FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #5

[UK Sleuth]

One day maybe satellite views of earth (like Google earth) will be so good and high resolution that you would actually be able to zoom in on that morning when Jen disappeared and actually see what happened!!

Although the technology may exist one day the problem is can they have a constant recording of every place in the country since we never know when or where a crime will take place?

Maybe they could just save their data for a few hours and if LE informs them within that time frame they would have the saved satellite view. Although it's pretty unrealistic they could save such precise satellite views for the entire country even for a few minutes.

Unless they could save just a larger view for certain regions of the country and then do an incredible zoom job if they needed to!! But you can't maintain the resolution if you're zooming in 100X or 1000X!

Do you guys remember they mentioned something about a satellite view for the O.J. murders since that happened outside and if they were to somehow be able to really zoom in on that Rockingham estate then we could see O.J. hacking up Ron and Nicole!!

Good idea I like it.

Alternatively you could ensure that the whole world barring private areas e.g your home and public rest rooms is covered by CCTV, in other words all public places.

The UK is pretty well covered now certainly in towns and cities.

I know leftcoast disagrees with this and most people probably will its not nice to constantly feel like your being watched and it won't happen as civil liberty groups would go berserk but personally I would be happy to partake in a society where wherever you go in public it is possible to review your actions.

That way any crime committed in public would be on tape but proper quality tape not the useless footage in this case.

Nanny State or world? Perhaps it is but personally if it stops crimes like these or catches the perpertrator then its a sacrifice I don't mind making.

A sad endictment on society it is though.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

that's an interesting idea.

i also think every time an infant is born, their DNA should be taken, think if this was done many decades ago, there would be just about no unsolved crimes.

 

[UK Sleuth]

that's an interesting idea.

i also think every time an infant is born, their DNA should be taken, think if this was done many decades ago, there would be just about no unsolved crimes.

Totally agree with that, unfortunately the world is now too crazy a place not to control, in utopia none of this would be required.

 

[Bobbisangel]

that's an interesting idea.

i also think every time an infant is born, their DNA should be taken, think if this was done many decades ago, there would be just about no unsolved crimes.

That is a great idea and would be so simple to do. I also think that everytime a person gets a driver's license they should have their finger print put on it. They do that in some states.

These ideas are so simple that they are way to simple for the big wigs who make these decisions to grasp :banghead:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That is a great idea and would be so simple to do. I also think that everytime a person gets a driver's license they should have their finger print put on it. They do that in some states.

These ideas are so simple that they are way to simple for the big wigs who make these decisions to grasp :banghead:

They do this in our state now. Prints of both index fingers are taken then kept in the state's data bank and on the license itself with your photo, but you can only read the prints with a special device. However, at this time, it is supposedly illegal for LE to use these prints for any other reason than identification for a new license to cut down on identity theft.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Just a "what if"...The video IS so very lousy...what IF this "suspect" wasn't actually getting out of Jennifer's car?! You can't truly make out the car to identify it and someone else could have parked in a spot next to her car and closer to the cam. Is it possible? That would put a whole new spin on the case. Just thinking out loud.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Just a "what if"...The video IS so very lousy...what IF this "suspect" wasn't actually getting out of Jennifer's car?! You can't truly make out the car to identify it and someone else could have parked in a spot next to her car and closer to the cam. Is it possible? That would put a whole new spin on the case. Just thinking out loud.

That would be a serious up if it had occurred although I suspect that LE would have ruled out other people parking at that time and presuming the poi is innocent he would probably have come forward to clear his name

Its still a possibility that LE may have other footage of the poi and JK in the car elsewhere or at least footage of the car.

Initially when they only released the photo of poi walking past the fence the OPD stated they werent giving anymore info/pictures out due to 'strategy'

Clearly the strategy was to tempt the poi to come forward or someone report them, they say 'oh I was only walking by' and then bang you nail them with the latest video saying 'Oh yeah well your lying heres you parking JKs car'

Let's say for arguments sake they have another pic/footage of the car with poi and Jennifer in this could be used as strategy to.

If the poi came forward today he could say I found the car abandoned and her purse was in it so I was going to go and rob her apartment but I have no idea what happened to her!

This could be disproved if you have a shot of poi and Jennifer in the car.

