FL - Sarah Boone, 42, charged with murdering boyfriend Jorge Torres, 42, by leaving him locked in suitcase, Winter Park, Feb 2020 #2

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I've watched quite a bit but not all of the trial so far. I'm currently watching her direct testimony and have not watched cross examination yet. I believe Sarah. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think she did not murder him and at most she is negligent homicide/manslaughter. This honestly looks like a death that wasn't premeditated and alcohol with a history of abuse. I don't understand the vitriol towards Sarah. Although she might be a complete mess and 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, that doesn't mean she should be found guilty of murder here IMO. Happy to have others discuss this issue and my opinion might change after cross etc.
 
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Serious question. Does Sarah have any diagnoses? I haven't followed the trial in its entirety. Has she been dx with borderline personality disorder? Just curious. I'm not a mental health professional, but her actions, behavior and history of losing everyone close to her a youngish age make that diagnosis obvious to me, a layperson. (My opinion)

Also, what's the deal with all the childish games? Arts and crafts, puzzles, hide and seek, etc. Was he mentally challenged? Or is she crafting some kind of narrative by saying those are the things she would "entertain" him with? Was it a way to explain why they, as adults, were allegedly playing hide and seek?

Again, sorry for what may be dumb/oft discussed questions.

As always, AJMO.
She was taking a prescription(s?) when arrested and the detectives told her that where she's going they have a pharmacy.
That said tonight on Peter's "LYK" he was asked the med question by a member and he said that if she is on meds the defense should let the jury know that and it could come out when one of the experts testify, I forgot which one.
Maybe a shrink?
 
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Do they base sentencing on how much suffering a victim experienced before death?
I believe the judges did in the Derek Chauvin trials.
The feds will also though IIRC all the defendants including Chauvin made a plea deal with the feds..
 
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Watched one YouTube commentator talk about how much trouble SB had closing the suitcase during testimony and he wondered why JT couldn’t just get out while she was zipping him in since she had so much trouble with it. So I just want to point out that we don’t know how much more damage was done to the zipper while JT was inside struggling to breathe and pushing against the suitcase. Also more damage done to it when she was hitting it with the bat. And it would have been easier if she was sitting on the floor beside it than standing and bending over as she did in court.
 
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She was taking a prescription(s?) when arrested and the detectives told her that where she's going they have a pharmacy.
That said tonight on Peter's "LYK" he was asked the med question by a member and he said that if she is on meds the defense should let the jury know that and it could come out when one of the experts testify, I forgot which one.
Maybe a shrink?

During one of the most recent pretrial hearings, the judge asked which medications she was on as part of questions he had for her to determine her clarity of mind. They had a list of what she gets from the jail staff. I don't recall the list (maybe someone else here has it) but it was a couple things like blood pressure medication and high cholesterol medication.
 
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I've watched quite a bit but not all of the trial so far. I'm currently watching her direct testimony and have not watched cross examination yet. I believe Sarah. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think she did not murder him and at most she is negligent homicide/manslaughter. This honestly looks like a death that wasn't premeditated and alcohol with a history of abuse. I don't understand the vitriol towards Sarah. Although she might be a complete mess and , that doesn't mean she should be found guilty of murder here IMO. Happy to have others discuss this issue and my opinion might change after cross etc.
Second Degree isn't premeditated murder, that is First Degree.
AB showed total disregard that JT couldn't breathe while she falsely imprisoning him in a suitcase for 11-12 hrs then found him dead.
For years they were co-partners in alcohol and physical abuse.
I'm with 2nd degree all the way.

Jul 25, 2024

Negligent Homicide vs Involuntary Manslaughter


brodenmickelsen.com
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'Second Degree Murder'​

"A person may be charged with second-degree murder in Florida if they commit one of the following acts:"

'Murder with a Depraved Mind'​

Murder with a depraved mind is committed when a person is killed, without premeditation. The murder happens as a result of an imminently dangerous act to another, demonstrating a depraved mind and displaying no regard for human life."

 
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Another one of SB's lies which the State prosecutor William Jay deftly exposed, the 'non-smoking home' which SB likes to tell all & sundry, is *one* of the reasons they retire to the back porch for their drinkies & smokes, but the LE walk thru pics showed more than one ash-tray brimming with stubbed out, stinkie ciggies, at 8 43 56 LIVE: Sarah Boone Testifies in Her Suitcase Murder Trial — FL v. Boone — Day 3.

I feel dreadfully sorry for the suffering Jorge Torres Jr. endured leading to his death & I feel deep sadness for his family & loved ones who've had to continue to suffer because of this compulsive-liar.

MOO
Corrected timestamp for video, 59 to 56;)
 
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During one of the most recent pretrial hearings, the judge asked which medications she was on as part of questions he had for her to determine her clarity of mind. They had a list of what she gets from the jail staff. I don't recall the list (maybe someone else here has it) but it was a couple things like blood pressure medication and high cholesterol medication.
Thanks so much for the info.
I'll check it out tomorrow and see if I can find the list.
 
