FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[dar107]

Eyes, I found your post gives a great feel as to what happened here. I havnt seen any names on here for a very long time as suspect other then mom. your rationale totally supports the theory of a unknown predator. if only we did have a name to go with this. I pray they find the perp soon,and this monster is removed from society. and then this poor mom will not have to be subject to what i consider completely unfounded allegations. Somer is the victim here, but her family are also victims of this person who took her away from all her loved ones.They maybe secondary victims so to speak, and then to be victimized by the public on unsubstantiated allegations just adds to their saddness and misery. I have heard DT reads here sometimes. If you see this DT, please know that many people see your grief and have no doubts that you had anything to do with this, and we all hope that you will have justice served to the IT that did this to your daughter.My deepest heartfelt condolences to you and your family.

 

[Dee10]

I am not familiar with a sub-forum. What is the difference than what it is set up as now?

OK, I hope I can explain this right...I am sure we will be given guidance. But instead all these threads it will be organized with categories, that when you come on here you can see where you want to go. I'll just throw quickly out what you may see (made up examples) as topics, then you click the link where you want to go:

Threads:
Media
Facts
Theories
Dreams
Maps
News 1/14/09
Nancy Grace

It is very important though to keep on the topic you are posting on. In a long case (hopefully this won't be) it makes it easier to go back & find facts or links to post, everyone doesn't have to keep repeating themselves. If there is a public custody battle you could skip that topic & go to "Theories" with people who want to discuss that. You can start your own thread within whatever the guidelines will be. It is so much easier if you are away for a few days to catch-up, because you only catch up with what you are interested in. I am really excited and I think once it gets going will be less frustrating for everyone. Maybe someone else want to share what they think?

 

[eyes4crime]

And yet the person you indicate by your description never had crime scene tape around his home. Where do you suppose he commited this crime? What motive, what time, how did he manage to hide the body? Do you think it was a sexual molestation killing. Did it leave DNA? Stuff liike that.

My post #90 answers some of your questions - and the rest - I have no idea, it would be all speculation based on little or no information. mho

 

[Dee10]

LOL....Eyes, I must have been typing while you posted about the sub-forum. You summed it great.

 

[eyes4crime]

LOL....Eyes, I must have been typing while you posted about the sub-forum. You summed it great.

I forgot to mention the tremendous effort of Noway who has diligently collected facts along the way. Now she can put her abundance of facts in the right thread for our use. I can't say enough good words about what Noway has done for us here on the Somer thread. mho

 

[houndstooth]

Thanks Eyes for your answers. When there is a lack of evidence for your suspect based on what has been released, then we can look to words and actions by LE to see if we are on the right track. Your suspect is an RSO. He would have been directly investigated by LE to see if there were any involvement. He would have had DNA on file.
His home and vehicles would have been searched. His home had no crime scene tape, so was therefore discounted as being involved in the crime. His vehicle if used (1) why would he have disposed of the body near his current or former home? (2) would it not have revealed evidence of the crime? It takes just 6 weeks for this type of DNA comparisons. If his motive were sexual molestation, then he did not have time to spend in this before the body was disposed of as LE was on the neighborhood scene in growing numbers from 5pm onward. Very chancy to have done something after that time. So then you presume he just killed her for no reason. