FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[Jazzmaster]

In other words how difficult it is to know the answer of the equation when you are the one filling in the unknowns?

Well the same goes when someone assumes that Dale is innocent. Unlike a court of law the court of public opinion rules in society. Just because someone never gets tried or gets a "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean they avoid public damnation. Just ask Casey Anthony. IMO she and Dale share a lot of the same characteristics. If I were playing matchmaker..well just saying!

But the truth remains many times killers get away with killing simply because they have become well equipped and prepared on how to get rid of key evidence. A simple google search and enough research like Dale Sr was doing on the Powell case may provide enough ideas and strategy to pull off the perfect crime. For Dale practice makes perfect! He has had a life of criminal behavior, knows the system inside and out, and IMO has worked all the angles thus far to his advantage.

 

[Thor]

Well we know YS has said she has seen the children 3 times in 6 months. I am not sure if the time Dale drove the kids to her house and immediately left is one of those times. We know they had an agreement for liberal visitations and that the agreement has not been held up by Dale. Where I come from a person's word is his honor. Does Dale's word not mean anything?

Additionally...I have not seen any reports of the children seeing GP and BP at all...Based solely on my impression on how they feel about Dale and Dale's nature it wouldn't surprise me if he has not allowed the twinners to see them since Michelle disappeared. If you have a link that they have seen the children please correct me. If they haven't been allowed to see the children then that's just plain wrong! I doubt there is any story or reason Dale would change the liberal visitation agreement other than he just wants to be "in control".

IMO We are going in circles here, these are not facts just opinions and they go like this in this case:

If it is true that Dale does not allow enough visitation rights to BP and YS then Dale is selfish or bad or whatever ... you name it.

So OK another if and then, not knowing all that actually transpired in a visitation issues, not taking into accounts what one doesn't know about this dispute, taking verbatim one side account only and then arriving to an opinion where Dale is of course the "bad" guy.

 

[katydid23]

We are going in circles here, these are not facts just opinions and they go like this in this case:

If it is true that Dale does not allow enough visitation rights to BP and YS then Dale is selfish or bad or whatever ... you name it.

So OK another if and then, not knowing all that actually transpired in a visitation issues, not taking into accounts what one doesn't know about this dispute, taking verbatim one side account only and then arriving to an opinion where Dale is of course the "bad" guy.

It is just plain common sense. Those 2 kids lived in a home, their entire lives,with their mom, their big brother and their grandmother. That is what they knew. One afternoon they went for a SHORT visit with their father, and mom went missing, and they never returned to their old room, their big brother or their grandmother. That is DEVASTATING for their emotional health.

 

[Thor]

Well the same goes when someone assumes that Dale is innocent. Unlike a court of law the court of public opinion rules in society. Just because someone never gets tried or gets a "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean they avoid public damnation. Just ask Casey Anthony. IMO she and Dale share a lot of the same characteristics. If I were playing matchmaker..well just saying!

But the truth remains many times killers get away with killing simply because they have become well equipped and prepared on how to get rid of key evidence. A simple google search and enough research like Dale Sr was doing on the Powell case may provide enough ideas and strategy to pull off the perfect crime. For Dale practice makes perfect! He has had a life of criminal behavior, knows the system inside and out, and IMO has worked all the angles thus far to his advantage.

No one should ever be required to prove their own innocence or hope for people to assume them innocent, in any settings. Public opinion makes no difference to Dale unless the issue is to find 12 impartial jurors, Public opinion (of some sort at least) of Dale is an end onto itself in this case, it contributes nothing to finding the answers to the real crucial question "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it" IMO

 

[katydid23]

No one should ever be required to prove their own innocence or hope for people to assume them innocent, in any settings. Public opinion makes no difference to Dale unless the issue is to find 12 impartial jurors, Public opinion (of some sort at least) of Dale is an end onto itself in this case, it contributes nothing to finding the answers to the real crucial question "what happened to Michelle Parker" and "who is responsible for it"

I think the question "what happened to Michelle Parker" can best be answered by Dale and Dale.

And the only reason that someone may feel pressured to ' prove their innocence' is that there are sometimes circumstances that may make someone seem guilty. Like being in a custody battle with an ex and having them go missing from your condo.

 

[Thor]

It is just plain common sense. Those 2 kids lived in a home, their entire lives,with their mom, their big brother and their grandmother. That is what they knew. One afternoon they went for a SHORT visit with their father, and mom went missing, and they never returned to their old room, their big brother or their grandmother. That is DEVASTATING for their emotional health.

I do not see the point here. I agree with you that it must be devastating to the kids but what is the connection to my point?

 

[Thor]

I think the question "what happened to Michelle Parker" can best be answered by Dale and Dale.

And the only reason that someone may feel pressured to ' prove their innocence' is that there are sometimes circumstances that may make someone seem guilty. Like being in a custody battle with an ex and having them go missing from your condo.

No I really mean it, no one should be required to prove their innocence regardless of what you or me or anyone else "thinks" and fortunately no one is. And the "no one is" part is not an opinion is a fact.

 

[katydid23]

I do not see the point here. I agree with you that it must be devastating to the kids but what is the connection to my point?

