FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[leftcoast]

UK

I think the reason why LE does withhold the 10 seconds, is too be able to discern the real suspect versus people who falsely confess.

In the US, it is common for people to confess to crimes, just to get their names in the paper. Usually these people are mental patients.

As for BB's photo, if the darkening is accurate?, then it appears the POI is wearing some type of stocking cap. Other's say it looks like a bun that a woman would wear, but, I say its' hard to discern.

We need to avoid making conclusions on blown up pictures, or assumptions. We don't want to exclude certain people erroneously.

I still think LE should take "profile" pictures of every suspect and compare them to the POI. Sure, it isn't a science, but if just may help. The guy or gal appears to have some rather thin calves.

Better yet, why not ask some of the "good suspects" to stand in front of the HOTG camera, and compare the results.

left

 

[Beyond Belief]

Under 35 yrs old. White, like part of t shirt shows through the gate in still 2, so I think he has a gut. Thin arms, but muscular calves and thighs. Broad from ear to eyes on side of head. Knows someone at Mosaic, or lives with elderly parent there. Runs errands, partially skilled handy man who helps out residents. Small time crook, fades in and out of the life of the person he knows there.
Connects at other condo to drink, do drugs.

 

[rd_jfc]

left, another poster elsewhere also thinks it looks like the suspect is wearing a bicycle helmet.

rd

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I really think this guy is someone obvious, but, who comes across as a saint. Maybe, like I;ve said before, he looks nothing like the picture. IF you put a hat on someone bald, it really does change the appearance. Especialy since we don't have much to start on.

That is why I would focus on what we do know. The exact time the car was dropped. Find out where every suspect was at exactly noon. And the body, especially the thin calves will hopefully be a clue.

LIke i've said, I think he is someone who works out, a runner, a cylist, appears to be in very good shape. Plus, hops a fence. Not this old man. Must be a youngster.

left

Yes, I think this guy does come across as a saint and is right under their noses. You are probably right, Left...they have talked to him already and for some reason didn't raise any suspicions at the time. However, I'm not sure this guy is an athlete or even that young (another reason he may have not raised an eyebrow to LE).

You have to remember he had just committed a major crime. He abducted a woman, had to get her completely under his control, did whatever he was going to do, then had just driven and dropped off her car at the risk of being found out. He had adrenaline pumping! Under those circumstances, hopping the fence wouldn't mean he had to be in shape.

They narrowed down their base of possible suspects into such a fine catagory that they have eliminated the probable so I don't think checking their alibis would turn up anything.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that the suspect is most likely either a resident of the Mosaic or else a worker at the Mosaic.

I think this is a point we can almost all agree on!

This would narrow down the field. So if the police will revisit Mosaic and reinterview every single person again plus go over the records at the time of her disappearance...they would have an actual starting place to begin anew. It is what this case is going to take...starting all over from the beginning and redoing everything they have already done to find the critical piece they are now missing.

 

[rd_jfc]

Question: It was said a few posts back that someone would have to be crazy (or something to that effect) to park the car of a missing woman in their own complex, suggesting why the suspect doesn't live in HOTG.

Why is that nuts, but abducting the woman from the complex where one lives or works likely?

Has anyone heard of a missing woman found to have been abducted by an apartment neighbor or apartment complex employee? I can't think of any.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

Question: It was said a few posts back that someone would have to be crazy (or something to that effect) to park the car of a missing woman in their own complex, suggesting why the suspect doesn't live in HOTG.

Why is that nuts, but abducting the woman from the complex where one lives or works likely?

Has anyone heard of a missing woman found to have been abducted by an apartment neighbor or apartment complex employee? I can't think of any.

rd

RD

Yes, I have seen on "cold case" on A & E where a neighbor abducted a girl who lived in the same complex.

LE had originally interviewed the man years earlier, but, he didn't have a record, and seemed to be genuine, so he was eliminated.

Years later, the cold squad noticed his name, and that he had also been a suspect in another case of a missing woman. So, I have seen it happen.

I think the point is that in this case, with a picture of the POI, we all seem to think if he was a resident of HOTG that the manager, neighbors, etc. would recognize him from the photo. (one could also argue this about Mosaic)

I agree that we shouldn't totally discount HOTG, but, my gut tells me it was just a dumping point. Considering the video, the dog scent, and him not being aware of the camera. IMO

Also, As far as Mosaic. Many of us believe that just maybe one of Jk's neighbors, workers, did abduct Jk at Mosaic. So, to avoid having Mosaic as the crime scene, the POI moved Jk's car to another complex to make LE believe she was abducted elsewhere, ie on the way to work, while visiting HOTG, etc. to take the heat off of Mosaic. At least, that is one possibility that I believe in.

left

 

[CatLynnette]

Question: It was said a few posts back that someone would have to be crazy (or something to that effect) to park the car of a missing woman in their own complex, suggesting why the suspect doesn't live in HOTG.

Why is that nuts, but abducting the woman from the complex where one lives or works likely?

