Appologize guys -compiled from several long stores and some of it is in here twice, but did not want to go back and forth and delete etc!!
Paints a really interesting portrait.
Was Orlando gunman Omar Mateen driven by a love of Islamic State, or by a deep sense of self-loathing – possibly triggered by an awareness that he was gay?
IS will be acutely embarrassed if the emerging story of Mateen's homosexuality becomes the dominant narrative.
. "The men kissing each other that [his father says] offended him happened in Miami, not here; and it's a two-hour drive from his home in Fort Pierce to Orlando – why this town and this club?"
– some say that he was bullied, others that he was the bully.
troubled those around him – the teachers and the kids.
fifth grade was suspended for two weeks after he threatened to bring a weapon to school, to kill "everyone".".
made the outlandish claim that Osama bin Laden was his uncle – (pattern of making up stuff and lying started in childhood)
Mateen took classes in what was called a alternative school, a campus detached from the main school, which was for students with poor grades or behavioural issues.
. "In the courtyard in front of everyone, his dad slapped him right across the face."
: "He was cool. I used to see him at house parties ... he made people laugh ... he didn't talk about religion or politics. He must've changed a lot."
Justin Delancy is another who has warm memories of an overweight school kid who was bullied on a bus ride they shared for several years. "He was brutally bullied," Delancy says. "He was a chubby kid and got bullied about his weight."
Little has surfaced about the circumstances of Mateen's family. An imam in Fort Pierce believes that the father sold insurance;
Mateens as "an all-American family", Zaidi elaborates: "His mom worked for a while at a daycare centre. – none of the sisters or mom even wore a headscarf like some Muslims do.".
worked at a GNC store and King at a Ruby Tuesday restaurant. "Half the workers at the restaurant were openly gay,"
college friends, he was reaching out to gay men. Classmates concluded that Mateen was gay but was not open about it. ... felt sorry for the socially awkward Mateen, they had taken him to at least four gay clubs in the Treasure Coast and West Palm Beach region. "
bumper sticker on a silver Toyota Camry still parked outside the Woodland Condominium in Fort Pierce, where he lived in Unit 107, claims that he is a US Marine.
also did shifts at a local golf club and at the St Lucie County Courthouse complex.
, he would lash out angrily at blacks, women, lesbians and Jews.
He met Yusufiy online in 2009 – apparently she found his messages on the MySpace dating site to be alluring and funny. She also saw Mateen as the "perfect" resolution to a conflict with her family – he was sufficiently American
. He would get mad out of nowhere. That's when I started worrying about my safety."
Yusufiy observed what she later would describe as "gay tendencies" … I feel like it's a side of him or a part of him that he lived, but he probably didn't want everybody to know about."
asks if she knew Mateen used gay dating websites, she replies: "It seems likely."
Mateen's father suspected as much, describing a series of family rows during which Mateen's father accused him of being gay,
in 2012 he struck up a relationship with a woman named Noor Zahi Salman, whose Palestinian parents reportedly came to the US and settled in the greater San Francisco area in the 1970s.
Salman, now aged 30, was living in Chicago
Pulse, a gay and Latino hangout that had thrived as a popular LGBT hangout in Orlando for more than 20 years –
a Pulse regular who recalls that friends called him away from the bar where he had spent an evening chatting with Mateen, because they worried that Mateen was "strange".
"He was trying to pick up people. Men. He was a homosexual and he was trying to pick up men.
. Former Navy serviceman Kevin West, 37, said Mateen messaged him via Jack'd over a period of years, most recently a few months before the Sunday attack, when Mateen told him that he was in Orlando and wanted to catch up for a drink.
Mateen had also messaged 23-year-old Cord Cedeno, "He was open with his picture on the sites … I recognised him off Grindr."
, Mateen's isolation and anger troubled many who made contact with him.
At the Islamic Centre in Fort Pierce, the imam tells a reporter: "He will come the last minute; he will leave the first minute. He will finish his prayer, and he will just leave … We would not see friends around him."