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I've watched quite a bit but not all of the trial so far. I'm currently watching her direct testimony and have not watched cross examination yet. I believe Sarah. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think she did not murder him and at most she is negligent homicide/manslaughter. This honestly looks like a death that wasn't premeditated and alcohol with a history of abuse. I don't understand the vitriol towards Sarah. Although she might be a complete mess and , that doesn't mean she should be found guilty of murder here IMO. Happy to have others discuss this issue and my opinion might change after cross etc.

SB faces second, not first degree murder per her arrest affidavit. I'm not sure a grand jury would have been as lenient.

More recently, just before trial, SB was given an opportunity to plea to a lesser charge (manslaughter at 15 years sentence -- possible reduced by 85%), and she rejected the offer. Listening to JT beg for his life, and SB ignore his pleas and go to sleep, is why she was charged as written. IMO, the plea offer was a generous gift.

 
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Another one of SB's lies which the State prosecutor William Jay deftly exposed, the 'non-smoking home' which SB likes to tell all & sundry, is *one* of the reasons they retire to the back porch for their drinkies & smokes, but the LE walk thru pics showed more than one ash-tray brimming with stubbed out, stinkie ciggies, at 8 43 56 LIVE: Sarah Boone Testifies in Her Suitcase Murder Trial — FL v. Boone — Day 3.

I feel dreadfully sorry for the suffering Jorge Torres Jr. endured leading to his death & I feel deep sadness for his family & loved ones who've had to continue to suffer because of this compulsive-liar.

MOO
Corrected timestamp for video, 59 to 56;)
I noticed the ashtray in the photo of Jorge passed out with the bat.
 
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Second Degree isn't premeditated murder, that is First Degree.
AB showed total disregard that JT couldn't breathe while she falsely imprisoning him in a suitcase for 11-12 hrs then found him dead.
For years they were co-partners in alcohol and physical abuse.
I'm with 2nd degree all the way.

Jul 25, 2024

Negligent Homicide vs Involuntary Manslaughter


brodenmickelsen.com
https://www.brodenmickelsen.com › blog › what-is-the-..

'Second Degree Murder'​

"A person may be charged with second-degree murder in Florida if they commit one of the following acts:"

'Murder with a Depraved Mind'​

Murder with a depraved mind is committed when a person is killed, without premeditation. The murder happens as a result of an imminently dangerous act to another, demonstrating a depraved mind and displaying no regard for human life."

Thanks for sharing the definitions as per Florida Law. How much does having impairment like being drunk affect the idea of no disregard for human life? I'm not sure it is raised to that level here, but I haven't watched her cross yet.
SB faces second, not first degree murder per her arrest affidavit. I'm not sure a grand jury would have been as lenient.

More recently, just before trial, SB was given an opportunity to plea to a lesser charge (manslaughter at 15 years sentence -- possible reduced by 85%), and she rejected the offer. Listening to JT beg for his life, and SB ignore his pleas and go to sleep, is why she was charged as written. IMO, the plea offer was a generous gift.


That plea does seem like a good alternative to spending life in prison. I'm surprised they offered that!
 
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Where can I find the photo of Jorge passed out with the bat?
I'm not sure. It was shown during SB testimony on the stand. I think it was taken as a still from a video by the defence about the situation where Jorge bashed the tv with the bat
 
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Thanks for sharing the definitions as per Florida Law. How much does having impairment like being drunk affect the idea of no disregard for human life? I'm not sure it is raised to that level here, but I haven't watched her cross yet.
Respectfully snipped:

I'm not across this case by any means in terms of applicable law, but it's my opinion that the defense cannot have it both ways. Imo they haven't argued that SB was too drunk to know what she was doing, on the contrary, SB's own testimony is that she knew what she was doing when she supposedly "poked" JT's hand back into the suitcase with a baseball bat.

Her testimony ( which the jury is being asked to believe is credible as there are no witnesses and SB did not, suspiciously it seems to me, record this on her phone) is essentially; she sought to eliminate what she claims she experienced as a threat to her life by making sure JT's hand was forced back into the suitcase with a baseball bat after she saw said hand emerge.

Jeez for crying out loud, poor JT. What a joke that SB is trying to say she felt threatened in that moment. Imo she was enacting her revenge fantasy for cheating and past acts of violence and was enjoying the sound of him begging for air. I base this opinion on her documented behaviour both immediately before and after her claimed neutralising of JT as a threat to her life ( ie videos).

According to her testimony, after she forces JT's hand with the bat, she then begins recording the second video. Here, there is simply no doubt that JT is begging SB to let him out because he cannot breathe. SB ignores this. Her testimony proceeds, in summary, that she felt the threat to her life was neutralized so she went upstairs to bed.Moo

Here's the issue with her credibility imo. In her interview with detectives she claimed she left enough room for his hand so that he could get out of the suitcase, which is a direct contradiction to what she is claiming in her testimony, that she made sure the so called threat to her life was neutralized by using the bat to keep his hand from unzipping the case and getting out.


Regarding drunkenness; yes, she would have been better off arguing she remembered nothing at all about what happened with the suitcase, including making the videos where she taunts him and ignores his pleas to be released from the suitcase. That could have been charged as manslaughter imo. But she does not.

Instead she has testified to remembering that she neutralised this apparent immediate threat to her life which was JT, by using the bat to disable until he was no longer a threat to her, he being secured in the suitcase. If she remembers doing this, then imo it's not credible that she does not remember JT begging her to release him because he CANNOT BREATHE. That is BARD second degree murder according to the statute imo, and the jury has no reason to consider SB's level of drunkenness as mitigating substantive guilt. Jmo

Moo prosecution has the goods and law on their side to prove BARD SB has committed murder in the second degree. She was of a "depraved mind" when she did so; the direct evidence is in those video recordings made both before and after the so called 'overt act' which the jury has to take SB's word for.

Her credibility imo is totally shot to 🤬🤬🤬🤬 by her own testimony. The law is there to hold to account those like SB who break it. Jmo
 
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I've watched quite a bit but not all of the trial so far. I'm currently watching her direct testimony and have not watched cross examination yet. I believe Sarah. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think she did not murder him and at most she is negligent homicide/manslaughter. This honestly looks like a death that wasn't premeditated and alcohol with a history of abuse. I don't understand the vitriol towards Sarah. Although she might be a complete mess and , that doesn't mean she should be found guilty of murder here IMO. Happy to have others discuss this issue and my opinion might change after cross etc.

When you say you believe her, what do you believe?

Because she's told multiple versions. So I'm curious to see how a newcomer sees it.

Also, to point out there's a huge gap between involuntary manslaughter (this isn't) and pre-meditated murder. IMO it is highly possible that SB planned this entire situation in advance and is a cold blooded, calculated, murderer. The whole day of getting JT drinking whilst doing activities puzzles and games could have been designed to lure him into a false sense of security and childishness as well as total drunkenness whereby he was gullible enough to believe getting in the suitcase was a silly moment.

Whereas IMO she had planned it and knew it was the end of his life the minute she closed that zip. She had multiple grievances against JT, not least of which is he was no longer bringing her money. However, there's probably not enough evidence to run with that theory - I think LE could have done if they really wanted.

IMO this is being charged at the right level to secure conviction.
 
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Watched one YouTube commentator talk about how much trouble SB had closing the suitcase during testimony and he wondered why JT couldn’t just get out while she was zipping him in since she had so much trouble with it. So I just want to point out that we don’t know how much more damage was done to the zipper while JT was inside struggling to breathe and pushing against the suitcase. Also more damage done to it when she was hitting it with the bat. And it would have been easier if she was sitting on the floor beside it than standing and bending over as she did in court.

In her interview with detectives immediately prior her arrest, SB demonstrates the ease with which she pulled the zip in a circular motion and the exact distance she went with the zip. There was no mention of it being tricky or slow and she wooshed her arm round in a circle twice at the same size / scale to demonstrate.
 
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Another one of SB's lies which the State prosecutor William Jay deftly exposed, the 'non-smoking home' which SB likes to tell all & sundry, is *one* of the reasons they retire to the back porch for their drinkies & smokes, but the LE walk thru pics showed more than one ash-tray brimming with stubbed out, stinkie ciggies, at 8 43 56 LIVE: Sarah Boone Testifies in Her Suitcase Murder Trial — FL v. Boone — Day 3.

I feel dreadfully sorry for the suffering Jorge Torres Jr. endured leading to his death & I feel deep sadness for his family & loved ones who've had to continue to suffer because of this compulsive-liar.

MOO
Corrected timestamp for video, 59 to 56;)

She has said it multiple times how they sit out on the deck because they can smoke out there and not inside the house. So this evidence that there were several (four, I think) well-used large ashtrays around the home which is only a small two bed, is quite a shocker. She's a pathalogical liar IMO not a compulsive liar, there's a difference. She thinks the truth is that which defends her ego and actions IMO. She has no concept of what truth means. She's obviously been playing people off against each other since the day she was born - probably her parents / grandparents / siblings.

JMO MOO
 
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I don't know what I expected from the cross exam of SB but it wasn't the little I got, unfortunately. Maybe the state was limited in what it could address, I don't know but I am disappointed.
Agree - I wanted them to destroy her on the stand and/or for her to give us the Sarah "I fired 8 attorneys" Boone we've all come to know and not love.

I'm worried that the jury will buy her BSS BS without the deep knowledge of who she really is, with her perky "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" demeanor. The CourtTV analysts said she's one of the best witnesses to testify in her own defense they've seen. Let's hope that those videos made the first, and lasting, impression of her.

Let's hope the State's rebuttal case is stronger than their cross, and that their closing statements are a knock out punch.
 
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