Has anyone heard of a missing woman found to have been abducted by an apartment neighbor or apartment complex employee? I can't think of any.

rd

Of course Jennifer Kesse could have been abducted by a Mosaic neighbor. Think about Jessica Lunsford abducted by neighbor John Couey in Florida. Think about Danielle Van Dam abducted by neighbor David Westerfield in California.

 

[Taximom]

Question: It was said a few posts back that someone would have to be crazy (or something to that effect) to park the car of a missing woman in their own complex, suggesting why the suspect doesn't live in HOTG.

Why is that nuts, but abducting the woman from the complex where one lives or works likely?

Has anyone heard of a missing woman found to have been abducted by an apartment neighbor or apartment complex employee? I can't think of any.

rd

There was a little girl in the 9-13 yr old range abducted, molested and killed by a nutty guy in the same apt...but for the life of me I can't remember the name. I can still see her sweet face though. It happened about 2 years ago. I think the man was in his 20's and your typical loner/loser. I know Steve Huff wrote about it, probably on the older site.

 

[Jade]

Sadly it appears Jenn had a bad feeling.
http://jenniferkesse.com/jennifer-kesse-story.htm

>>>snipRecently, she shared concerns about living at the condos, though she was proud she could afford the place just two years after graduating from the University of Central Florida.

"This was her pride and accomplishment, bought it by herself. She had some concerns with the maintenance crew," Kesse said.

Her boyfriend, Robert Allen, agreed saying she was uncomfortable with the workers around. The buildings had just recently been converted to condos and only a handful of residents live in her unit.>>>snip

I was unable to view the video but from the stills IMO the suspect has a kind of long, low, loping gait with an exaggerated arm swing on one side. I am probably not describing it well but I have seen it before though. Trying to be Mr. Casual, I guess.

The shoes of the suspect look like they are covered in those booty thingies that exterminators put on to come into the house.

I think carpet cleaners wear them also.

Someone working around tile floors might be wearing booties to cover their shoes to keep from scuffing.

That lawn in the picture of the view from her balcony sure looks green. Do the lawn chemical guys wear booties while doing applications?

 

[Utopia]

Well this is timely...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/05/29/ross-jury.html

I just logged on to the internet and this was on my CBC homepage. I remember when this happened. I think murdering neighbours probably happens more often than we think!

Question: It was said a few posts back that someone would have to be crazy (or something to that effect) to park the car of a missing woman in their own complex, suggesting why the suspect doesn't live in HOTG.

Why is that nuts, but abducting the woman from the complex where one lives or works likely?

Has anyone heard of a missing woman found to have been abducted by an apartment neighbor or apartment complex employee? I can't think of any.

rd

 

[nanandjim]

Could it be possible that someone innocent looking (military guy or neighbor) approached Jennifer and told her that his car had run out of gas and asked if she could she give him a lift to the nearest gas station? Perhaps, even against her better judgment, she gave him a lift. This neighbor or person pulls a knife or gun and forces her to drive somewhere secluded. He rapes and murders her.

I wonder if this person was off on Tuesday or if he called in sick or if he went in late. I'm not so sure that he actually worked at the complex. He may have lived there or frequently visited enough that Jennifer had a passing knowledge of him.

 

[rd_jfc]

Ok, those are some good posts to think about. It is true about nearby children, I was referring to women, but examples were given and I get the point.

We know about the questions of height. What about the shoes? They look so big to me in proportion to the rest of the body that it looks like someone would stand out, so to speak, if ever seen about the Mosaic. If the person is big, and that white in front of the next gap in the gate is his gut proceeding him, then he is a big guy and the shoes wouldn't necessarily stand out.

But if 5'4", there can't be too many people like that with feet that big.

I had looked at the white in the next gap trying to see if it was a big gut, an arm swinging forward, or a pullover hanging over breasts and gut. But definitely a lot of white proceeding the suspect.

In addition to the other necessary tests with the surveillance camera described, it would be helpful I think to get the clothes and coloring that would match this picture. The dark police uniforms also looked light with this camera, so they aren't sure what color clothes were worn.

How hard is it to find out what colors of clothes, skin, and hair end up this way with this camera? I mean, that is just fundamentals, and they say, oh never mind, just concentrate on the style and haircut. Holy cow.

If clothes turn light, what else changes? Are the shoes and hair dark but shirts and pants only of the person turn light, such as the dark police uniforms? Why? It's not like a negative, but why doesn't the hair and shoes turn light along with clothes?

And why would it be ignored by investigators as if they couldn't have run some tests? Which they need to do anyway concerning the height.

I hope they read and respond to the posts suggesting just how they go about doing that.

rd

 

[leftcoast]

Well put RD

I do get your point about the complex.

LE should have made certain that the POI neither currently lived at HOTG nor Mosaic. It is possible the POI did at one time live at HOTG, moved, and that is why he is comfortable dumping the car there. That is why I would like to know when the camera's were installed.

Yes, it is amazing to me that LE would not do a re-enactment with the various heights, clothing, etc. I suggested that over one year ago, and I don't think it has yet to be done. Maybe only certain colors show up as dark, or a certain type of material. Still don't think it is too late to go back to HOTG and have a variety of people walk past that camera.

