GUILTY FL - Lonzie Barton, 2, Jacksonville, 24 July 2015 - #4

[LostOldUserName]

That is an older news article and some of the info in it is incorrect concerning LL, this part:


In early July of this year, Lonzie's mother filed a third domestic violence injunction against Ebron.

I still get confused on what E did, when and to who

 

[Kairi'sMom]

The scenario that makes the most sense to me. Why was WRE's car left running earlier in the day 4 blocks from the apt.? Lonzie was deceased in the car & WRE wanted it stolen. Otherwise, why would he leave it running? He probably had an alibi ( he was with Lonna) while the car was waiting to be stolen. Plan A didn't work so on to plan B. To establish an alibi he had to be seen when the car was stolen. Plan B, go up to apt., leave sister with roommate, move the car & run back to apt. so roommate could say he was only gone a few minutes.

read the article carefully at http://www.news4jax.com/news/police-child-taken-during-car-theft/34330746

"John Fleming, who lives about a mile away from the complex, said he saw the car in front of his home yesterday afternoon before it started raining, but he said the car was gone by the time his son came home at 10:30 p.m. Thursday. He said he'd never seen the car in the area before.

"It started getting dark, and that car was out in front of my house, and we didn't think anything about it," Fleming said. "We thought it might have been one of the neighbors."

The Honda Civic was found by police abandoned in that same area on Cesperdes Avenue Friday morning, about 50 feet from where Fleming said he saw it the day before.

"The police showed up this morning, saying they needed to look at my home video to see if my video picked anything up," Fleming said. "We looked at all the video that was on my camera and stuff and they didn't see anything from there."

He added that initially, he didn't think anything was abnormal about the car.

"I didn’t think anything about it until they said it was still running. Once you get up closer, you can hear it. It’s a pretty quiet vehicle," Fleming said."



He saw the car, but didn't know if it was running or not when he saw it. The police said it was running when they found it after the "abduction". He must have been close to the car, talking to the police before they towed it. They would have left it as it was found until processed by investigators. Then turned off and towed.

A lot of people are getting confused on this point. It may or may not have been running when the witness saw it earlier, but the neighbor didn't know it could have been until the police pointed out how quiet it was.

 

[Paulas88]

read the article carefully at http://www.news4jax.com/news/police-child-taken-during-car-theft/34330746

"John Fleming, who lives about a mile away from the complex, said he saw the car in front of his home yesterday afternoon before it started raining, but he said the car was gone by the time his son came home at 10:30 p.m. Thursday. He said he'd never seen the car in the area before.

"It started getting dark, and that car was out in front of my house, and we didn't think anything about it," Fleming said. "We thought it might have been one of the neighbors."

The Honda Civic was found by police abandoned in that same area on Cesperdes Avenue Friday morning, about 50 feet from where Fleming said he saw it the day before.

"The police showed up this morning, saying they needed to look at my home video to see if my video picked anything up," Fleming said. "We looked at all the video that was on my camera and stuff and they didn't see anything from there."

He added that initially, he didn't think anything was abnormal about the car.

"I didn’t think anything about it until they said it was still running. Once you get up closer, you can hear it. It’s a pretty quiet vehicle," Fleming said."



He saw the car, but didn't know if it was running or not when he saw it. The police said it was running when they found it after the "abduction". He must have been close to the car, talking to the police before they towed it. They would have left it as it was found until processed by investigators. Then turned off and towed.

A lot of people are getting confused on this point. It may or may not have been running when the witness saw it earlier, but the neighbor didn't know it could have been until the police pointed out how quiet it was.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[lonetraveler]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story...rking-possible-child-abduction-case/30607457/

This case has similarities of the Casey Anthony case. When confronted with her lies she just makes up more lies to cover up what happened to Caylee.

 

[cvaldez1975]

i agree with this, but i dont think he was afraid of LL at all, i think he just didnt want to go to jail.

Hi guys. I used to hang out here during the Casey Anthony days and have lurked on and off but haven't posted since the poor girl in Colorado a couple years back. I forgot my exact user name and password but it was close to my current one.
Anyway. I wanted to join the conversation. I lived in Jax for many years so this case hits a spot for me.
In my opinion I dont think that RE premeditated this at all. I think that his plan has been reactive not Proactive.
I think whatever happened to Lonzie occurred after his mom went to work and most likely sometime between midnight and 2 am. My gut says that the car jacking was his last minute "brilliant plan" because he truly thought it was believable.
I honestly believe that Lonzie was left somewhere not too far from where the car was left. I bet he thought Lonzie would be found but the "so-called thieves " would be the prime suspect.
And if the off chance the car was stolen then it would've had the bonus of contaminating evidence.
I do believe that RE acted out of haste and that he was fearful of the consequences, especially from LL.
All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

 

[cvaldez1975]

yes i saw that rumor and CB's fb replied to it identifying self as LL and some stuff about it doesnt matter who the real father is only who raised him so it sort of sounds like it could be true, but it is SM and a rumor and not verified.

The thought behind the Baker county rumor is derived from yet another rumor - some random guy claiming to be Lonzie's real birth father. I don't know why that would be kept a secret if it was true. We'll just have to wait for LE or MSM to bring it up. In the meantime, I would take it with a grain of salt, and keep your eyes peeled for a go-fund-me scam. Predators everywhere. Ugh

 

[Paulas88]

Hi guys. I used to hang out here during the Casey Anthony days and have lurked on and off but haven't posted since the poor girl in Colorado a couple years back. I forgot my exact user name and password but it was close to my current one.
Anyway. I wanted to join the conversation. I lived in Jax for many years so this case hits a spot for me.
In my opinion I dont think that RE premeditated this at all. I think that his plan has been reactive not Proactive.
I think whatever happened to Lonzie occurred after his mom went to work and most likely sometime between midnight and 2 am. My gut says that the car jacking was his last minute "brilliant plan" because he truly thought it was believable.
I honestly believe that Lonzie was left somewhere not too far from where the car was left. I bet he thought Lonzie would be found but the "so-called thieves " would be the prime suspect.
And if the off chance the car was stolen then it would've had the bonus of contaminating evidence.
I do believe that RE acted out of haste and that he was fearful of the consequences, especially from LL.
All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

Yes... I'm leaning towards the same opinion. Maybe the reason EB left his car earlier in the same area, was totally unrelated? Such as, his car was going to be repossessed, or, he didn't want someone to know he was home. Hmmm

 

[Karinna]

I still get confused on what E did, when and to who

By "E" do you mean Ruben Ebron? From what i have read about Ebron he did plenty of bad stuff before getting together with LL per his ex's. and his drug offenses.

 

[atthelake]

The scenario that makes the most sense to me. Why was WRE's car left running earlier in the day 4 blocks from the apt.? Lonzie was deceased in the car & WRE wanted it stolen. Otherwise, why would he leave it running? He probably had an alibi ( he was with Lonna) while the car was waiting to be stolen. Plan A didn't work so on to plan B. To establish an alibi he had to be seen when the car was stolen. Plan B, go up to apt., leave sister with roommate, move the car & run back to apt. so roommate could say he was only gone a few minutes.

How does this play out ? the last person to see Lonzie was at 1:00 to 2:00 p.m....yet you are stating he went back that night and did this?.

In your scenario the little sister and the roommate were there late at night and would have seen Lonzie .. Of course ???and the little sister.. but that is not what has been said by law enforcement

Sorry not following you ..please help .

ETA ..are you thinking that the roommate was in his bedroom?? Therefore was home.. and E peeked his head and says " we are leaving".. but he never saw the children???

 

[Karinna]

yes i saw that rumor and CB's fb replied to it identifying self as LL and some stuff about it doesnt matter who the real father is only who raised him so it sort of sounds like it could be true, but it is SM and a rumor and not verified.

If CB has been messaging on there as i believe that is true, because he asked that the "Find Lonzie" page be removed when things were getting a bit heated over there a while back, and whoever owns the page changed its name to "Missing Children in Florida", so as to not make it specifically about Lonzie only, then the recent couple of messages under his name, one of them by LL, then he would of read those other messages by RB about being the real dad. No one CB or LL disputed that there, so its anyone's guess really.
IMO not everyone that posts on SM is making up rumours, a lot of stuff on various people's pages is factual i would think, but i know on here it is considered as rumour in certain instances. Apparently RB has informed LE of certain things, so it may or may not come out eventually if true.

