FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, brutally murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #2

[GeeEm]

Did anyone see the WH interview with Dr. Drew?

No, I turned it off, had seen enough of WH for the day, but the transcripts should be out in a few days Jax

Thanks ~

 

[CARIIS]

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[jjenny]

Denial, it isn't just a river in Egypt.

"MARTIN COUNTY — Wade Harrouff told Dr. Phil McGraw in a television interview he believes his son, Austin Harrouff, was poisoned, leading him to kill a Martin County couple on Aug. 15, and be held in intensive care at St. Mary’s Medical Center in West Palm Beach ever since."

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...slayings-says-believes-son-poisoned/89985592/

 

[Curious Me]

AH is hours away from killing people and he's acting strange to everybody in his family, but apparently the concern is still a semi-mild concern. Everyone is having these little talks with him , or lecturing him, asking him what's wrong with him, and telling him to shape up just hours before he goes berserk on these strangers and kills them.

It reminds me of some tragic movie or play where you watch it progress to the sad ending. Everybody involved thinks their little talk with him is going to straighten him up.

He's acting up, talking strange, he's too quiet and serious, he's not sleeping, he's pacing and acting restless, he's guzzling oil, losing weight lately, and something is wrong and everyone notices it, but for some reason they think all he needs is a little talk.

He must have been feeling incredible distress to say, "I've lost my mind. Help me find it". What's sad is nobody takes him to a doctor in those months or in those two weeks of him acting extremely strange so they say now. All he gets is a long walk, another little talk, and let's go to have a nice dinner at a restaurant.

All just my own observations and bewilderment.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

This is fresh today from the Palm Beach Post where WH says AH is 'unresponsive':

Austin Harrouff, accused of stabbing a Martin County couple to death and biting the male victim, is “rapidly deteriorating” and has a severe case of pneumonia, according to his father.

“My son is not doing well. He can open his eyes. He can raise his finger. He can squeeze my hand. He can’t talk. He is unresponsive,” Wade Harrouff told The Palm Beach Post on Wednesday after his interview with Dr. Phil was shown on national television.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-caused-son-/nsSwH/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
It's been almost a month and I'm not seeing anything showing that he's still got a good IQ and depending on what's up, his IQ might be slowly slipping away each day.

 

[glf]

You quoted my post &with your response. I just wanted to clear up anything that may have been misunderstood. If I took your post wrong, I apologize. I was sincerely trying to clear up anything I said that was taken wrong. I have read all of the posts in each thread. I normally just read & don't post..I will go back to that. Sorry for any confusion.

No, we want you to post!

 

[jjenny]

This is fresh today from the Palm Beach Post where WH says AH is 'unresponsive':

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-caused-son-/nsSwH/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
It's been almost a month and I'm not seeing anything showing that he's still got a good IQ and depending on what's up, his IQ might be slowly slipping away each day.

It has been reported before that whatever substance he took caused damage to his lungs and liver-presumably lung damage is why he has pneumonia.

 

[glf]

If he is responding to a hand squeeze that's RESPONDING! When Davy was losing kidney function, he wasn't opening his eyes or talking, but Kelly said when she would hold his hand he would rub the back of her hand with his thumb, which was something he had always done. So he was aware and responsive right up til the day before he died. DR's don't always consider things like that.

 

[GeeEm]

You quoted my post & with your response. I just wanted to clear up anything that may have been misunderstood. If I took your post wrong, I apologize. I was sincerely trying to clear up anything I said that was taken wrong. I have read all of the posts in each thread. I normally just read & don't post..I will go back to that. Sorry for any confusion. RBBM

Apology accepted Wifey13

RBBM

I was only posting, actually to myself, with my own thoughts, wasn't directed to anyone, that is why I couldn't figure out what you meant?

Anyways, you stated you were "afraid to voice your opinion" why? l Don't feel that way, I am familiar with most of the posters and they are super nice and very respectful

We can all agree to disagree, but my original post wasn't about agreeing to disagree, confusion all cleared :laughing:

Thanks ~

jmo :moo:

RBBM

No, we want you to post!

See? We really do want you to post with all of us!