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In the Port St Lucie residential community where he manned a gatehouse, Mateen made people feel uncomfortable. ...."He asked me for my ID, and when he gives it back he just holds onto it … and he's clinging to it, and breathing weird and smiling at me with this crazed stare."
: "There was something different about him. He didn't even give a flicker. He had a blank face, a poker face. He had that look ... It was almost like there was a shell around him."
Former G4S colleague "I complained multiple times that he was dangerous, that he didn't like blacks, women, lesbians and Jews,"
, just angry at the world."
Gilroy said he quit in 2015 when Mateen began harassing him,
G4S co-workers who heard Mateen claim he had links to foreign terrorists and that he hoped the FBI would raid his family home so that he might die as a martyr, the FBI put Mateen on its terrorist watch list for almost a year.
that an undercover informant had made contact with Mateen, wiretapping their conversations and investigating his personal and financial records. Brought in twice Mateen claimed to have spoken "in anger" because his colleagues had ridiculed his Muslim background.
But what Mateen was accused of saying didn't make sense – he claimed a family connection with al-Qaeda; and at the same time, that he was a member of Hezbollah. One is Sunni and the other is Shiite – and they are bitter enemies in the Syrian war.
Intelligence officials in Saudi Arabia were enlisted to investigate Mateen's pilgrimages to the holy city of Mecca,
nothing "derogatory" was found,
Mateen's name came back on to the FBI radar in July 2014, ... Florida man who had travelled to Syria and carried out a suicide bombing revealed that he had attended the Fort Pierce mosque and known Mateen "casually",
who was four years behind Mateen at Indian River State College and whose home was close to Mateen's.
no reason was found to pursue the investigation.
end of 2015 – there are reports that in December his second wife had moved out and was staying with relatives in California. But it seems she returned.
. The dates of Mateen's recorded movements overlap with Orlando's calendar of gay pride events,
Glock 9mm handgun, which he purchased from a gun range and stored about 25 kilometres from his Fort Pierce home.
Orlando police chief John Mina says that most of the victims were shot in the first stages of the three-hour massacre drama
made various claims of allegiance – to IS, to the Boston Marathon bombers – and misled them into a belief that he had planted explosives
A neighbour describes him as rude and sullen,
.... he manned a gatehouse, Mateen made people feel uncomfortable. ... resident Jasmine Kalenuik​ says: "He asked me for my ID, and when he gives it back he just holds onto it … and he's clinging to it, and breathing weird and smiling at me with this crazed stare."
Kalenuik's husband, Jerome, also found Mateen unnerving: "There was something different about him. He didn't even give a flicker. He had a blank face, a poker face. He had that look ... It was almost like there was a shell around him."
Former G4S colleague and ex-local cop Daniel Gilroy, 44, complained that Mateen was "unhinged and unstable" – . "I complained multiple times that he was dangerous, that he didn't like blacks, women, lesbians and Jews,"
Once when an African-American man had driven past, Mateen used the N-word in expressing a wish that he could kill all black people, Gilroy says. "He was always angry, swearing, just angry at the world."
Gilroy said he quit in 2015 when Mateen began harassing him, sending as many as 20 to 30 text messages a day and leaving him as many as a dozen phone messages.
...... co-workers who heard Mateen claim he had links to foreign terrorists and that he hoped the FBI would raid his family home so that he might die as a martyr, the FBI put Mateen on its terrorist watch list for almost a year.
...t an undercover informant had made contact with Mateen, wiretapping their conversations and investigating his personal and financial records.
Brought in twice for FBI interviews, Mateen claimed to have spoken "in anger" because his colleagues had ridiculed his Muslim background.
But what Mateen was accused of saying didn't make sense – he claimed a family connection with al-Qaeda; and at the same time, that he was a member of Hezbollah. One is Sunni and the other is Shiite – and they are bitter enemies in the Syrian war.
Intelligence officials in Saudi Arabia were enlisted to investigate Mateen's pilgrimages to the holy city of Mecca, for a total of 18 days in 2011 and 2012, but when nothing "derogatory" was found, Mateen's name was deleted from the watch list.