One possibility is that all fabrics show up light (because of dyeing), whereas rubber, metal, and leather show up dark since they don't absorb the sunlight

In my mind, the first thing that struck me was the POI was trying to switch the crime scene from Mosaic to HOTG.

However, this theory could be incorrect. Maybe, the POI was scared related to driving a missing woman's car past a guard house at Mosaic.

I never knew there was a guard house, I always thought incorrecly that it was a "card" system to get in.

And why all the fuss about the tracking dogs?

Another thing I don't understand about this case.

If LE does know for 100% certainty, that they have the DNA of the POI, why havn't we heard rumors of people giving DNA samples?

Same with the prints.

Very simple, take the top five suspects, collect DNA and print samples, and compare with evidence found in the car.

When I hear the evidence doesn't match computer systems, that really could simply be worthless. It could be DNA or a print from a friend of JK's from months earlier. That is why I want to know if the DNA or print is definitely from the POI.

How do we know the POI didn't purposedly leave false clues in the car to send LE on a wild goose chase? why not?

I'm getting very frustrated with the lack of progress. I realize that LE has a difficult case, but when we hear that LE has not done re-enactments, nor roadblocks, used ropes to measure height, released video evidence by mistake, did not seal JK's condo, etc. I sure would like to know if there are valid reasons, or are the above mistakes. IF so, what other mistakes have been made along the way?

I'm still not convinced that JK's condo wasn't the crime scene, and any chance of getting evidence, such as garbage, sheets, shower DNA, is now gone.

What about an experiment to see how long the shower takes to dry?
Did LOgan and his buddies get into any disagreements with others while out? Did security get called to the condo? Were any neighbors complaining about noise? Maybe this is a dispute with a neighbor, made to look like a sexual attack. Maybe this was a physical altercation, and JK was accidentally hurt, and the POI covered it up?

One would think after 16 months that one clue would surface.

Certainly the POI leaving the car parked where there are camera's watching was not his or her only mistake.

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[petra]

Yes indeed, such little progress in nailing down any new clues or info is very frustrating. I still do not understand why family members, Rob, brother, brother's friends, coworkers,etc. have not and are not talking about JKs routines, habits-as other posters have brought up.

And nothing about the suitcase from the trip. If it was found in the condo.

The video seems virtually worthless, IMO- I personally can't see much of value.

The only thing that sticks out to me are the shoes. I have a pair of cycle shoes that look just like them!!!! clown shoes when not on my bike.
And the helmets today are so streamlined---they could possibly give that appearance to the head-hair style.

I liked that idea bantered about of the POI returning to a bicycle. Does anyone know if it is common for cyclists to be in the area?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Am I the only one familiar with Chefs here? I dated one for six years and I can almost (99.9&#37 guarantee this fella is either a Chef or works closely with one in some capacity in the kitchen area. (Servers and bartenders don't dress this way.)

It doesn't matter what color his clothes are...not many people wear these clothes in public. The pants are reminiscent of M.C. Hammer (VERY unfashionable for men!), but to a chef they are a matter of safety. The hats are a personal preference, but they either wear the full fluffed top, the beanies (which looks like a knit ski cap like he is wearing here), the skull caps, or the bullet caps. The generic white tee-shirt is standard wear also because they go under the jacket and are white because it keeps them cooler. The shoes are thin and very flexible with a non-skid sole. They do look a bit odd because they aren't bulky like a tennis shoe and are worn with pants tighter around the ankles. You can see the top of this guy's pants and right below, you will see a white triangle (we can't see the entire thing in front). It is either a bar rag or a bistro apron used in food/bar service. (Also handy for wiping down things after you abduct someone and take their car.)

I wouldn't be so certain if he were only wearing one item, but when every piece of clothing he is wearing can and do come straight out of the Chef's wear catalog...I say if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it probably is a duck! The chances this guy put this outfit together as a 'fashion statement' are quite low to nonexistant.

Do me a favor and go to the nearest fine dining establishment. Ask to see the chef or one of the line cooks. You will see this outfit or near to it walk directly towards you. Simply ask him to turn sideways! Visit a culinary school in your area. You will probably find half with this outfit, if not more. (Some Chefs wear the old black and white checked pants still, but a lot have changed to this style.)

This is my theory and I am stickin' to it. LOL

 

[Beyond Belief]

chef's hat and other uniforms

http://www.culinaryclassics.com/chef-hat.htm

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, BB~! See anything that looks familiar to you?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Here you go...piece by piece.
http://www.allheartchefs.com/cvbeanie.html <looks a lot like this one!

http://www.happychefuniforms.com/800...4&Ref=Category< Popular pants for Chefs

http://www.happychefuniforms.com/800...ef=SubCategory <there are other types of shoes which look like these, too. They bend like the one in the photo tho!

 

[petra]

Wow--thanks for all the chef clothing links. I see what you mean about the pants and shoes and possibly even one of those skull caps.

Not what chefs or anyone in the kitchens here in Europe would wear!!!!

LOL, they would be thrown out along with their rolled up knives (which are the same here)

..............now, another way to think.

These pants look comfy....and a great price too!!!! JMO