FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #14

[ttjo]

I agree with educating kids about this. Parents have got to provide oversight and maybe block kids from downloading apps. It needs to be on-going. And also to let kids know at the same time, it is not right for anyone to touch them and it is okay to tell 3 adults.

When they are young enough and don't have their own device, its easier to block kids from downloading. Teens? a little tougher.

here's another sicko that was finally sentenced

MSN

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American man gets 50 years for 'horrific' sex abuse, kidnapping of Edmonton teen

An American man who developed an online relationship with an Edmonton teen and groomed her for over a year before whisking her away to the U.S. and subjecting her to “horrific sexual abuse” has been g...

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[Sheila Terranova]

I will always wonder how we got from "I told them no no no, this can't happen very often" ( ) to Madeline being literally forced by JS to sleep with SS -- not even just to sleep in her own cot/on the couch downstairs, but specifically in his bed in Room #4 -- despite Madeline begging JS for them all to sleep together, that one fateful night (most likely in an effort to avoid the continued abuse she knew was coming if he managed to get her alone).

This is why I will always believe JS was complicit. No good parent goes from that first extreme to the other. Not only that, but if she was truly worried about losing him to the Woody Allen scenario, why would she force it? There are few explanations, and none of them good.

If they lived in that condo that whole time (pretty sure they did), then, at some point, there absolutely must have been options for Madeline other than Room #4, when JS apparently needed her sleep. There's no getting around the fact that JS made any/all of those no longer an option by the time of these events, because she specifically forced Madeline to go sleep with SS in Room #4, despite Madeline's pleas to the contrary.

She either knew or was a criminally negligent parent .

 

[IzzyBlanche]

She either knew or was a criminally negligent parent .

I think she didn't want to know, but she knew.

For whatever reason, having SS in her life was more important to her than protecting Maddie from SS's abuse.

I think she sacrificed her daughter's innocence and well-being to keep SS around.

JMO.

 

[FromGermany1]

I think she didn't want to know, but she knew.

For whatever reason, having SS in her life was more important to her than protecting Maddie from SS's abuse.

I think she sacrificed her daughter's innocence and well-being to keep SS around.

JMO.

I believe, they were partners in crime, and she started the abuse. With him, the right two had found each other. That's, why he was so important to her, I believe. Her choice several years ago was great (in her sense): he hasn't really betrayed her to the police yet. MOO

 

[ttjo]

I think she didn't want to know, but she knew.

For whatever reason, having SS in her life was more important to her than protecting Maddie from SS's abuse.

I think she sacrificed her daughter's innocence and well-being to keep SS around.

JMO.

I am with you on this. I cannot get past how you are protective of someone who you know has SA'd your daughter, that you have also seen photos of,. Just leave the murder out for now b/c who knows what happened there or who was all involved or the extent of their involvement.
What explains her reaction to SS and the charges?
IF they were making videos, was she in on making the videos? Maybe not even involved but aware?? They were always broke. and she would imply that SS stole from his parents ( the watch. cash) was that to throw them ? to answer before they ask. " he wasn't working how do you explain the money he spent?
or.
Did she just want him around to be the nanny? So she could sleep and medicate herself and not be a parent? I don't think. this would make you protective of him, tho? This wouldn't be that guilt-inducing. Not after what he did.

I don't get it, There has to be something there. I cannot understand her protectiveness otherwise.
of anyone has any ideas Id love to hear what else it could be.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

of anyone has any ideas Id love to hear what else it could be.

I believe it's possible she went into deep denial and didn't allow herself to admit (to herself) what was obviously happening. And she was initially "protective" of him toward LE because it allowed the denial to continue. Otherwise her false-reality would have come crashing down.

It allowed her to not yet face that she was the one who chose and continued choosing-- a monster. She could still pretend somewhat that the nightmare wasn't really happening.

But I wonder if she now has seen the light and will be fully cooperating with the prosecution?

 

[Skigh]

I believe, they were partners in crime, and she started the abuse. With him, the right two had found each other. That's, why he was so important to her, I believe. Her choice several years ago was great (in her sense): he hasn't really betrayed her to the police yet. MOO

I agree with you. Partners in crime.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

At the end of the day its not normal to send your teenage daughter to go and sleep with your on and off boyfriend. Sleeping with her biological dad would not seem strange with a lack of space but SS ....No in my opinion she knew what was going on and either plainly didn't care until it went too far and he killed her or she profited off whatever income he got from Telegram and the Dark Web... The way that the Dark Web works is with a browser called Tor this can be loaded onto a memory stick or external harddrive an so it keeps any activity completely private... Its good for Whistleblowers but unfortunately scum like pedos or drug dealers take advantage of the anonymous nature of Tor... Strange how his computer didn't have a hard drive and it never showed up isnt it

Interesting background there @johnlair ….. and thanks for sharing the thoughts.

IIRC on the matter of SS computer, or at least the one it was believe he used….. maybe it was a tower perhaps? ….. there has been some prior discussion about a hard drive for it it seems. Somewhere within these threads? But IIARC that hard drive has not surfaced or been located? And IIARC SS father also had some information or responses when questioned about that supposed hard drive? And it doesn’t seem clear who all might have knowledge or details on it?

There might also have been some discussion about a storage facility and some computer equipment. And again SS father IIRC was in some of these discussions with authorities? I hope authorities can dig deep and understand the use of the electronic equipment, recordings that SS made, and the trail for that information. (As we are on the 14th thread here in MS case I won’t regrettably be able to find relevant posts on this matter.) MOO

 

[shetalksinstereo]

Interesting background there @johnlair ….. and thanks for sharing the thoughts.

IIRC on the matter of SS computer, or at least the one it was believe he used….. maybe it was a tower perhaps? ….. there has been some prior discussion about a hard drive for it it seems. Somewhere within these threads? But IIARC that hard drive has not surfaced or been located? And IIARC SS father also had some information or responses when questioned about that supposed hard drive? And it doesn’t seem clear who all might have knowledge or details on it?

There might also have been some discussion about a storage facility and some computer equipment. And again SS father IIRC was in some of these discussions with authorities? I hope authorities can dig deep and understand the use of the electronic equipment, recordings that SS made, and the trail for that information. (As we are on the 14th thread here in MS case I won’t regrettably be able to find relevant posts on this matter.) MOO

I have wondered if there was some other storage device, such as a flash drive, that is stored wherever the mysterious watch is and SS is hoping they find the "watch"?

 

[lonetraveler]

I also will never believe that JS was asleep while everything happened. JMO

 

[ttjo]

Interesting background there @johnlair ….. and thanks for sharing the thoughts.

IIRC on the matter of SS computer, or at least the one it was believe he used….. maybe it was a tower perhaps? ….. there has been some prior discussion about a hard drive for it it seems. Somewhere within these threads? But IIARC that hard drive has not surfaced or been located? And IIARC SS father also had some information or responses when questioned about that supposed hard drive? And it doesn’t seem clear who all might have knowledge or details on it?

There might also have been some discussion about a storage facility and some computer equipment. And again SS father IIRC was in some of these discussions with authorities? I hope authorities can dig deep and understand the use of the electronic equipment, recordings that SS made, and the trail for that information. (As we are on the 14th thread here in MS case I won’t regrettably be able to find relevant posts on this matter.) MOO

I remember this discussion:Found Deceased - FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #12
deleted part of comment b/c it talks about it in that post. . Maybe now with so many videos out I can find a clip to post.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I believe, they were partners in crime, and she started the abuse. With him, the right two had found each other. That's, why he was so important to her, I believe. Her choice several years ago was great (in her sense): he hasn't really betrayed her to the police yet. MOO

Along these lines, I’ve always thought it concerning they all three slept together in Jenn’s bed. That’s not normal. Lots of opportunity. MOO. I leave the rest to your imaginations. I’m totally in the camp of a partnership.

 

[ttjo]

Along these lines, I’ve always thought it concerning they all three slept together in Jenn’s bed. That’s not normal. Lots of opportunity. MOO. I leave the rest to your imaginations. I’m totally in the camp of a partnership.

After their legs were tangled up that one time, Did Steohan bring it to Jenn's attention, and tell her that maybe it isn't such a good idea for M to sleep in their bed anymore.??
Who told that story?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Along these lines, I’ve always thought it concerning they all three slept together in Jenn’s bed. That’s not normal. Lots of opportunity. MOO. I leave the rest to your imaginations. I’m totally in the camp of a partnership.

When I was little, one thing I loved to do was go jump in bed with my parents on Saturday morning. No school, no work! Let's play!

It seemed strange to my little mind at the time that my parents discouraged this so strongly that I quit doing it.

Only as an adult did I realize they didn't want me to be in a position to notice in case my dad had woken up with "morning wood."

At the very least you'd think JS would have been concerned about the same with SS if they were all sleeping in the same bed together.

 

[FromGermany1]

After their legs were tangled up that one time, Did Steohan bring it to Jenn's attention, and tell her that maybe it isn't such a good idea for M to sleep in their bed anymore.??
Who told that story?

I believe, this all was an ongoing topic between the TWO and the TWO liked it. MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

After their legs were tangled up that one time, Did Steohan bring it to Jenn's attention, and tell her that maybe it isn't such a good idea for M to sleep in their bed anymore.??
Who told that story?

I am pretty sure it was SS's mother who told that story. Madeline told her about it and was giggling like she thought it was funny, but SS's mom did not think it was funny.

 

[ttjo]

I am pretty sure it was SS's mother who told that story. Madeline told her about it and was giggling like she thought it was funny, but SS's mom did not think it was funny.

YES!!! thats right, it was DS, and she voiced her concern over them all sleeping together also.

 

[MIG214222]

An open question - if anyone could kindly point me in the right direction please - does anyone remember an *actual* video of coppers performing a search of the North Port storage unit rented by Sterns senior & at one point CS 'offering' to either attend the actual storage unit *search* OR *come inside* the the actual storage unit - as it was being searched?

Thanks in advance!
& M, always M

 

[ttjo]

I do remember seeing a video ( or maybe just pics) with shelves and hard drives on it. I think it might be in that video series called Justice for Madeline,

I think it was between April 1, and the 11/12 as per this article TIMELINE: Here’s where things stand in the Madeline Soto case 11 months later
Grizzly has an interview with CS, where he talks about the storage unit , this clip has no commentary starts at 7:30

I'll keep looking, if anyone would have it, it would be plunder or the docket. They foia'd everything they could get.

 

[MIG214222]

I do remember seeing a video ( or maybe just pics) with shelves and hard drives on it. I think it might be in that video series called Justice for Madeline,

I think it was between April 1, and the 11/12 as per this article TIMELINE: Here’s where things stand in the Madeline Soto case 11 months later
Grizzly has an interview with CS, where he talks about the storage unit , this clip has no commentary starts at 7:30

I'll keep looking, if anyone would have it, it would be plunder or the docket. They foia'd everything they could get.

FOUND IT!!, LOL, see my last dot point - with images, thank you so so much @ttjo, U R a total star

• Re: Grizzly - Police Interviews with Stephan Sterns' Parents, Madeline Soto Case; I did listen to that this am; the convo is touching on the info I'm searching for.
• Re: A look at the evidence against Madeline Soto’s accused killer - unfortunately the storage unit search is not shown, however, an image that always strikes me as unbearably sad, at 01:52/53 - Madeline Soto's small white croc, retrieved from the garbage, face down on the concrete floor.
• Justice for Madeline | 6-part deep dive of the investigation into Madeline Soto's death, has a discussion about the USB drives found in the SU & the contents of same; no images of the search.
• Another question that has always never been answered for me - 23:00 in the same video, SS moving Maddie to the trunk of the Lincoln - why did the detection doggies never detect on the trunk (in your opinion - if you have one & don't mind sharing please?)
• Do you know this State Attorneys' name - 11:32 in the video: WATCH LIVE: State attorney, Kissimmee police give update on Madeline Soto case.
• Thank you for the 'prompts' for Plunder & the 'Docket'; re both of those, do you know IF they're allowed as sources in WS; Plunder does wonderful work, very thorough & committed & the D is in a league of his own; both of them match GK easily - in as much as they're equally as professional & skilled as she is; different presentation styles.
• What I was searching for, this is not the coppers searching North Port storage unit, however, it is (I believe) a LE search - I haven't put the link to Plunder's video bc I'm not sure if Plunder is a permitted source, the name of the video is: Jennifer Soto 6 police interviews: Stephan Sterns quit Disney’s Soarin' Around the World at EPCOT; the relevant section is at 2 13 44 onwards -> Rockers Lockers, 5145 E Irlo Bronson Hwy St. Cloud, FL; the reason it peaked my interest was bc I thought it was CS NP SU & it struck me as odd that he would have a router/tower etc lit up like a Christmas tree in there....

Again, I'm very grateful you took the time to go digging for me @ttjo!

I'm going to Moff now, here a M, there a M, everywhere a M

Edit, added image bc it wouldn't parsley