If they do have other pictures/evidence/anything then they should now release it as sadly I feel this case is colder then the arctic at the moment.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have looked at that video so many times I have lost count, but I have yet to make out anything that distinguishes that car from any other. Do I think that LE could be mistaken about so many things on this case that I believe they could make such a huge miscalculation?! Of course, I do. Look at the rest of the mistakes they have already made (IMO).

Jennifer's car was parked a couple of spots in from the pool...and that leaves the possibility there could always be another car next to her car at the time. The video is trash when it comes to any real identifying marks of the car or the POI/suspect until he is a quarter of the way around the pool and the other camera picks him up at the gate.

If they had ANY photo of her car after she went missing, they would have produced it by now. They don't. They surely know by now what a mistake it was to hold onto this video for so long (since it wasn't really anything to see anyway) and for them now to purposely withold a clearer pic of her car and possibly of the perp inside with Jenn would be a contradiction of the purpose of this case...which is to find her.

 

[UK Sleuth]

I have looked at that video so many times I have lost count, but I have yet to make out anything that distinguishes that car from any other. Do I think that LE could be mistaken about so many things on this case that I believe they could make such a huge miscalculation?! Of course, I do. Look at the rest of the mistakes they have already made (IMO).

Jennifer's car was parked a couple of spots in from the pool...and that leaves the possibility there could always be another car next to her car at the time. The video is trash when it comes to any real identifying marks of the car or the POI/suspect until he is a quarter of the way around the pool and the other camera picks him up at the gate.

If they had ANY photo of her car after she went missing, they would have produced it by now. They don't. They surely know by now what a mistake it was to hold onto this video for so long (since it wasn't really anything to see anyway) and for them now to purposely withold a clearer pic of her car and possibly of the perp inside with Jenn would be a contradiction of the purpose of this case...which is to find her.

Do you know for a fact they don't have another picture?
If you do you must work for OPD.

I don't know for a fact that they do or don't I am merely suggesting that its a possibility however I agree if they did they should have released it by now.

If they have made a massive error and that isnt JKs car then I have the following questions:

Why didnt the poi come forward?
Wht has nobody identified the poi as someone who lives/parks at HOTG?
Why is there no footage of the poi coming back to collect the other non JK car?(Presumably LE have scoured the tapes so if the poi is not parking Jennifers car and it was their car then he/she would have come back to get it?)

I think its good to think outside the box on these things but i find it highly highly unlikely that this has happened.

Again I don't know for fact that it didnt happen but then we don't know for fact an awful lot!

 

[curves]

Enrique and Bobbi's angel, I totally agree with fingerprints and DNA being taken at birth / any point really. What a deterrant to committing crimes!

UK - I'm with you on the CCTV, it doesn't bother me at all to know I am being watched / recorded whenever I am out in public. I would prefer it to be that way as a safety measure and so that if, touch wood, anything did ever happen to me they would have a good change of catching the doer.

LE should have released the entire video along with stills when Jennifer first went missing. Interest was high, the public was aware, they would have reached far more people at that point. By only saying the person was someone of interest instead of the person who was actually driving Jennifer's car and most likely took her, they made a massive screw up IMO. I am willing to bet that now, it's mostly only people like us who are interested in true crime who have actually taken a good look at the video or the photos.

It's so frustrating, I just want them to find her!

 

[UK Sleuth]

Curves

It is an incredibly frustrating case, god knows how her family feel.

Other posters have commented as to why this case receives so much attention compared to others on this board and I firmly believe it is because all that needs to be known to solve this case is there in front of LEs noses.

That is why it is intriguing.

Do you agree?

LE are not mind readers however I find it hard to believe that mistakes haven't been made or the they haven't come across the perp in some capacity.

Maybe both!

If it were me and I had the power I would start the investigation again from scratch, if I were a betting man I would bet that you find errors and who knows what small error could lead down the wrong road?

I see your from the UK do you know of or remember wearside Jack? the person who was from wearside and sent the tapes claiming to be the Yorkshire ripper?

Im not old enough to remember but I have read up on the case and watched documentaries.
The Yorkshire police believed the hoaxer was genuine and discounted everyone who didnt have a wearside accent, Sutcliffe was allowed to continue his killing spree due to having a Yorkshire accent.

