FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #5

[curves]

I think asking Jennifer's alma mater is a great idea but I think it would be better if one of us did it - we all have respect for LE but know they can make mistakes. I don't think people who haven't invested as much time as us in true crime would have such an understanding.

I thought I had read about Cat Lynette and her husband doing something like this. For it to really work it needs to be properly documented and the whole thing videoed. Cat, would you be willing to do this? I know it's a big ask - I would be willing to paypal you some money to cover some of the costs. Or anyone else?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, Cat and her hubby did go out and check things which was fabulous. It did give us a more clear picture of the site and the possibility of the height being wrong. However, for LE to take anything seriously about changing their projected height determination, it would have to be done by professionals or scholastics. They would have to listen to their input on the matter. LE doesn't care what we think! (Sorry, but I believe this to be true.)

 

[GoodAim]

An article linked in this thread reiterated Jennifer's success at work. This thought is way outside the box and far from the most probable case. But... you have a beautiful woman. She's vivacious. She has beautiful hair and lively eyes. She's alive with energy and life. She has a boyfriend. She's had 2 promotions in 2 years. She was able to buy a condo. She's so happy with life it's difficult to find a photo where she isn't smiling or laughing. She really seems to own the world. There had to be a loser nearby, seething with anger, envy and resentment, even though Jennifer was such a good person. (It's possible she encountered a wider range of people in her job than many of us do in a typical "office job".) One of them could've been a really sick person. All you have to do is be happy for one of them to want to hurt you!

Still think the perp is most likely someone working around her condo building or someone who's been watching her from outdoors -- like where was that "hit" of scent in a wooded area?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Nothing is out of the question in this case.

Just like I would like to see LE head to Kansas to interview Edwin Hall as to his whereabouts when Jennifer went missing. EH's MO would certainly fit the pattern in this crime, if and when they can prove he killed Kelsey Smith.

 

[rd_jfc]

There are some missing women cases that have more attention right now than Jennifer's, and they are not as hot as you say as Jennifer.

I would also add that the few photos of Jennifer are modest and there is nothing compellingly differentiated between hers and many other photos.

Lastly, if what you contend were true, there would be more interest in the case you cited, but you say there isn't, so that sort of invalidates your claim right off the bat.

rd

 

[nanandjim]

There are some missing women cases that have more attention right now than Jennifer's, and they are not as hot as you say as Jennifer.

I would also add that the few photos of Jennifer are modest and there is nothing compellingly differentiated between hers and many other photos.

Lastly, if what you contend were true, there would be more interest in the case you cited, but you say there isn't, so that sort of invalidates your claim right off the bat.

rd

And, furthermore, what's the point of that post?

ETA: I didn't mean your post, but the post by "Fan."

 

[nanandjim]

Shouldn't a thread be opened in the Jury Room to discuss the White Syndrome or whatever it is called. This is Jennifer's thread!

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I agree that this is not about what consitutes coverage but rather is about Jenn. There were many months where there was no media coverage on Jenn. Let's focus on finding Jenn.... that is what we are here for.

Thank you

 

[rd_jfc]

The photos are very specific that it's a male. Not subjective, specific.

rd

 

[Enrique Sparta]

The photos are very specific that it's a male. Not subjective, specific.

rd

They are? Why hasn't law enforcement and/or the Kesse family come out and say so? I just looked again on the website and all of the posters say "person" and if you click on the Person of Interest link....it clearly states they aren't sure if the suspect is a man or a woman.

Look I agree that it's a 99% chance the suspect is a male, based on stats. But I haven't read or heard anywhere that's a 100% guaranteed fact. The only thing the cops and the Kesse family have said is for sure is that the suspect is between 5'3"-5'5" in height. Based on some of the discussion here, I'm not even sure I believe that any more. I'm still on the fence regarding height. Some of our fellow board members have made some VERY good points about the height.

It just goes to show how crappy the video/pictures are.

 

[rd_jfc]

well, I wasn't asking the cops because they were totally clueless. But they did say that since the video was released that they have received tips that were more specific than before, and that leads me to believe they have a clue now.

rd

 

[nanandjim]

They are? Why hasn't law enforcement and/or the Kesse family come out and say so? I just looked again on the website and all of the posters say "person" and if you click on the Person of Interest link....it clearly states they aren't sure if the suspect is a man or a woman.

Look I agree that it's a 99% chance the suspect is a male, based on stats. But I haven't read or heard anywhere that's a 100% guaranteed fact. The only thing the cops and the Kesse family have said is for sure is that the suspect is between 5'3"-5'5" in height. Based on some of the discussion here, I'm not even sure I believe that any more. I'm still on the fence regarding height. Some of our fellow board members have made some VERY good points about the height.

It just goes to show how crappy the video/pictures are.

Speaking of height and guestimations concerning height. They have very good video from Target inside and outside the store of the suspect that they think abducted and murdered Kelsey Smith. They were saying that the suspect was about 6' tall. He turned out to be 5'8". So, they were off by four inches. I think that we should add four inches to the guestimation here. It would make more sense. Surprisingly, the suspect in Smith's case then fits into Jennifer Kesse POI's height estimate.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Jennifer's parents are actively keeping the search for their daughter in front of the media. Her parents are out in full force on street corners and banging on doors. It has been up to the family and friends to keep things going in the public eye. The reason we are here searching for Jenn is because her family has made a great effort to ask for help, get the public to respond, and to make sure Jennifer's disappearance didn't just fade into the cold case section. I applaud their efforts.