Thanks ~

 

[GeeEm]

If he is responding to a hand squeeze that's RESPONDING! When Davy was losing kidney function, he wasn't opening his eyes or talking, but Kelly said when she would hold his hand he would rub the back of her hand with his thumb, which was something he had always done. So he was aware and responsive right up til the day before he died. DR's don't always consider things like that.

Hi ya glf

And don't forget he has been nodding and smiling, so that is RESPONDING also hwow::sheesh:

Thanks ~


jmo :moo:

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

With all do respect to the victims, I'm not yet willing to believe in the randomness of this event. Rip me to shreds for saying that if you will, but that's my hunch. And that's not to say the victims brought this on or deserved it in ANY way. I just think that something connects these people.


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[JoCoKSEyes]

The mother's 911 call. IMO, she's protecting herself from something. Something was set in motion. Something she didn't yet know the severity of. She told the police her son was acting crazy and carrying a switchblade. She wanted him apprehended.


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[Flatbush]

With all do respect to the victims, I'm not yet willing to believe in the randomness of this event. Rip me to shreds for saying that if you will, but that's my hunch. And that's not to say the victims brought this on or deserved it in ANY way. I just think that something connects these people.


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Yes something sure took him to their garage. Maybe he wanted more to drink....! We don't know what he may have drank in their garage. Not sure if attacks were sudden...he may have asked for gasoline or something. Maybe they gave it to him, we will never know.
This is all so very sad, and confusing. It doesn't sound like steroid withdrawal per previous post.
I am inclined to say I don't think what he drank that day did it, although I am sure he sure did not feel good. I would buy mental illness BUT if that were the issue...would there be such tremendous strength?
Resistance to stun guns...and dog bites?
I am thinking he may have been on street drugs and got some real nasty stuff.

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[Curious Me]

Denial, it isn't just a river in Egypt.

"MARTIN COUNTY — Wade Harrouff told Dr. Phil McGraw in a television interview he believes his son, Austin Harrouff, was poisoned, leading him to kill a Martin County couple on Aug. 15, and be held in intensive care at St. Mary’s Medical Center in West Palm Beach ever since."

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...slayings-says-believes-son-poisoned/89985592/

His father almost makes it sound like AH got a ride to the couple's garage and on the way somebody poisoned him. Or maybe it was that grated cheese in the oil. The sad truth is no one poisoned Austin, but he did drink something caustic, and unfortunately kill people. The MYSTERY is WHY. I guess it's possible he might have taken some drug, or been experiencing roid rage, to make him turn into an unstoppable maniac. Why he himself drank something caustic is beyond understanding for his family and for all of us at this time. I do hope the parents get some answers they will accept and that their son survives.

“He had an inflamed esophagus and stomach, his metabolites were out of whack and he almost died,” Wade Harrouff said. “The biggest question is where did the poisoning come from? How did he get poisoned?”

The “Dr. Phil” episode, which was taped in August, aired Wednesday on CBS.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...slayings-says-believes-son-poisoned/89985592/

 

[CARIIS]

His father almost makes it sound like AH got a ride to the couple's garage and on the way somebody poisoned him. Or maybe it was that grated cheese in the oil. The sad truth is no one poisoned Austin, but he did drink something caustic, and unfortunately kill people. The MYSTERY is WHY. I guess it's possible he might have taken some drug, or been experiencing roid rage, to make him turn into an unstoppable maniac. Why he himself drank something caustic is beyond understanding for his family and for all of us at this time. I do hope the parents get some answers they will accept and that their son survives.

Hi Curious

I agree I found the poisen angle off as well.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi ya glf

And don't forget he has been nodding and smiling, so that is RESPONDING also hwow::sheesh:

Thanks ~


jmo :moo:

Hhi! I wish we could have a more desriptive statement about what is going on. How sedated is he? How often is he out of it? His eyes moving normally? are his vitals stable? Are they giving him medications for stuff other than throat ? Anti psycotics now?Why did they not charcol or pump stomach - or did they (that would IMO indicate they instantly suspected introduction of casutic into him system) that came out a day or two later?

RBBM



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Yep! Go for it! Never uinderstood lurking - got way to big a mouth on my end ha!

