FL - Multiple Fatalities at Mass Shooting at Madden Gaming Tournament, Jacksonville, 26 Aug 2018

[Jennifer17]

As I have predicted (and heartily applaud), the gamer conventions for Madden have been shut down. Its a murky world, with little oversight. Young people should be out earning an honest living by working from the shoulders down. The location didn't even have a permit to operate, that tells me everything I need to know.

It was shut down for safety concerns, nothing to do with gaming.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

And none of that would disqualify him?

It should - JMO

 

[glamourkitty1922]

And none of that would disqualify him?

Before you can be deprived of any of your rights and freedoms, you have to be adjudicated mentally ill, which means a judge has ruled on it. Voluntary admissions to a mental hospital and short involuntary observation stays don't count because there is no legal ruling. That's part of due process. Also, the hospital cannot admit you are there, that is private information protected by privacy and Hippa laws. So, the only way for the gov't to know the info is when a judge rules. It's supposed to be part of the background check policy. Also, a person can go in front of a judge and get their rights restored.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

As I have predicted (and heartily applaud), the gamer conventions for Madden have been shut down. Its a murky world, with little oversight. Young people should be out earning an honest living by working from the shoulders down. The location didn't even have a permit to operate, that tells me everything I need to know.

How is working on the computer not an honest living? Welcome to the future....in a few decades, all jobs will be on computer.

 

[human]

Living on the streets or under bridges or in tents should not be the option for people with mental health issues.

Are there no homelike options rather than the dungeons of the past?

I know of some people with severe mental illness and they prefer the freedom of the street. I don’t know why as four of them that I know have family.As long as they hurt no one, they are allowed to roam. Tourists do freak out when one starts having screaming fights with his own self. We are all used to it.

The govt ( not US) gives them a daily allowance so they don’t spend all of the monthly money at once.

There are no mental health services but drugs which must be taken in order to get the allowance

 

[Jennifer17]

Living on the streets or under bridges or in tents should not be the option for people with mental health issues.

Are there no homelike options rather than the dungeons of the past?

I know of some people with severe mental illness and they prefer the freedom of the street. I don’t know why as four of them that I know have family.As long as they hurt no one, they are allowed to roam. Tourists do freak out when one starts having screaming fights with his own self. We are all used to it.

The govt ( not US) gives them a daily allowance so they don’t spend all of the monthly money at once.

There are no mental health services but drugs which must be taken in order to get the allowance

That is really good idea.

 

[cybervampira]

How is working on the computer not an honest living? Welcome to the future....in a few decades, all jobs will be on computer.

Exactly! I‘m in the IT industry and never worked from my shoulders down (except I‘m mowing my lawn, lol). Hey, Websleuths wouldn‘t be here if it wasn‘t for tech nerds working from their shoulders up!

PS: Sent from my iPhone, invented by another dude who didn‘t make a “honest living“.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Exactly! I‘m in the IT industry and never worked from my shoulders down (except I‘m mowing my lawn, lol). Hey, Websleuths wouldn‘t be here if it wasn‘t for tech nerds working from their shoulders up!

PS: Sent from my iPhone, invented by another dude who didn‘t make a “honest living“.

Me too - it’s hard to make an honest living these days. Lol

 

[IceIce9]

As I have predicted (and heartily applaud), the gamer conventions for Madden have been shut down. Its a murky world, with little oversight. Young people should be out earning an honest living by working from the shoulders down. The location didn't even have a permit to operate, that tells me everything I need to know.

Gaming is an honest living. People make a living by playing pool, bowling, golf, football, and chess. Why is gaming singled out as a dishonest living?

Stealing, identity theft, scamming, phishing, those are dishonest ways of making a living.

 

[bluesneakers]

If the media can dig up a detailed mental health history of David Katz in about 24 hours, why can the same not be done for background checks before guns can be purchased?

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[PinkPrincessPoop]

Speaking of ^^^, do we yet know about the guns David Katz used? Did he buy them? Were they his father's?

 

[Jennifer17]

Speaking of ^^^, do we yet know about the guns David Katz used? Did he buy them? Were they his father's?

I remember reading that he owned them legally and had purchased them in Baltimore.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

I remember reading that he owned them legally and had purchased them in Baltimore.

That's so crazy!

 

[MaryG12]

Now that we're up and running again, can I please urge people to read the article that glamourkitty1922 posted a few days ago. There was rather a heated reaction to the term "chemical lobotomy" but if a serious journal such as Psychology Today believes that the current use of psychiatric drugs has a very similar effect to the former physical lobotomy, then it merits serious consideration.

Chemical Lobotomy

Great article, and from the link:

Depression may be an indication or warning that certain aspects of our life need attention - for example, that we need to change our environment or life-situation, improve our relationships, find a more fulfilling career and new hobbies, have more rest and relaxation, or more contact with nature.

BBM

Seems like much was lacking in DK's life, what with the way electronic devices can rule over our lives (if we let them).

 

[SunVenus]

Okay, just thinking out loud here, bear with me.

In one of the articles on DK I think it was said he bought the guns recently. Then he deliberately took them with him to the Madden event.

Did he intend early on to shoot the place up? Or was it a spur of the moment decision?

He probably went to the competition intending to win, so was his loss and the resulting murders not premeditated?

I'm not excusing DK and his deplorable choices, just wondering if it hadn't been the Madden tourny, would he have found some other place to shoot and kill?

 

[Jim G]

Okay, just thinking out loud here, bear with me.

In one of the articles on DK I think it was said he bought the guns recently. Then he deliberately took them with him to the Madden event.

Did he intend early on to shoot the place up? Or was it a spur of the moment decision?

He probably went to the competition intending to win, so was his loss and the resulting murders not premeditated?

I'm not excusing DK and his deplorable choices, just wondering if it hadn't been the Madden tourny, would he have found some other place to shoot and kill?

I agree, his bringing 2 guns, and not just one, is very suspicious. plus apparently one of them had an add on aiming device

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Did he intend early on to shoot the place up? Or was it a spur of the moment decision?

He probably went to the competition intending to win, so was his loss and the resulting murders not premeditated?

You raise questions I've been pondering myself over the past couple of days. If had had absolutely no intention of using them why take them? Why even take them with him to Florida in the first place?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Going back to the Mail article posted by cybervampira in #412:

Among the reasons for call-outs were sex offense, medical emergency, check on welfare, police information, domestic, mental illness, civil dispute, runaway and police assist, according to Howard County Police Department.

A sex offence by and against whom?

Those call-outs were between 2003 and 2009 when David would have been 9 to 15 (?) and his brother would have been 3 years older.

Jacksonville shooter had troubling history but passed background check | Daily Mail Online

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Has there been anything in MSM about the older brother's current situation? I notice that in the divorce papers and subsequent court documents it was stated that both brothers had mental health issues requiring ongoing treatment.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I was thinking further about the catalogue of reasons for police call-outs:

Among the reasons for call-outs were sex offense, medical emergency, check on welfare, police information, domestic, mental illness, civil dispute, runaway and police assist, according to Howard County Police Department.

When I saw "medical emergency" I'd assumed that was mental health related but that doesn't seem likely since "mental illness" was mentioned separately. So "medical emergency" must refer to physical health.

Is that related to "domestic", and what does "domestic" mean anyway? And what about "check on welfare"?

That sounds to me like a seriously troubled household. We know that David had been assessed as being capable of violence, so was he physically attacking his parents or brother, or was something else going on in the house?

It would be interesting to know who was calling the police - someone in the household or the neighbours?