Here is the connection to your point:

You said :
If it is true that Dale does not allow enough visitation rights to BP and YS then Dale is selfish or bad or whatever ... you name it.



And I described the twins situation and expressed how devastating it is for them emotionally, BECAUSE DALE IS KEEPING THEM FROM THEIR GRANDMA, AUNT and BIG BROTHER.

So my point is that YES, Dale is 'bad' because he is being spiteful and irreparably harming his children in the process.

He should be putting their emotional and mental health above everything else. They miss their mother terribly, and surely their aunt and grandmother would be the very best antidote.

 

[telemag]

Hey they are just a couple of young kids. I doubt they really understand what it means when they hear things like your daddy killed your mommy or do they?

 

[katydid23]

Hey they are just a couple of young kids. I doubt they really understand what it means when they hear things like your daddy killed your mommy or do they?

Of course they do. They are four now I believe. They get it.

 

[telemag]

Of course they do. They are four now I believe. They get it.

Then maybe that's why Dale doesn't want them around people who have accused him?

 

[Thor]

Of course they do. They are four now I believe. They get it.

I hope they don't get the part where Daddy kills mommy because some people happen to think so or because they read it somewhere or saw it on TV. It's hard enough to having lost their mother ... I think Dale should take them out of this environment at least temporarily.

 

[telemag]

IMO Who would not want their children to be around people who say you are a murderer? If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

And some people have to wonder why? Seriously?

 

[Thor]

Then maybe that's why Dale doesn't want them around people who have accused him?

IMO Agreed ... who would not want their children to be around people who say you are a murderer? If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

 

[Thor]

And some people have to wonder why? Seriously?

Agreed again.

 

[Lark2]

I hope they don't get the part where Daddy kills mommy because some people happen to think so or because they read it somewhere or saw it on TV. It's hard enough to having lost their mother ... I think Dale should take them out of this environment at least temporarily.

He can take them out of their envirnment temporarily but that's all it will be is a temporary fix. In other words, he can run but he can't hide. Just like OJ, his kids will someday know the truth, not the truth as Dale would have them know it, but the truth as it is.

Sure, there are a few scattered people and stalwart friends who believe Dale's story, and a few contratrians here and there, (quite a few here, actually), but by and large, the vast majority of people who become acquainted with the facts of this case instintively know that this Dale killed his ex-girlfriend, aka the kids' mom.

Dale cannot hold back the tide of information forever. The day will come - if he's not in jail first - when his kids will understand that their dad killed their beloved mom. Then, like OJ's kids, they will disown him.

 

[Thor]

Here is the connection to your point:

You said :
If it is true that Dale does not allow enough visitation rights to BP and YS then Dale is selfish or bad or whatever ... you name it.



And I described the twins situation and expressed how devastating it is for them emotionally, BECAUSE DALE IS KEEPING THEM FROM THEIR GRANDMA, AUNT and BIG BROTHER.

So my point is that YES, Dale is 'bad' because he is being spiteful and irreparably harming his children in the process.

He should be putting their emotional and mental health above everything else. They miss their mother terribly, and surely their aunt and grandmother would be the very best antidote.

And how do you know Dale is keeping the kids from their extended family? Because one party of this dispute says so? And if true, why? What happened? What transpired between the parties here to cause this to happen?

 

[Lark2]

IMO Agreed ... who would not want their children to be around people who say you are a murderer? If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

If Dale doesn't want those kids being exposed to this message, he's gonna have to home school them and keep them locked inside 24-7 with no access to the Internet and no friends. Does he really think that YS is the only one who's going to fill the kids in on the truth??? Unbelievable...

 

[Thor]

He can take them out of their envirnment temporarily but that's all it will be is a temporary fix. In other words, he can run but he can't hide. Just like OJ, his kids will someday know the truth, not the truth as Dale would have them know it, but the truth as it is.

Sure, there are a few scattered people and stalwart friends who believe Dale's story, and a few contratrians here and there, (quite a few here, actually), but by and large, the vast majority of people who become acquainted with the facts of this case instintively know that this Dale killed his ex-girlfriend, aka the kids' mom.

Dale cannot hold back the tide of information forever. The day will come - if he's not in jail first - when his kids will understand that their dad killed their beloved mom. Then, like OJ's kids, they will disown him.

Ok, tomorrow or the next day or soon we know for sure he's going to get charged and convicted of the murder of Michelle Parker. Given it has been 6 months since they have been investigating him and clearly have not charged him with any crime I have serious doubts about that.

BTW I never said I believe Dale's story or not, nor did I say I believe he's innocent or guilty. I actually have no opinion one way or the other. I respect facts and I don't see a lot of them here to make a decision. I am not sure if that makes me a "contrarian" as you put it or simply one of those who just are not acquainted enough with the facts as you also put it but perhaps you are right on both counts, I'll keep an open mind about that.

 

[Thor]

If Dale doesn't want those kids being exposed to this message, he's gonna have to home school them and keep them locked inside 24-7 with no access to the Internet and no friends. Does he really think that YS is the only one who's going to fill the kids in on the truth??? Unbelievable...

No, from the looks of it, it seems unlikely these kids will be able to get away from those who know the "truth" and will be more then willing to dish it out to these poor kids free of charge, but not entirely impossible if he takes them away from here and given enough time and enough distance.