 

[CARIIS]

With all do respect to the victims, I'm not yet willing to believe in the randomness of this event. Rip me to shreds for saying that if you will, but that's my hunch. And that's not to say the victims brought this on or deserved it in ANY way. I just think that something connects these people.


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No want to rip anyone to shreds- what are thinking/mean specifically. Its been a "none ripping to shreds" thread! There have been some (!) but this one has remained desperate attempt to process what in earth happened- its not like he had a criminal record of assualt attempted murder etc!

Hi ya glf

And don't forget he has been nodding and smiling, so that is RESPONDING also hwow::sheesh:

Thanks ~


jmo :moo:

Hhi!

I wish we could have a more desriptive statement about what is going on. How sedated is he? How often is he out of it? His eyes moving normally? are his vitals stable? Are they giving him medications for stuff other than throat ? Anti psycotics now?Why did they not charcol or pump stomach - or did they (that would IMO indicate they instantly suspected introduction of casutic into him system) that came out a day or two later? Is the tube still in? I woudl think a legel releative will would have been able to sign Hippa weeks ago - considering his status for the first 11 days.

 

[Curious Me]

I agree that this has been a "non ripping to shreds thread. Lots of intelligent concerned sleuths, and a few experts on bugs too. :smile:

..................no, I haven't seen that bug since......what am I doing up so late?........fftobed:

 

[CARIIS]

AH is hours away from killing people and he's acting strange to everybody in his family, but apparently the concern is still a semi-mild concern. Everyone is having these little talks with him , or lecturing him, asking him what's wrong with him, and telling him to shape up just hours before he goes berserk on these strangers and kills them.

It reminds me of some tragic movie or play where you watch it progress to the sad ending. Everybody involved thinks their little talk with him is going to straighten him up.

He's acting up, talking strange, he's too quiet and serious, he's not sleeping, he's pacing and acting restless, he's guzzling oil, losing weight lately, and something is wrong and everyone notices it, but for some reason they think all he needs is a little talk.

He must have been feeling incredible distress to say, "I've lost my mind. Help me find it". What's sad is nobody takes him to a doctor in those months or in those two weeks of him acting extremely strange so they say now. All he gets is a long walk, another little talk, and let's go to have a nice dinner at a restaurant.

All just my own observations and bewilderment.

So much could "cleared up" if we could get an accurate report of where he was living the last 5 months. Intial stories made it sound as if he was only back for two weeks, but as time goes by that has gotten blurred.

Had been in "town" around his family since last semester? That would be longer than two weeks and places a shadow on them not getting help? If he had stayed in Tall UNTIL two weeks ago as some level that would explain that they had not realized the severity of what was going on.

Anyone have a consise notion of these questions?

Denial, it isn't just a river in Egypt.

"MARTIN COUNTY — Wade Harrouff told Dr. Phil McGraw in a television interview he believes his son, Austin Harrouff, was poisoned, leading him to kill a Martin County couple on Aug. 15, and be held in intensive care at St. Mary’s Medical Center in West Palm Beach ever since."

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...slayings-says-believes-son-poisoned/89985592/

I did not really get the sense that he was saying he was poisened, it struck me as he was pondering how and why poisen got into his sons body. I did not here him ask who poisned my son and why did they do that?

I never got the sense that we implying someone water boarded with a casutic substance on the street!! He could have taken something out of moms garage- moo

 

[ohreally]

I have been trying To figure out why he would drink oil. Online I have found that some body builders will inject synthol directly into their muscles. Synthol is an oil and alcohol based injection to give the appearance of enlarged muscles, but does not actually add more muscle. It can have cause a psychological dependence, and can be bought online. I wonder if he was trying to stop or ran out of synthol. Could he of had a psychological need for synthol and drinking oil was as close as he could get st the time? Also could whatever he drank during the attack of had an oil base to it.
I know next to nothing about synthol other than the little bit of reading I have been doing online. Is this theory possible or way out there?
I also thought it was interesting in my reading that suddenly stopping steroids can cause a person to go into depression for up to a year after stopping, and stress can bring on that depression. So he could of stopped the steroids five months before and still be effected. His dad makes it sound like he may of been depressed the two weeks before.
Just some thoughts of what could of been going on.