July 2014, when an investigation into the activities of a Florida man who had travelled to Syria and carried out a suicide bombing revealed that he had attended the Fort Pierce mosque and known Mateen "casually",
The man was ... was four years behind Mateen at Indian River State College and whose home was close to Mateen's.
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end of 2015 – in December his second wife had moved out and was staying with relatives in California. But it seems she returned.
Glock 9mm handgun, which he purchased from a gun range and stored about 25 kilometres from his Fort Pierce home.
...........Orlando police chief John Mina says that most of the victims were shot in the first stages of the three-hour massacre drama
when Mateen engaged officers in a series of phone conversations, he was utterly "cool and calm" as he made various claims of allegiance – to IS, to the Boston Marathon bombers –
"He said, 'Please don't text'. That was the words he used."
...........Mateen took their phones ......threatening a greater loss of life if the police stormed the building.
h Mateen fiddled with his weapons and used the sink and a hand drier......
... times Mateen checked the bodies around him,........ t he felt himself being poked.
. "He laughed like an evil laugh, something that's just going to be imprinted in my head forever." It was, he said, "a laugh of like, 'Ha, I did it'."
Seddique, dismissed his son's pledge of loyalty to IS as nonsense: "I think he just wanted to boast of himself. No radicalism, no.
He doesn't have a beard even ... I don't think religion or Islam had anything to do with this."
Questions of Mateen's motivation are being greatly magnified in the contest for control of America's presidential election campaign.
This country has a long history of senseless massacres, that have nothing to do with a more contemporary intrusion of radical Islamist ideology.
, it matters hugely that Americans understand what motivated a man who has so chillingly revealed himself as anything but what his seemingly eccentric father called him – "a good boy"
Man, if I were to write a novel about a severely mental troubled man, who wanted the world to think he was a bad terrorist I could not have fleshed out a better character!
This dude was so sick he could not be a radicalized terrorist if solely for the severity of his mental problems imo.
From the beginning we have a moody impulsive, angry child with no capacity to behave in normative manner. We have issues with authority figures. We have being ridiculed, he was fat. He socially from the beginning never fit in anywhere.
Early on he was placed in s setting who attends to mentally ill children. He did not navigate that placement well either.
Huge family dysfunction. Repeated failure in life, from onset. School performance, failing career tests.
As he grew up he became ostracized and began behaving in more peculiar ways, both socially and emotionally. He made many other people around him uneasy.
At times complete out of touch with reality - Osama Bin Laden is his uncle. He knows the Boston Bombers. His family are raging terrorists. He was good friends with some suicide bomber (they lived near each other)
His deeply conflated feelings about religion in general (quite common in gay world, after all it basically says all of us are going to hell). He soothed his inner angst by doing drive through visits to his mosques. He made no friends in that setting.
Probably wanted nothing to do them - they dispose who he knows he is.
As an adult, in every single work place setting he had problems with co workers.He spouted off inappropriate statements, and physically behaved in ways that created in anxiety in others.
Hi lacked interpersonal skills, since childhood, with anyone encountered.
He could not maintain (gay or hetro) intimate relationships.
He was fat - horrible for a child. His father humiliating him in front of peers.
Has addictive issues . Steroid just in and of themselves are proven to exaggerate the problems he inherently had since birth.
He struggled with deep internal conflicts, lived execrating shame, guilt, self hate.
Since birth he was a ticking time bomb. Throughout his life he displayed a complete inability to manage feelings of frustration and anger, without totally losing control of himself .
Have pondered severe brain injury early or victim of sexual abuse. We know his father emotionally abused him since birth.
He has many of those compensatory little big man notions - who he knows, how bad a## he is.
It is IMO, so congruent that in the end he wanted to go "out" , almost delusional -as a famed terrorist (in and of itself a distorted claim to fame.
IMO, the dude did not eve have the ability, consistencey, focus, to be a radicalized terrorist committing jihad................way to sick, and disturbed
Simply pathalogical.........
moo
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make SIXTEEN phone calls during a lull in the shooting.
