• #401
Kendra sure wants to make Michelle happy.
If ya can't beat em join em.
imo


Kendra is the oldest of 9 children. She was homeschooled, and her parents are living with her and Joe.

That is a lot of responsibility. Kendra Duggar had a spouse chosen for her, by her father. He is a Baptist minister. Kendra Duggar is a victim here, as much as any other woman and child in this family/cult.
 
  • #402

Kendra is the oldest of 9 children. She was homeschooled, and her parents are living with her and Joe.

That is a lot of responsibility. Kendra Duggar had a spouse chosen for her, by her father. He is a Baptist minister. Kendra Duggar is a victim here, as much as any other woman and child in this family/cult.
It may sound hard, but we all have choices, and so does she. She's choosing him when he's freely admitted assaulting a child.

MOO
 
  • #403
It may sound hard, but we all have choices, and so does she. She's choosing him when he's freely admitted assaulting a child.

MOO

She is probably doing what she is told to do. I don't see it as much of a choice. She has zero to no formal education. Has never had a job. Her parents have never worked either, aside from her father's "ministry".

She probably owns nothing. Has nothing, but kids to feed, and a husband who is an admitted child molester. Plus her own legal issues.

Depriving women of an education, and saddling them with numerous children has pretty much takes away choices.
 
  • #404
She is probably doing what she is told to do. I don't see it as much of a choice. She has zero to no formal education. Has never had a job. Her parents have never worked either, aside from her father's "ministry".

She probably owns nothing. Has nothing, but kids to feed, and a husband who is an admitted child molester. Plus her own legal issues.

Depriving women of an education, and saddling them with numerous children has pretty much takes away choices.
Right! Reality is...she has no choices.
 
  • #405

Well, at least she told Joe she is focusing on their children. Not him.
 
  • #406
It may sound hard, but we all have choices, and so does she. She's choosing him when he's freely admitted assaulting a child.

MOO
Isn’t she just doing what she was programmed to do? Why would we expect anything different? I do have a level of compassion for Kendra.
 
  • #407
I have no sympathy for her. She is perpetuating the cycle of abuse. She’s as guilty as he is IMO.
 
  • #408
It may sound hard, but we all have choices, and so does she. She's choosing him when he's freely admitted assaulting a child.

MOO
Both can be true, as always. Kendra can be a victim and an adult responsible for her own choices at the same time.

In her situation, it is fair to say, it is a much bigger lift to shift her priorities from her undeserving husband than it is for other wives.

But it is still what she must do, IMO, in some shape or form that is her decision, to live her adult life without victimizing others or supporting a very credibly accused child molester.

Her life. Her responsibility. And it must be very, very, hard. I got the impression she also is saddled with some exhausting chronic health condition, too, as she referred to being lucky enough to have gotten some infusions. Health issues, 4 young children, her own legal issues, intrusive in-laws, questionable 12 grade education, no work experience, and a husband facing many years of incarceration.

She has a potential super-power, though. She already knows how to put her own needs aside better than the average person, which puts her way ahead of many to do what she has to do. She just has to take that self-deprecating focus off Joe and his family, and put the focus on her children.

MOO
 
  • #409
Kendra is the oldest of 9 children. She was homeschooled, and her parents are living with her and Joe.
Bbm

Interesting that they are not facing charges. I would have thought that if the charges came from something like locks on the doors, they would also be implicated.
 
  • #410

Well, at least she told Joe she is focusing on their children. Not him.
I do feel for her, but I disagree that she expressed that priority.

My listen of the phone calls was, Joe first. Everytime. She expressed some worry about the children, but generally dismissed them in the same sentence, switching focus to not worrying Joe and considering his need for comfort ahead of even being allowed to express worry for her children. She heard they are fine, she kept saying. She's so lucky she has Joes parents telling her to eat and giving her a good place to stay, she kept saying. She's was worried about her own charges, but when she tried to talk about them, Joe basically said he doesn't feel like dealing with them, he didn't even read the entire packet of what he was served with, and just turned to his comforting psalms.

That was the part of the conversation when a normal person would realize, this man is not even concerned about his children, or the demands on me at all. I've got big things to deal with, and the last thing I need to do with my time is listen to him compare bible translations.

Not to mention, he's incarcerated because he admits to molesting a child.

But, she didn't prioritize her children. She didn't prioritize herself, which in fairness, she doesn't quite have the luxury of doing beyond simple survival right now. She prioritized Joe, and glazing his family.

MOO
 
  • #411
I do feel for her, but I disagree that she expressed that priority.

My listen of the phone calls was, Joe first. Everytime. She expressed some worry about the children, but generally dismissed them in the same sentence, switching focus to not worrying Joe and considering his need for comfort ahead of even being allowed to express worry for her children. She heard they are fine, she kept saying. She's so lucky she has Joes parents telling her to eat and giving her a good place to stay, she kept saying. She's was worried about her own charges, but when she tried to talk about them, Joe basically said he doesn't feel like dealing with them, he didn't even read the entire packet of what he was served with, and just turned to his comforting psalms.