 

[seattlechiquita]

you know what makes me happy friends? STUPID criminals make me happy. This dude is definitely NOT the smartest cookie in the jar. And the Sheriff, whom I puffy heart, is going to come down on his youknowhwat like a ton of bricks. Justice IS coming.

If I were him, I would give up Lonzie's body. He is toast no matter what. That baby deserves a loving burial by those who TRULY loved him (I am not including mom here, as I am not very convinced as to her innocence in this whole tragedy).

 

[Karinna]

If there is even the slightest chance that Lonzie was handed off to someone else, then RE would not have been disposing of a deceased child but a live one. That theory about Lonzie being sold for a drug debt was in an MSM article posted on here, but i don't really know what the possibility of that is, and if LE are even considering that scenario? Maybe that could be a reason they haven't found Lonzie yet?

 

[GigTu]

The chief feels Lonzie has died. However, that statement could be a ploy, or bluff. He does like the game of poker afterall.

 

[Karinna]

The chief feels Lonzie has died. However, that statement could be a ploy, or bluff. He does like the game of poker afterall.

It's possible. LE don't show people their strategy on how they are investigating a case and give the public bits & pieces of information as they see fit so as not to jeopardise their case i would think.

 

[cvaldez1975]

i dont mean that literally it is a rumor... just that we cant verify it.

youre right, they did not dispute that guy's claims at all... they only disputed it when some other person posted about it and it was not "that isnt true!" it was "well it doesnt matter who the real father is, only who was there for him/raised him"

the name was changed back to "find lonzie barton" again.

If CB has been messaging on there as i believe that is true, because he asked that the "Find Lonzie" page be removed when things were getting a bit heated over there a while back, and whoever owns the page changed its name to "Missing Children in Florida", so as to not make it specifically about Lonzie only, then the recent couple of messages under his name, one of them by LL, then he would of read those other messages by RB about being the real dad. No one CB or LL disputed that there, so its anyone's guess really.
IMO not everyone that posts on SM is making up rumours, a lot of stuff on various people's pages is factual i would think, but i know on here it is considered as rumour in certain instances. Apparently RB has informed LE of certain things, so it may or may not come out eventually if true.

 

[Karinna]

i dont mean that literally it is a rumor... just that we cant verify it.

youre right, they did not dispute that guy's claims at all... they only disputed it when some other person posted about it and it was not "that isnt true!" it was "well it doesnt matter who the real father is, only who was there for him/raised him"

the name was changed back to "find lonzie barton" again.

Yes it did, i posted about it yesterday somewhere upthread.

 

[avandongen]

yes i saw that rumor and CB's fb replied to it identifying self as LL and some stuff about it doesnt matter who the real father is only who raised him so it sort of sounds like it could be true, but it is SM and a rumor and not verified.

Wouldnt assume this would be very hard to find out if it was a rumor or not. In order to have medical-food stamps or any county assistance one HAS to have a child support case/order. I am not finding nothing tho. I would "assume" she gets at the very least medical through the state for the children. I do see the "new supposed" father was in jail for child support order on other children in June then in August actually got custody of the children from the courts.

Edited to add - "IF" CB was raising him, L has CB last name. One could assume it is legally his now anyways, no?

 

[seattlechiquita]

I honestly think it doesn't matter who the father is right now. What matters is finding this little guy in the off chance he is alive, or recovering his remains if he is not.

 

[avandongen]

I honestly think it doesn't matter who the father is right now. What matters is finding this little guy in the off chance he is alive, or recovering his remains if he is not.

I disagree only because if there is truth to it, it "could" throw in more possibilities. Now in no way am I saying RE is not guilty, cause I believe he is involved, 100% he did it imo, but the what "IF" it wasnt him, maybe the "real" father had a vendetta against them. I mean leaving no stone unturned one must speculate ALL the possibilities.

 

[AJsmimi]

Didn't we have all kinds of "father claims" at the end of the Caylee Anthony debacle also?