A lot of people are questioning the height of the poi, i tend to agree I think that needs checking again.

What if LE have discounted every male over 5ft 5in?

I don't like to criticise LE but it is proven fact that some investigations are bungled.

I feel this one if not bungled hasnt been the best run everyone on here tends to agree that they released the second video far to late.

 

[rd_jfc]

I'm only going by news reports because I can't make out anything on the video in the little window it shows in on my PC but didn't the video include seeing the car pulled into the parking lot and parked carefully in a parking spot by backing in a couple of times?

By the way, I don't recall exactly if it was backed in, I seem to recall that, but that would be the way they would do it to make it harder to notice the license plate as long as possible.

By seeing the car pulling in, LE would also be able to see another car that had pulled in the same area prior to that on the video.

rd

 

[curves]

Curves

It is an incredibly frustrating case, god knows how her family feel.

Other posters have commented as to why this case receives so much attention compared to others on this board and I firmly believe it is because all that needs to be known to solve this case is there in front of LEs noses.

That is why it is intriguing.

Do you agree?

LE are not mind readers however I find it hard to believe that mistakes haven't been made or the they haven't come across the perp in some capacity.

Maybe both!

If it were me and I had the power I would start the investigation again from scratch, if I were a betting man I would bet that you find errors and who knows what small error could lead down the wrong road?

I see your from the UK do you know of or remember wearside Jack? the person who was from wearside and sent the tapes claiming to be the Yorkshire ripper?

Im not old enough to remember but I have read up on the case and watched documentaries.
The Yorkshire police believed the hoaxer was genuine and discounted everyone who didnt have a wearside accent, Sutcliffe was allowed to continue his killing spree due to having a Yorkshire accent.

A lot of people are questioning the height of the poi, i tend to agree I think that needs checking again.

What if LE have discounted every male over 5ft 5in?

I don't like to criticise LE but it is proven fact that some investigations are bungled.

I feel this one if not bungled hasnt been the best run everyone on here tends to agree that they released the second video far to late.

Hi UK,

I can definetly see why that aspect of the case is what interests some in Jennifer's abduction. It certainly gives people a lot to talk about which is needed to keep any case in the public eye. For myself, I don't know why I get attached to some cases and not others but if I had to pin it down I would say it was based on the person who went missing. The cases I become very vested in, are cases where I begin to really care about the people and / or their families. Jennifer is only slighty younger than me, has a boyfriend, job, friends she loved - I can relate to all of that. Her family are working so hard to bring her home - mostly anyway, I still think they need to hire a PI - it all just pulls me in.

I am actually from New Zealand although I live permanently in the UK now, and have read about the Yorkshire Ripper and know about the person who claimed to be him and led the police on a wild goose chase - although not in great detail. I can totally see the relevance here with the Poi's height. Do you think that LE know they may have bungled this case but don't want to admit it for fear of letting Jennifer's family down / the public outcry?

Is there anyone who lives near Orlando / the HotG who would be willing to go and conduct proper tests, which could be sent to news stations along with some of our other thoughts if they prove LE's estimates conclusively wrong?

Has anyone looked at other abductions in the general area in a 12 month period to see if they could be related?

 

[UM&AMWfan]

that's an interesting idea.

i also think every time an infant is born, their DNA should be taken, think if this was done many decades ago, there would be just about no unsolved crimes.

But there are plenty of crimes that don't leave any DNA.

 

[Enrique Sparta]

true

but there are still plenty that DO leave DNA. all it takes is one hair off the body.

the chances of getting away with any crime would go waaaaayyyyyy down by so much if every infant born had their DNA taken.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi UK,

I can totally see the relevance here with the Poi's height. Do you think that LE know they may have bungled this case but don't want to admit it for fear of letting Jennifer's family down / the public outcry?

Is there anyone who lives near Orlando / the HotG who would be willing to go and conduct proper tests, which could be sent to news stations along with some of our other thoughts if they prove LE's estimates conclusively wrong?

Has anyone looked at other abductions in the general area in a 12 month period to see if they could be related?

I don't think they will admit it not only due to Jenn's family, but with the FBI involved...their credibility is quite on the line. The public outcry should have already started in this case!