That was the part of the conversation when a normal person would realize, this man is not even concerned about his children, or the demands on me at all. I've got big things to deal with, and the last thing I need to do with my time is listen to him compare bible translations.

Not to mention, he's incarcerated because he admits to molesting a child.

But, she didn't prioritize her children. She didn't prioritize herself, which in fairness, she doesn't quite have the luxury of doing beyond simple survival right now. She prioritized Joe, and glazing his family.

MOO
What an insightful post!
 
  • #412
She is probably doing what she is told to do. I don't see it as much of a choice. She has zero to no formal education. Has never had a job. Her parents have never worked either, aside from her father's "ministry".

She probably owns nothing. Has nothing, but kids to feed, and a husband who is an admitted child molester. Plus her own legal issues.

Depriving women of an education, and saddling them with numerous children has pretty much takes away choices.
agree, when someone comes from this sort of culture as a female, they have been raised since day one in an atmosphere where they are expected to be sweet, compliant, uneducated, helpmeets. All decision making hasn't been removed from them so much as denied them from day one. I was thinking the other night about how in such belief structures the females are treated very much as children in that they are expected to be sweet, compliant, willing and voiceless. Is it any wonder some of the males end up not being able or willing, in their own thought processes, to distinguish the difference between grown women and children? They are viewed in a very similar light after all.
 
  • #413
I hope Joe goes away for a long time.

Maybe Kendra's parents are in a different house, they do have 8 children.

There is really something wrong when 20% of your children are arrested or incarcerated for crimes relating to sexual abuse of children.
 
  • #414
I think JD still has to appear for the Arkansas pending charges?
How I see this now with him not being able to be with any children "unsupervised " under the age of 18, which would include his 4 children that it's all up to CPS to monitor him.
That leaves great concerns in my book.
imo

I think he has a court date in Arkansas later this month.

He also cannot stay with his parents as they have a daughter or two still under 18.

Jim Bob should just put a big metal Nissen hut on his property and charge rent for all his friends and family awaiting trial who cannot have contact with minors.
 
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  • #415
I'm really surprised about Kendra's parents living with her and Joe, as they still have 5 children under 18, their youngest daughter is just 4. What a strange situation... did the victim tell her father because she was approached again by Joe or maybe because she suspected he was doing it to other kids?
 
  • #416
Bbm

Interesting that they are not facing charges. I would have thought that if the charges came from something like locks on the doors, they would also be implicated.
Grandparents lived in the home where the grandchildren were/could be locked in their bedrooms. Sick.
 
  • #417
While I definitely have a level of sympathy for Kendra, it only goes so far when you are an adult and are responsible for children. I've spent my entire upbringing surrounded by homeschoolers and those in the IBLP spheres. Honestly I am a few phone calls away from being able to hang out with this family myself if I wanted to (spoiler alert, I have never wanted to 😵‍💫). MANY people who grew up in this, with no formal education and "no choices" have ended up running away, spending time homeless, INCLUDING WITH CHILDREN, to escape all of this abuse especially to spare their children of this life. There are choices out there. They are hard. They go against everything you've been raised to do. But MANY people in these circles have done it (and been completely estranged and ostracized for it). But there's always a way out. Kendra and Anna have chosen to stay. That is their choice as American adults who have children. Think of that what you will.
 
  • #418
I can’t address Kendra and her particular upbringing but as far as Joseph Duggar goes, he’s been pretty much raised in a secular setting of TV cameras and production crews for most of his life.

He has access to social media both ways - posting and reading posts. So don’t tell me all his exposure to the real, non IBLP world remained invisible as he came of age.

It takes a choice to look deeply into what your parents have taught you and how those teachings don’t connect with what you see elsewhere. Did Joseph choose to adhere to the sexist, misogynistic tenets of his messed up family? Do he not learn anything from Josh’s conviction?

It’s hard enough to excuse Kendra (doesn’t she also have social media accounts?) but Joseph? IMO he knows better on some level but chose to follow his urges.
JMO
 
  • #419
While I definitely have a level of sympathy for Kendra, it only goes so far when you are an adult and are responsible for children. I've spent my entire upbringing surrounded by homeschoolers and those in the IBLP spheres. Honestly I am a few phone calls away from being able to hang out with this family myself if I wanted to (spoiler alert, I have never wanted to 😵‍💫). MANY people who grew up in this, with no formal education and "no choices" have ended up running away, spending time homeless, INCLUDING WITH CHILDREN, to escape all of this abuse especially to spare their children of this life. There are choices out there. They are hard. They go against everything you've been raised to do. But MANY people in these circles have done it (and been completely estranged and ostracized for it). But there's always a way out. Kendra and Anna have chosen to stay. That is their choice as American adults who have children. Think of that what you will.
The internet has made this a little less difficult. At least it is possible to find on line support for escaping high control situations, which mitigates the ostracism. A little.

It's a hard haul, but when you have children who are unsafe, you have to do it.

MOO
 

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