Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #14

[ttjo]

I totally agree.

Just my opinion, but I think like most child predators, he thought if Maddie ever told, he could create plausible deniability by claiming she was lying or deluded or otherwise untrustworthy.

So it had to be something he believed existed that could not be denied with mere words.

That makes sense, and I know what i thought that was, but it has been said that it was not true. That doesnt mean he didn't think it, or was led to think it.
The phone call that rattled him, even though we don't know for sure what that was about, or who it was has always bothered me.
I always wondered if Jenn planted those seeds and if so, why?

 

[FromGermany1]

I totally agree.

Just my opinion, but I think like most child predators, he thought if Maddie ever told, he could create plausible deniability by claiming she was lying or deluded or otherwise untrustworthy.

So it had to be something he believed existed that could not be denied with mere words.

My assumption:
M was pregnant.
Afaik, she didn't want to go home after her vacation with her grandparents and had bitterly cried about it.
She knew, what lay ahead: trouble with her mother.
MOO

 

[ttjo]

My assumption:
M was pregnant.
Afaik, she didn't want to go home after her vacation with her grandparents and had bitterly cried about it.
She knew, what lay ahead: trouble with her mother.
MOO

That's sort of what I was thinking altho it has been reported that she was not pregnant, but did he think she was?
I would not normally go there but the pregnancy tests and the period tracker kind of make you consider it. Jenn also didnt track Jan, saying Maddi must have forgot to tell her. Could be nothing, but who knows?
Jenn said her and stephan had not been intimate in over a year, I cant recall how many tests she had but it sounded like more than one. If she was tracking maddis cycles, she should have also known her own and when her fertile time frame was, and been taking precautions, IF she was intimate, I guess I feel like at that age, youre a little more careful and dont have any accidents requiring a stockpile of pregnancy tests. ( I heard 3 but I could be wrong)

 

[Gemmie]

That's sort of what I was thinking altho it has been reported that she was not pregnant, but did he think she was?
I would not normally go there but the pregnancy tests and the period tracker kind of make you consider it.

Where was it reported that she was not pregnant? Asking because i don't remember hearing that. The general public isn't privy to a minor's autopsy report in FL. Did I miss some important news?

 

[ttjo]

Where was it reported that she was not pregnant? Asking because i don't remember hearing that. The general public isn't privy to a minor's autopsy report in FL. Did I miss some important news?

and I should have qualified that, it was not officially reported by autopsy, but her family members have said she was not, Can I post that if its not mainstream media. ? It does make you wonder how they knew that, were they told? but who knows? I can send it to you.
Thing is, whether she was or wasn't almost doesnt matter; its whether or not he thought she was or if Jenn thought she was.
I also wondered if it was just some setup by Jenn, a scare tactic so he would stop?? I don't know what to think.
I just feel like she is hiding something, which makes her defensive of him even after all he has done. so what could that be? Did she start something that night ?
You have to think about who they are, not what normal people would do. Its just something to consider.

 

[FromGermany1]

and I should have qualified that, it was not officially reported by autopsy, but her family members have said she was not, Can I post that if its not mainstream media. ? I can send it to you.
Thing is whether she was or wasnt almost doesnt matter, its whether or not he thought she was or if Jenn thought she was.
I also wondered if it was just some set up by Jenn, a scare tactic so he would stop?? I dont know what to think.
I just feel like she is hiding something, which makes her defensive of him even after all he has done. so what could that be? Did she start something that night ?
Its just something to consider.

He would have stayed absent further, if he not had gotten a call to come over. Why a scare tactic? A scare tactic only to make the problem go away, in however which way, IMO.

 

[Gemmie]

and I should have qualified that, it was not officially reported by autopsy, but her family members have said she was not, Can I post that if its not mainstream media. ? It does make you wonder how they knew that, were they told? but who knows?

Family was allowed the autopsy results to the best of my knowledge. I can also see her father not wanting that info out and saying she wasn't when she was. So... unless I've seen the report with my own eyes... it's hearsay to me that she wasn't, even if it was from a family member that was privy to see the results.

 

[ttjo]

He would have stayed absent further, if he not had gotten a call to come over. Why a scare tactic? A scare tactic only to make the problem go away, in however which way, IMO.

IDK, a scare tactic because her biggest fear was that "woody allan" situation, she may have wanted it to stop ,
At one point maybe she was willfully blind b/c it kept him around but she has mental health issues, maybe she got in her own head and thought the only reason he comes around is b/c of Maddi, insecure, she wanted it to stop?
I dont want to get too attached to that idea, cause I'm not 100% just brainstorming possibilities.

 

[lightofmine99]

Home pregnancy tests can result in false positives and false negatives (and vice versa), though I don’t know what the estimated rate of this is. Do we know what the test that was found in the home said?
It could’ve been a false positive that resulted in a violent reaction.

I guess it’s possible for a negative result to still have the same effect because of paranoia.

MOO.

 

[ttjo]

Family was allowed the autopsy results to the best of my knowledge. I can also see her father not wanting that info out and saying she wasn't when she was. So... unless I've seen the report with my own eyes... it's hearsay to me that she wasn't, even if it was from a family member that was privy to see the results.

Agreed, but I'm not even sure if it matters if she was or wasnt.. if you just think of a few things and try to make some sense of it.
for example: ( and this is just off the top OMH)
was it accidental?
a Saturday phonecall that rattled him ( according to CS)
pregnancy tests
period tracker.
Woody Allen
instructing CS to get him a lawyer. Why was she protecting him?
thinking the SA wasn't as evil as the murder.
all the " we's" and " close to the school" and " I saw"
correcting her last worn outfit to the police.
all the over-explaining
Can she not charge him now and change her mind later? wtat the actual...?
WHAT on earth was she doing all that for?

 

[ttjo]

Home pregnancy tests can result in false positives and false negatives (and vice versa), though I don’t know what the estimated rate of this is. Do we know what the test that was found in the home said?
It could’ve been a false positive that resulted in a violent reaction.

I guess it’s possible for a negative result to still have the same effect because of paranoia.

MOO.

I dont even know if one was used? Shes the one that offered that info to police that she had them under her sink but wasnt even sure they were still there, she knew where that were going with their questioning, and she got ahead of it.
I mean, sure, they could have been for her. but where there is smoke...
I just dont believe he planned this because he was afraid she would tell, so just trying to brainstorm other possibilities

 

[lightofmine99]

I dont even know if one was used?

Maybe I'm misremembering or confusing this case with another but I thought they found an open pregnancy test somewhere in the home that was not under the sink? Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ttjo]

Maybe I'm misremembering or confusing this case with another but I thought they found an open pregnancy test somewhere in the home that was not under the sink? Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

@Gemmie ? do you know? I dont think I have heard that, but maybe someone else has? Out of everythhg that we have heard, I am kind of leaning towards that having something to do with it, I dont necessarily think she was, but it may have been perceived.

 

[Gemmie]

@Gemmie ? do you know? I dont think I have heard that, but maybe someone else has? Out of everythhg that we have heard, I am kind of leaning towards that having something to do with it, I dont necessarily think she was, but it may have been perceived.

Lemme think about this. I do not remember that but doesn't mean I'm remembering correctly. My hair is on fire with a real estate transaction. I should log off and stop looking over here. lol

 

[Megnut]

Not counting any roommates, it's CLEAR there was only ONE ADULT in that whole household. And she was 13. (And barely that.)

You've got a mother who either numbed herself from what was happening or resigned herself to it.

Well, as long as he's not hurting her.
Well, as long as it's not all the time.
Well, as long as she is kicking and screaming.
Well, as long as their are no bruises.
Well, as long as they don't run off together.
Well, as long as I can get the sleep I need.
Well, as long as she's doing well enough in school.
Well, as long as he's willing to watch her when I have to work.
Well, as long as...

It's almost like it turned into Sister Wives. Wife 1 gets the primary, public (appearance) of a relationship while Wife 2 is responsible for birthing the babies.

I want to be 1000% wrong.

But MS's friend knew MS was late. Later MS apparently told her she was back on track but MS might have had reason to fib.

Pregnancy tests in the home --

MS saying she wanted to go live in the woods at 13, if indeed she said that. To get away from the immature adults in her life. To raise a baby....

I dare say, if that poor child WAS pregnant and DID run away to the forest, she and her baby would have had a chance at least, at life. But honestly, if JS and SS stayed back at those, and MS left for the Hundred Acre Woods, she'd have stood a better chance of raising a baby in the woods and on her own than in a house with ... we'll, what she'd have run from.

Sad, sad commentary.

Why was the burden on the child? Why was she left to navigate school, puberty, life, SS & JS and their weird arrangementship, and SS and all the years of nasty abuse? Left to fend for all of it while the adults abrogated their responsibilities?

So, so, so unfair.

And yet we still have SS whining about how hard he has it.

How much longer until we can forget he ever existed?

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I dare say, if that poor child WAS pregnant and DID run away to the forest, she and her baby would have had a chance at least, at life.

SBMFF

I hate saying this, and even thinking it, but IF she was pregnant, I'd hate for her to have had that baby living in that household. Cuz in all honesty, we don't know what lower age limit SS's tastes are.

 

[Megnut]

SBMFF

I hate saying this, and even thinking it, but IF she was pregnant, I'd hate for her to have had that baby living in that household. Cuz in all honesty, we don't know what lower age limit SS's tastes are.

No doubt MS was "aging out". SS was saying it, in his snide remarks. PMSing. No, MS was maturing and was going to be able to speak up and out, which is why he targeted an 8 year old, knowing she wouldn't and couldn't. IMO SS would always be looking for the next victim, and since he's predominantly lazy, he'll just wait for someone else to provide the access. You are exactly right. NO CHILD WOULD BE SAFE NEAR HIM. Which could be another reason that MS wanted to escape. IF pregnant, to protect her baby from him.

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

That's sort of what I was thinking altho it has been reported that she was not pregnant, but did he think she was?
I would not normally go there but the pregnancy tests and the period tracker kind of make you consider it. Jenn also didnt track Jan, saying Maddi must have forgot to tell her. Could be nothing, but who knows?
Jenn said her and stephan had not been intimate in over a year, I cant recall how many tests she had but it sounded like more than one. If she was tracking maddis cycles, she should have also known her own and when her fertile time frame was, and been taking precautions, IF she was intimate, I guess I feel like at that age, youre a little more careful and dont have any accidents requiring a stockpile of pregnancy tests. ( I heard 3 but I could be wrong)

Where was it reported that MS wasn't pregnant? Was it reported on the autopsy report?

 

[lonetraveler]

I've been thinking about pregnancy since the beginning of this case. Maybe this is the news that he received on that phone call. JS might have told him that he made the mess and now he needed to come back and fix it. JMO

 

[ttjo]

Where was it reported that MS wasn't pregnant? Was it reported on the autopsy report?

No. I have just heard it said on several channels that she wasnt, that her family ( her bio dad) mostly has said she was not. They were supposed to have been given the results of the autopsy,
I mean stephan sterns said he read the autopsy report, if that info was there surely he would have said something?
Dont take my word for it, Im going by sources which I thought were pretty credible, and not by anything official.