I suggested to UFC that the Engineering Dept. from her Alma Mater go and research the POI/suspect's height. I think HOTG would respond to their request. I also believe that the Kesse family would appreciate and respect their input as an external source to review this. I can't imagine anyone else I would rather take on the task to prove this one way or the other than Engineers! They measure EVERYTHING with great accuracy! IMO (Never hang wallpaper with an Engineer...hard lesson learned for me. LOL)

I have checked every near abduction, abduction, or carjacking within that part of Florida that I could find online or on the police blotters, etc. Came up with some interesting things, but they are seemingly unrelated in any way.

 

[Utopia]

For what its worth SS, I thought the suggestion to have her alma mater engineering dept. calculate the measurements was a really good idea. But I imagine they would probably have to jump through several hoops and trample on some toes to get permission to do so.

Still, good thought. I have a nephew who is halfway through an engineering degree specializing in computer science. I won't see him for about a month but I'll be sure to ask him about this the next time I'm talking to him. (interesting about the wallpaper experience, doesn't sound like fun - I'll be sure to warn any poor girl that my nephew plans on marrying in the future!)

Utopia

I don't think they will admit it not only due to Jenn's family, but with the FBI involved...their credibility is quite on the line. The public outcry should have already started in this case!

I suggested to UFC that the Engineering Dept. from her Alma Mater go and research the POI/suspect's height. I think HOTG would respond to their request. I also believe that the Kesse family would appreciate and respect their input as an external source to review this. I can't imagine anyone else I would rather take on the task to prove this one way or the other than Engineers! They measure EVERYTHING with great accuracy! IMO (Never hang wallpaper with an Engineer...hard lesson learned for me. LOL)

I have checked every near abduction, abduction, or carjacking within that part of Florida that I could find online or on the police blotters, etc. Came up with some interesting things, but they are seemingly unrelated in any way.

 

[UK Sleuth]

Curves

I believe CatLynette and her husband who is a photographer have been to HOTG and done their own measurements or at least looked at it and are of the opinioin the height estimate is wrong.

My feeling now is this case is cold its been a few weeks since the second video release and to our knowledge no arrests, the video in my opinion offers you nothing more than confirmation that the poi parked the car, it doesnt offer anything in terms of identifying the poi that the pictures don't already have.

Like I said I would start at the beginning again, review the case file and recheck everything.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I couldn't agree more, UK! I have said that a few times myself. They need to start over and figure out where they went wrong. I think Left and I agree...they should not have excluded her apartment initially and treated it like a crime scene. Without properly having processed the apartment, they could have missed the very clue needed to find Jennifer. OPD took the word of the family instead of following up a possible crime scene which I find unacceptable.

We noticed possibly a laptop on her desk...was it her's and did they process it? Did she really sleep in the bed all night? Could this perp have had a key and simply let himself in? People have mentioned the shower still being wet...but did LE check the shower for the perp's DNA or the drains for blood or hair? Nothing is to say the perp didn't go back to shower there after an attack. (Dog trailing back to her door?)

Too many things could have occurred in that apartment and LE simply handed the place over to her family. For them only to consider things to be "normal" inside the place is ridiculous without ruling it out forensically.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

For what its worth SS, I thought the suggestion to have her alma mater engineering dept. calculate the measurements was a really good idea. But I imagine they would probably have to jump through several hoops and trample on some toes to get permission to do so.

Still, good thought. I have a nephew who is halfway through an engineering degree specializing in computer science. I won't see him for about a month but I'll be sure to ask him about this the next time I'm talking to him. (interesting about the wallpaper experience, doesn't sound like fun - I'll be sure to warn any poor girl that my nephew plans on marrying in the future!)

Utopia

I don't think HOTG would give them a hard time about doing this, imo. You don't know until you ask! (LE and FBI won't like it, but they have no right to say anything to a private inquiry such as this.) They would only need access to the area surrounding the pool and the cameras, film, monitor, and the roof. It wouldn't be a huge intrusion for HOTG to handle and before when the press were there...they didn't seem to mind.

If Drew Kesse would ask the Head of the Engineering Department himself, I feel he would get a positive response. Again, it doesn't hurt to ask!

Tell your nephew when he marries and his wife asks him to help hang wallpaper, hang pictures, or to do any type of activity which includes measurements and/or leveling to just say "no"! Most marriages can't survive it! LOL :bang: