FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

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Wow is right. That interview is going to bring him a LOT of new followers.

Fact is, while we may not like some of his positions, he is smart and well spoken.

What is his ethnic background? and kinda funny at times yeah but well spoken.
 
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I am certainly not saying (I do not think this is the case - I think it has been dostorted moo) but remembering that all over the world woman who are being victimized by a partner, do do things in order to protect theselves.

She has child. From her world view in the moments I think she engaged inprotective mode. Any one who has been in that dynamic know calling the police results in nothing. The get a restraining order, (most batterers kill after this event).

Many woman and med who are controlled by a partner are afaid of them. The do effectivly control them.

Ths dude is a pathological lier. Ok she calls the FBI and says he is buying guns/ bullets. The FBI rushes over there. He has not broken any laws. SHe knows this.

THey have no reason to do anything, but give her their card, and tell her to call them, and leave. Now her and her child are alone, with him.

When asked what he is doing buying guns, he tells them he is liscenced to have own buy use guns. What can they do its not a crime.

So the notion that if she called anyone outcome would be different. Recall Elliot, mom called,they came, they talked, they left, and he went on his shooting spree.

Holmes Batman, his Dr notified LE , on more than one occassion. Seh convened the universities committee. The met. They threw him out of the school and he went to the Dark Knight.

Adam Lanza mom tried repeatildly (the guns in the house flat out stupid IMO) to get him help.

I think it is unconsious, for folks to beleive that IF X as a society we could have control and prevent events like this.

We are powerless.

Thus far they have not found this mass of stuff regfarding terrorism. he would have lied to them , they left, and before he left he proabably would have shot his kid,her, and hit the road for PUlse.

The have to be a whole host of reasons that we are unaware of that she has just not flat out been arrested.

The grandjury is nothing is but a politcal game. Its a way for authority figures to avoid public scrutinty, while making the public calm. They also know the media will go away shortly - the grand jury takes time......

This is the worst mass shooting in the nation. I think, that if these LE knew that she really particpated in this she would be in handcuffs.

moo
 
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IMO, again media spinning the gun story angle. Why would the store manager , who claims to have contacted LE (cya?) why refuse to say what agency you call.

" I called authorites'

"Who did you call?"

"I am not telling you"

come on!!

EIther Le told him to say anything to cover their ZZZ, or its a fabrication to move liability around.

If I am coming forward and telling media I called Le, unless something is going on there should be no reason for me not to say On June x I called and spoke with Officer bla bal moo
 
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What is his ethnic background? and kinda funny at times yeah but well spoken.

I believe he is African-American, born in New York? He is also a former marine and has served prison time. Prosecutors (?) warned that if he gets out of prison he will inspire others to commit acts of violence.
 
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I believe he is African-American, born in New York? He is also a former marine and has served prison time. Prosecutors (?) warned that if he gets out of prison he will inspire others to commit acts of violence.


Born in Brooklyn is what I'm finding.
 
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This is the worst mass shooting in the nation. I think, that if these LE knew that she really particpated in this she would be in handcuffs.

moo

Do you remember how long it took to arrest the San Bernardino couple's friend? I think it took awhile so IMO there's still a chance she'll be charged and arrested.
 
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First funerals on wtae.com news shown briefly for a few victims. President + Biden. In Orlando now.
 
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Marcus Robertson, AKA Imam Abu Taubah.

“As a Muslim I object to Hillary Clinton,” he said. “I don’t believe a woman should be the president of a nation. As our prophet … taught us, whenever a woman is in charge there’s going to be problems. What if she’s on her menses and it’s time to go to war, is she going to press the button because she’s angry?
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[video=youtube;QrKyI7rOl68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKyI7rOl68[/video]



Wow, just wow.

All us women should get together...two words....menstrual synchrony.....then we all go pay him a visit :devil::devil::freakedout::freakedout::slapfight:

[couldn't help myself...meant in jest of course...his views are just too ridiculous to take seriously]
 
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Funny thought

in refelcting on this "new" news gun store.

Again I think media is making facts make it more views.

According to reports

He spoke on his cell phone not in Englsih ( down there Spanish is becoming the main language)

He texted. (Oh no a terrorist!!

What made me chuckle is I thought i fI went in a gun store they would call the FBI on be me becasue I was NOT texting!

Like texting in 2016 is a flag of some sort.

IMO the reality is it was how he was behaving face to face that casued alarm. Behaving like a mentally ill person.

Remember when Holmes attempted to get gun training and that store owner went as far as indivually directing staff that if he ever showed up at his location to call him or LE instantly.

Homes had nothing to do with ISIS! Holmes, however is mentally ill. Same thing with the other store (I think Bass) where afterwards staff who sold him the gun said yeh , we was really weird, we knew something was really wrong.

cell phone call + texting does not = ahhh terrorist

cell phone call + texting + pacing+sounding agiated+appearing anxious= Maybe I ought not to proceed with this character

moo
 
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[h=1]Jack'd app says it has no record of Mateen[/h]
The CEO of Jack'd, a Tinder-like gay chat and dating app, says he hasn't been contacted by law enforcement since reports surfaced late Monday Orlando shooter Omar Mateen might have been using the app for at least a year.

The service also hasn't been able to substantiate Mateen had been a member, said Hector Camacho, CEO of Jack'd parent company Online Buddies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/06/14/what-jackd/85862874/

This is interesting. If the FBI had found evidence he had used this app, they most definitely would have contacted the CEO by now. I can't help thinking some of these reported interactions with Mateen may be mistaken identity.....
 
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IMO, again media spinning the gun story angle. Why would the store manager , who claims to have contacted LE (cya?) why refuse to say what agency you call.

Which store? The one that sold him the rifle/handgun or the one that refused to sell him ammo?

The second store had no reason to CYA, they refused the sale.

Gun stores often have a lot of cop customers that they know well, they probably don't want to drop names and say "Yeah, I told Sgt. John Smith that the guy could be a psycho terrorist" and then Sgt. Smith and his department get blamed by the press for not preventing this massacre. The store almost certainly called a cop that they knew unless there is a procedure that says contact the FBI.
 
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Funny thought

in refelcting on this "new" news gun store.

Again I think media is making facts make it more views.

According to reports

He spoke on his cell phone not in Englsih ( down there Spanish is becoming the main language)

He texted. (Oh no a terrorist!!

What made me chuckle is I thought i fI went in a gun store they would call the FBI on be me becasue I was NOT texting!

Like texting in 2016 is a flag of some sort.

IMO the reality is it was how he was behaving face to face that casued alarm. Behaving like a mentally ill person.

Remember when Holmes attempted to get gun training and that store owner went as far as indivually directing staff that if he ever showed up at his location to call him or LE instantly.

Homes had nothing to do with ISIS! Holmes, however is mentally ill. Same thing with the other store (I think Bass) where afterwards staff who sold him the gun said yeh , we was really weird, we knew something was really wrong.

cell phone call + texting does not = ahhh terrorist

cell phone call + texting + pacing+sounding agiated+appearing anxious= Maybe I ought not to proceed with this character

moo

It's weird that gun stores aren't in touch with each other to say "I refused to sell this guy a gun. I suspect he's a terrorist" but maybe there are too many gun stores to do that. If he was refused it really seems to me the message should have gone out and everyone refused him, especially because he passed the background check. It should be like when you're refused at the border and the other crossings get your plate number. Could they use his driver's license?

I wonder if any of the owners actually called anyone too.

I don't know. The owner said if he hadn't sold him the weapons someone else would have.
 
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It's weird that gun stores aren't in touch with each other to say "I refused to sell this guy a gun. I suspect he's a terrorist" but maybe there are too many gun stores to do that.

There are probably way too many especially in an area like Orlando. There are gun shops, pawn shops, Walmarts, sporting good stores etc...

I bet the store was also suspicious about a walk in buyer wanting bulk ammo. Gun store ammo is pricey, regular gun afficiandos that want to buy in bulk typically go to Walmart or use the interwebs to find a good price. If the guy seemed like a novice (he didn't even own any weapons yet) then that would raise big red flags.
 
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Ed Henson, a former NYPD officer, is the owner of the St. Lucie Shooting Center.

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Florida-gun-store-owner-who-sold-guns-to-Omar-8107366.php

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MCX rifles are legal to purchase and possess in Florida -- as long as they are in semi-automatic mode -- without a waiting period, security analyst and former ATF special agent Matthew Horace told Crimesider. The purchaser must pass a background check.

The assault-style rifle fires one round per trigger pull, but is capable of firing hundreds of rounds within minutes, Horace said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sho...-shooter-omar-mateen-passed-background-check/

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Mateen requested a heavy-duty type of body armor that is typically used by law enforcement, said Robbie Abell, co-owner of Lotus Gunworks of South Florida.


The store doesn’t carry any armor. However, it does carry bulk ammunition.

Because of his staff’s concerns about Mateen, Mr. Abell said the store “shut him down on all sales.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/orlando-shooter-turned-away-from-gun-store-owner-says-1466024932
 
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