FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #15

[Reetz]

I understand that, but what i'm saying is if they cant come up with an appropriate response, then he should not be able to give a response that does further harm either. Doesnt anyone check this before hand?
Victims would have been better off he said nothing, Instead he was given the opportunity to basically say hes also a victim.
Its not about him, that is the point, hes supposed to be responding to victim impacts, not giving his own victim impact statement.
I get it you cant make someone feel anything, and I dont expect to get gold from straw, but at least have some controls in place that dont allow him to do further harm, they shouldnt have the right to speak if they're going to do more damage.
Especially someone in his position, who is able to plead no contest and then speak like he was traumatized ( this has torn apart his family) It was shocking to hear his nerve.
What an injustice to the victims and the family.

gobsmacked that this was allowed to be read...disgusting and amazing show of narcissism

 

[Inthedetails]

Here's what I woke up thinking about Maddie living with her dad. He had said that he told her that at 13 she could decide which parent she wanted to live with and she said she wanted to live with him. When she turned THIRTEEN which was mere days before she was murdered. Which made me wonder... maybe SS's trigger wasn't that she was pregnant, like so many of us have considered, including myself. Maybe she told SS that she decided to move to TX to live with her father. His prey was leaving him and he snapped.

I have no idea what the trigger was. Pregnancy, moving away, telling him "No more", or something completely different. What I firmly believe though is that something triggered him. And out of all the lies he's said... the 1 thing I believe is true is that he misses Maddie. Well, sadly not Maddie for what she meant to her loved ones... her smile, her laughter, how smart she was, how talented and fun she was, etc... but what he misses is easy access to a young girl. And that is sick. He never cared about her, or her feelings. He only cared about him and HIS feeling.

Reading this discussion yesterday makes think her turning 13 specifically was the trigger. He was afraid of her father finding out. The thought never crossed my mind previously.

jmopinion

 

[Gemmie]

^^rsbm

For as many times as we heard the reference to MS leaving her mother's home, I don't think age 13 was ever considered here. Personally, I think JS convinced Maddie she could not legally leave until she attained age 18. JS wouldn't want to give up child support five years early. MOO

I was talking about what her father, Tyler Wallace had said, when he gave his impact statement at SS's trial yesterday.

"When I took her back to the airport I said, you know, you're turning 13 soon. When you turn 13 you have a choice of which guardian you're interested in staying with... would you like to stay with me and Tati (sp)? And she said yes, that she would. So I was just this close to having my little girl, sir. Um..." [tries his darndest not to break down]

 

[Notascreenname]

I was talking about what her father, Tyler Wallace had said, when he gave his impact statement at SS's trial yesterday.

"When I took her back to the airport I said, you know, you're turning 13 soon. When you turn 13 you have a choice of which guardian you're interested in staying with... would you like to stay with me and Tati (sp)? And she said yes, that she would. So I was just this close to having my little girl, sir. Um..." [tries his darndest not to break down]

That is just truly heartbreaking. To think how close she was to getting away from all of the abuse. The quiet hopes she would have had in her mind knowing that she had a way out of it, and soon.

 

[lonetraveler]

Looks like JS could at the very least be charged with child endangerment.

 

[Seattle1]

Exactly it just creates more speculation.
I heard in the Kohberger plea hearing that just because he waived the right to an appeal,doesnt mean he doesnt have the right to appeal ( is that accurate?)
This is what Im wondering, if the no contest plea was to implicate jenn and they now have the death penalty off the table is there more to come? or is this really over?
or
is it that they can prove the SA and him disposng her body but cant defintively prove he killed her??
Why the no contest plea deal?

This is correct, the defendant waiving his right to appeal in a plea agreement is not a guarantee on a U.S. Constitutional basis (Idaho v Garza 2019), but all this means is it's the Appellate Court's decision to reject a petition for reasons based in law-- including the contractual waiver, and not the authors/parties of the plea agreement.

IMO, there's long been sufficient evidence to convict SS of disposing of MS's body, but I think his defense was going for reasonable doubt that SS wasn't responsible for MS's death.

At trial, I envisioned SS claiming that JS would often kick both of them out of her room/bed at night because JS could not sleep with them in the bed (i.e., JS's reference to MS being like a monkey at night) and relied heavily on sleep medication at night to rest.

I think SS was going to claim that on her birthday, MS insisted the three of them sleep together, and SS awoke in the morning to find that drugged JS strangled MS in her sleep! His defense would likely rely on some form of SS giving in to JS's instructions to get rid of the evidence/body because he feared his own secrets of abusing MS would be discovered.

In other words, the defense was going to use JS's statements, admissions, and unreasonable parent behavior to come back and haunt her. MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I can’t grasp the selfishness of you, the deplorability of your actions,” the dead girl’s grieving father, Tyler Wallace, told his daughter’s killer through tears.

“You’re depraved, you’re weak, you’re a coward. It doesn’t heal with time.”​

Madeline Soto’s killer gets 21 life sentences for teen’s rape and murder: ‘You’re depraved’

“I can’t grasp the selfishness of you, the deplorability of your actions,” Madeline’s father Tyler Wallace told her killer.

nypost.com

 

[lightofmine99]

How on earth was he allowed to plead "no contest" to murder?

This isn't good enough justice. MOO.

 

[Gemmie]

How on earth was he allowed to plead "no contest" to murder?

This isn't good enough justice. MOO.

His no contest plea to the murder charge made me think that when he said "No contest", inside his head he appended "because I didn't start it". Cuz, you know, to him he's not guilty cuz "he didn't start it".

He's a real winner that one. </end sarcasm>

JMO

 

[mom2chloe]

If JS is not indicted, charged or found guilty is she able to write a book? She needs to be made an example of in my opinion. How many more mothers like her exist in our world? I fear she is not the only one and that scares the everything out of me.

 

[Wallendo]

At least this is all over.

I was dreading the trial(s). The sexual assault trial would involve multiple descriptions of the various ways Maddie was abused. Even the murder trial might require this evidence also since, without the sexual assault evidence, SS has no motive for the crime. Without a motive and direct evidence, the only safe prosecution would be abuse of a corpse.

 

[Trebor5591]

No contest.

Coward.

This was not a case for a late plea and absolutely not one for a 'no contest'.

DP all but guaranteed.

I assume no appeals, no reductions, no commuting...

But this feels like justice was sideswiped.

JMO

"Coward" is a word that might also apply to the DA or judge of whoever signed off on Stephan Sterns plea deal.

 

[arielilane]

Julie Grant does not mince words and always the advocate for victims. She is not afraid to speak up on behalf of the one's who no longer have a voice; and she is not afraid to voice her opinions. Love that about her!

 

[Wishbone]

Looks like JS could at the very least be charged with child endangerment.

A good place to start.


(e) “Neglect of a child” means:
1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child; or
2. A caregiver’s failure to make a reasonable effort to protect a child from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[Beekarina]

SS His statement to the court was disgusting. Why would the court enable him to make the comments he did about Maddie, couldn’t his statement be checked prior and rejected? Vile that an ABSR of children can be allowed to describe his victim as a joy to him. Out of order imo

RE:Vile that an ABSR of children can be allowed to describe his victim as a joy to him. Out of order imo

Oh HELL no.... So many levels beyond out of order. I'm rarely shocked being a member her. I'm shocked...and disgusted. FFS.

 

[Beekarina]

If JS is not indicted, charged or found guilty is she able to write a book? She needs to be made an example of in my opinion. How many more mothers like her exist in our world? I fear she is not the only one and that scares the everything out of me.

Hopefully if she does anything like this, the other parent sues her into oblivion.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Here's what I woke up thinking about Maddie living with her dad. He had said that he told her that at 13 she could decide which parent she wanted to live with and she said she wanted to live with him. When she turned THIRTEEN which was mere days before she was murdered. Which made me wonder... maybe SS's trigger wasn't that she was pregnant, like so many of us have considered, including myself. Maybe she told SS that she decided to move to TX to live with her father. His prey was leaving him and he snapped.

I have no idea what the trigger was. Pregnancy, moving away, telling him "No more", or something completely different. What I firmly believe though is that something triggered him. And out of all the lies he's said... the 1 thing I believe is true is that he misses Maddie. Well, sadly not Maddie for what she meant to her loved ones... her smile, her laughter, how smart she was, how talented and fun she was, etc... but what he misses is easy access to a young girl. And that is sick. He never cared about her, or her feelings. He only cared about him and HIS feeling.

@Gemmie, this is good point about choosing Dad.

Remember Mom & Dad saying on some of the podcasts that SS got a call from Maddie the weekend she died and it seemed he was really disturbed about something she said.

Only what I’m remembering. I know Hidden True Crime interviewed them and pretty sure the phone call came up. OMO.

 

[Gemmie]

@Gemmie, this is good point about choosing Dad.

Remember Mom & Dad saying on some of the podcasts that SS got a call from Maddie the weekend she died and it seemed he was really disturbed about something she said.

Only what I’m remembering. I know Hidden True Crime interviewed them and pretty sure the phone call came up. OMO.

You know what... that very could have been what that phone call was about that he was so upset about.

@ttjo - what dets do you remember about what his parents said about that call? I just remember his mother saying he was really upset. Do you remember anything more than that? TIA!

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I think that is what I found so infuriating. Because it was a no contest on the murder charges, IMO he shouldn't even have been allowed to speak on her death. He never claimed responsibility with a guilty charge so why SHOULD he be allowed to make a statement about it?

He blamed God (please take me instead) as if he himself was not directly responsible for her absence. Nope, not him, he begged God.

She was a joy, just reminds us all of his years of SAing her, we know the disgusting source of the joy she was groomed and coerced into bringing him.

He misses her? Yeah, same thing, he misses what he trained her to allow and put up with, a gross chore she didn't have the capacity to agree to or not.

It's not fair that she's not here anymore, as if he too has been victimized by her untimely passing.

I have nothing but sorrow for her loss, as if she died in a car wreck. He has nothing but sorrow. Not guilt. Not accountability. Just all this passive "sorrow"

He misses her all the time. Yes and we know why

her passing has torn me and my family apart as well, again so passive, as if she just passed away, in her sleep. Her dying has done something to him, not the other way round.

I will miss her all the time, yeah, we get it, we know what you are missing, your perfect built in captive victim.

I will never not honor her memory. Scary thought, HOW will he be honoring her memory, replaying memories of all those moments he caught on camera and probably watched frequently for his own enjoyment?

He apologizes for all the pain. At least he remembered the pain of others was in the room for a brief second he remembered it wasn't all abut him. But even here, he apologizes the pain exists but never admits he and he alone is the cause of all of it.

Had a thought: if he had all his CSA images in the cloud, are they still there?

Will he be able to access them if the prison assigns him a tablet? Or do they not get to keep their gmail or yahoo accounts (and have an inmate email something like [email protected])?

 

[Gemmie]

Had a thought: if he had all his CSA images in the cloud, are they still there?

Will he be able to access them if the prison assigns him a tablet? Or do they not get to keep their gmail or yahoo accounts (and have an inmate email something like [email protected])?

Wow! Great question!!! And LOL at your email example!!


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