancy.

 

[leftcoast]

Another thought:

If the suspect is indeed taller that the estimate given by police then people who may have thought that they had recognized the suspect may have then decided to dismiss it due to the height discrepancy.

Exactly right. Not to mention that LE is going to "focus" on people who fit the description. who knows if LE is even considering suspects taller than 5"5. IF not, it's possible, the POI was never even considered.

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[Myserty64]

I know it seems highly unlikely but was Jennifer abducted by someone she knew?

This case is so clean and devoid of physical evidence it must have been very well planned.
Was her guard down because of knowing her abductor?

Did her meeting up with this person turn into an abduction later on?
Could they have both left Mosaic as one person (Jennifer) giving someone she knew a lift someplace?

The main problem with the abductor being someone she knew is fitting the POI/suspect into the scenario.
Nobody recognises him.

I'm thinking we really have to go outside the square on this case.
We need angles nobody as considered before and that isn't easy.