FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #14

[Gemmie]

Unless this is a charge for a thing he did and recorded over two years ago? It says date of offense, not date of charge.

MOO

Good point except his dates of CSAM offenses go back several yrs. He was SAing her between the ages of 8 and 13 yrs old. 13 being 2024. Wouldn't they have a range? Since they don't, might it be a typo? Wouldn't be the first I've seen.

 

[ttjo]

has this been posted already>? if so, sorry.
its about 3 min long. Sound starts at about 23:31

he waved his appearance.

 

[ttjo]

Good point except his dates of CSAM offenses go back several yrs. He was SAing her between the ages of 8 and 13 yrs old. 13 being 2024. Wouldn't they have a range? Since they don't, might it be a typo? Wouldn't be the first I've seen.

it has to be correct, (date of offense) because by march 21.2024 Maddi was already deceased and he was already in custody.

 

[Seattle1]

Unless this is a charge for a thing he did and recorded over two years ago? It says date of offense, not date of charge.

MOO

I believe you are correct @iamshadow21. From other cases, I recall the application of the Statute for an offender in possession 10 of more images of CP is fairly complex. This also includes 'double jeopardy' where the same image might be located in batch evidence recovered during different periods. These pervs including SS have tens of thousands of photos, and this is not deemed unusual. Sorry, I don't have the time nor the fortitude to deal with this part of the case. MOO

 

[Gemmie]

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[Gemmie]

I believe you are correct @iamshadow21. From other cases, I recall the application of the Statute for an offender in possession 10 of more images of CP is fairly complex. This also includes 'double jeopardy' where the same image might be located in batch evidence recovered during different periods. These pervs including SS have tens of thousands of photos, and this is not deemed unusual. Sorry, I don't have the time nor the fortitude to deal with this part of the case. MOO

OK, I (think I) understand now. If the date of offense is 2022... why would they call that one date/instance out? She was SA'ed for 4-5 years. I find it interesting they'd call out a date in the middle of that timeframe considering what the motion is about. I can't make sense out of it.

Here is the docket SS again:

 

[ttjo]

Is there some version of the murder where it happened downstairs or maybe in the master BR? And the body was placed in Maddie’s BR like she was sleeping there until the wee hours when SS put on her typical school clothes and took her body out to the car in the dark? The texts the two adults shared about MS making her nest and all that might still work if MS’s body was tucked in her own bed like she was sleeping there that night.
Only my mind wandering around. Are these ideas totally far-fetched?

Not far fetched, how do you explain one of Maddi's crocs in the dumpster and the other in Jenns bedroom? Just askin.

Another thought I had about the dog story is that the leash had been used to strangle MS, and bringing it into JS’s room and saying he was going to walk the dog was part of creating his timeline?

Only thing is if I remember correctly, her injuries included the Hyoid bone being broken? i cant remember the exact word they used and to do that it indicated direct pressure? I'll have to look it up again, I remember we discussed it before.

Added: I like the birthday money thought, too. Very likely.

Just my musings. Won’t be surprised if you all remember something that negates my ideas.

 

[ttjo]

OK, I (think I) understand now. If the date of offense is 2022... why would they call that one date/instance out? She was SA'ed for 4-5 years. I find it interesting they'd call out a date in the middle of that timeframe considering what the motion is about. I can't make sense out of it.

Here is the docket SS again:


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In his charges does it list dates?

 

[Gemmie]

In his charges does it list dates?

No, not on the court site for his CSAM CASE. His charges look like this (only a much longer list and nothing clickable for4 more info like dates):

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[iamshadow21]

Not far fetched, how do you explain one of Maddi's crocs in the dumpster and the other in Jenns bedroom? Just askin.

Only thing is if I remember correctly, her injuries included the Hyoid bone being broken? i cant remember the exact word they used and to do that it indicated direct pressure? I'll have to look it up again, I remember we discussed it before.

Hyoid breakage isn't exclusive to manual strangulation, it can occur with ligature strangulation and hanging, too.

Hyoid fracture and strangulation - PubMed

Observation of hyoid fracture in skeletonized remains offers potentially valuable information on the history of the skeleton or evidence of foul play, or both. Perimortem hyoid fracture frequently indicates manual strangulation, although ligature strangulation, hanging, and other forms of trauma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fracture of hyoid bone in cases of asphyxial deaths resulting from constricting force round the neck. | IMSEAR

pesquisa.bvsalud.org

 

[Seattle1]

OK, I (think I) understand now. If the date of offense is 2022... why would they call that one date/instance out? She was SA'ed for 4-5 years. I find it interesting they'd call out a date in the middle of that timeframe considering what the motion is about. I can't make sense out of it.

Here is the docket SS again:


View attachment 564188

Ok, I have not read the full Order granting the Continuance but I believe I found the reference for the 3/21/2022 date.

I located this date in the Amended Information (Count 20, page 15/35). It's probably just a Count chosen at random in no particular order given the continuance should apply to all 60 counts and not limited to the following Count but I did not read the Order (and stopped reading at Count 20 of the 60 Count Information):



Filing # 195987285 E-Filed 04/11/2024 12:32:45 PM
Reference: Page 15/35

 

[Gemmie]

Ok, I have not read the full Order granting the Continuance but I believe I found the reference for the 3/21/2022 date.

I located this date in the Amended Information (Count 20, page 15/35). It's probably just a Count chosen at random in no particular order given the continuance should apply to all 60 counts and not limited to the following Count but I did not read the Order (and stopped reading at Count 20 of the 60 Count Information):

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Filing # 195987285 E-Filed 04/11/2024 12:32:45 PM
Reference: Page 15/35


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Thanks for finding that! But my question stands.... why that one date/CSAM instance out of 4-5 yrs? I'm not understanding why they are calling out that one date/instance of abuse over all others, which were a lot.

 

[Seattle1]

Apparently, He has filed a motion for continuance in the CSAM trial, I can never access those docs, I dont know if its because I am in Canada? Can someone check? Maybe I am not doing something right but every link that has been posted in here for court docs, never works for me.

Yes, confirming the defense filed a Motion to Continue on 2/6/25 but it's not only OP that does not have access to the doc, the Motion has not been uploaded and/or made available yet for public access.

@ttjo - Here's a copy of the Defense Motion to Continue that you made inquire about. It's now available for public access/view. Also, the State did not object to the continuance, and the Court granted the Motion on 2/12/25.

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks for finding that! But my question stands.... why that one date/CSAM instance out of 4-5 yrs? I'm not understanding why they are calling out that one date/instance of abuse over all others, which were a lot.

@Gemmie -- I went back to read the Order granting the Defense Motion for Continuance and I believe the confusion comes in part that the truncated Order OP posted was not the Order granting the Defense Motion but an "Appearance Order" for the Pretrial Hearing and Jury Trial-- where appearance in person is generally mandatory.

The "offense date" on an "Appearance Order" is typically tied to the Bond Statute but I also see this referenced on Appeal issues. I know this doesn't answer OP's question as to why that date (3/21/22) was selected but at least we know it doesn't tie specifically to the subject Defense Motion!

 

[ttjo]

Hyoid breakage isn't exclusive to manual strangulation, it can occur with ligature strangulation and hanging, too.

Hyoid fracture and strangulation - PubMed

Observation of hyoid fracture in skeletonized remains offers potentially valuable information on the history of the skeleton or evidence of foul play, or both. Perimortem hyoid fracture frequently indicates manual strangulation, although ligature strangulation, hanging, and other forms of trauma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fracture of hyoid bone in cases of asphyxial deaths resulting from constricting force round the neck. | IMSEAR

pesquisa.bvsalud.org

Im sure its not exclusive to manual strangulation, but I thought it was more commonly found in manual strangulation? Mostly because of Maddis age and the flexibility of the hyoid bone in younger kids. We talked about this before I think, because of the leash found in the MKZ, turns out it was a strap to hold the dog. Who knows, anything is possible.

 

[tlcya]

making a note for myself - next hearing April 23rd

 

[Gemmie]

More new dockets today in SS's murder case. This one is putting Sheriff Lopez on the Brady list. And it looks like he's asking to be removed from the Brady list.

Osceola County Sheriff Marco Lopez has formally requested that he be removed from a state list that declares him untrustworthy for the justice system to rely on in court.

More at link:

MSN

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[Seattle1]

2/11/25

Osceola Sheriff Lopez wants to remove name from Brady list​

ETA:

Initial 7/24 MSM

Osceola County sheriff explains how photo of Madeline Soto's body was accidentally posted on social media

For the first time since he accidentally shared a photo of 13-year-old Madeline Soto’s body on social media, the Osceola County Sheriff sat down with WESH to talk about what happened.

www.wesh.com

I recall when this happened and an unidentified image appeared with a group of Senior photos and within minutes removed from Instagram. Adding an Officer to a Brady List is a very serious matter -- career ending. Coming from a couple of MA trials where more than one LE Officer has proven to provide false information-- a 'real lie,' versus an honest mistake, this appears to be retaliatory. JMO

 

[ttjo]

2/11/25

Osceola Sheriff Lopez wants to remove name from Brady list​

ETA:

Initial 7/24 MSM

Osceola County sheriff explains how photo of Madeline Soto's body was accidentally posted on social media

For the first time since he accidentally shared a photo of 13-year-old Madeline Soto’s body on social media, the Osceola County Sheriff sat down with WESH to talk about what happened.

www.wesh.com

I recall when this happened and an unidentified image appeared with a group of Senior photos and within minutes removed from Instagram. Adding an Officer to a Brady List is a very serious matter -- career ending. Coming from a couple of MA trials where more than one LE Officer has proven to provide false information-- a 'real lie,' versus an honest mistake, this appears to be retaliatory. JMO

I agree, This source (Link below) says "A Giglio or Brady list is a list compiled usually by a prosecutor's office or a police department containing the names and details of law enforcement officers who have had sustained incidents of untruthfulness, criminal convictions, candor issues, or some other type of issue placing their credibility into question."
How does that fit for Lopez?

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/Brady-Giglio.pdf

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree, This source (Link below) says "A Giglio or Brady list is a list compiled usually by a prosecutor's office or a police department containing the names and details of law enforcement officers who have had sustained incidents of untruthfulness, criminal convictions, candor issues, or some other type of issue placing their credibility into question."
How does that fit for Lopez?

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/Brady-Giglio.pdf

Well, he lied about it. He said to the media that the photo uploaded wasn't her body, then they had to walk it back because it absolutely was.

It was a very foolish lie to make; too many people saw the picture when it was originally posted and absolutely were not buying the BS he was selling. It made the department not only look clumsy with the evidence photos of a murdered child, but obviously liars out to protect their own behinds in a blatant way, like a young kid with chocolate all over his face earnestly insisting he didn't eat that cupcake that was on the table.

Osceola sheriff’s ‘untruthful’ statement about Madeline Soto photo lands him on Brady List. Here’s what that means

In one of his last acts as Orange-Osceola state attorney, Andrew Bain adds Osceola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez to the Brady List.

www.clickorlando.com

MOO