Now, let us get back to Jennifer and stay there. This is her thread and out of respect for her...I am not going to respond to offtopic subjects.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I realize the problem with the reward as they have it set up. It is too bad the "private donor" isn't more interested in gaining tips unless they bring her back safely. Makes me think he knows he won't be paying out that million dollar reward and so he feels he isn't losing anything by offering it. I would look closely at that. Isn't that really a very shallow effort on his part?! He won't lose a dime, but it just looks good to the media. Sheesh!

 

[Enrique Sparta]

Yes, I realize the problem with the reward as they have it set up. It is too bad the "private donor" isn't more interested in gaining tips unless they bring her back safely. Makes me think he knows he won't be paying out that million dollar reward and so he feels he isn't losing anything by offering it. I would look closely at that. Isn't that really a very shallow effort on his part?! He won't lose a dime, but it just looks good to the media. Sheesh!

I was thinking that too. I'd be more impressed if it was $100,000 for ANY information leading to JK or the suspect.

Everybody knows the chances of Jennifer being found alive are less than 1%

 

[rd_jfc]

What are the probabilities with what appears to be her at least getting out the door to go to work and her car being parked at noon a mile away?

Being taken out of the city to some woods of some type is not probable in that amount of time, is it? The distance one would have to drive in the Orlando metro area and the higher density of population even in outlying areas seems to me not to be comparable to Kelsey Smith's death.

But what's the alternative? An even more crowded urban area and being dumped in a dumpster or something and no one found her?

Just because there's no good indication of what could have happned to her, I'd say the odds she is alive are greater than 1%.

rd

 

[Enrique Sparta]

What are the probabilities with what appears to be her at least getting out the door to go to work and her car being parked at noon a mile away?

Being taken out of the city to some woods of some type is not probable in that amount of time, is it? The distance one would have to drive in the Orlando metro area and the higher density of population even in outlying areas seems to me not to be comparable to Kelsey Smith's death.

But what's the alternative? An even more crowded urban area and being dumped in a dumpster or something and no one found her?

Just because there's no good indication of what could have happned to her, I'd say the odds she is alive are greater than 1%.

rd

Suppose she was abducted as she was walking to her car or at her car which is what her family and the cops think. That leaves about 4 hours until the car was dropped off. That is plenty of time to drive to a less populated area. I live in L.A. and I could easily get to a remote area in 1 hour, give me 2 hours and I'd be way out in the desert or in the mountains where nobody lives. Orlando is a much smaller city than LA though, you could probably get out to the boonies in a half an hour and not use up much fuel. Plus, there is a large area of forest/woods right behind the Mosaic condos, where she lived. It's also possible she was dropped off somewhere and then the car dumped, it's no certainty whoever took her was done with her by the time they dropped off the car at the HOTG. There are also a lot of lakes in that area. I dunno why they haven't searched any of them. Or maybe she was fed to gators? And her being thrown in a dumpster could easily be the case. Of course the murderer wouldn't just throw her in there without concealing her. It's highly unlikely anybody would've found her had somebody wrapped the body in blankets or something and placed her beneath some of the garbage bags.

How many abducted people are ever found alive when there's no ransom demand? Hardly any. I say it's a .001% chance poor Jennifer Kesse is alive. I hope for a miracle though.

 

[CatLynnette]

My husband and I reside in Orlando. There are so many small lakes and woods located nearby to the area of the Mosaic Condominiums and the Huntington On The Green Condominiums. There are several dirt roads located nearby too, which could possibly account for the dirt found on Jennifer's car next to the tires. There is still a lot of undeveloped land in the area of Orlando/Central Florida. Small lakes and woods are within walking distance of the Mosaic Condominiums or the Huntington On The Green Condominiums. A dirt road is located less than a mile away from the Huntington On The Green Condominiums.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My husband and I reside in Orlando. There are so many small lakes and woods located nearby to the area of the Mosaic Condominiums and the Huntington On The Green Condominiums. There are several dirt roads located nearby too, which could possibly account for the dirt found on Jennifer's car next to the tires. There is still a lot of undeveloped land in the area of Orlando/Central Florida. Small lakes and woods are within walking distance of the Mosaic Condominiums or the Huntington On The Green Condominiums. A dirt road is located less than a mile away from the Huntington On The Green Condominiums.

We probably need to map those places out. I will see what I can do! (I wish we had "Pings" to go on in Jenn's case.)

 

[Enrique Sparta]

just curious, is there anybody here who thinks this was NOT a rape/murder case?

I believe she was either thrown in a dumpster or she is buried somewhere nearby. I know if it were my sister, I'd have dug up the woods behind her condo already and searched the nearby lakes. I hope she wasn't thrown in a dumpster. Then they will never find her. What day do the garbage men come around in Orlando, probably different days for different areas.

I suppose she could be buried in somebody's backyard.

Another question for the board, do you think the suspect was "finished" with JK by the time they dumped her car? Hard to say of course.

this case is ice cold.

I still think they should take a good look at her boyfriend's friends as well as her brother's friends. Not only the ones that were at her apartment the weekend before she went missing but all of his friends.

I was thinking today, why do you think the Orlando PD was leaning towards a transient type kidnapping her? This doesn't seem like that type of situation unless the construction workers over there are transient types. Out here in Southern California the maintenance men and construction, painters, etc they are not transients, they live here for the most part. Why transient? I don't think this was just some random crime. It was either somebody associated with Mosaic (they lived there, a guest of somebody who lived there, somebody who worked on the condos) or an acquaintance/friend of JK. Could be somebody from her college days or work. Gotta lean towards the Mosaic connection obviously.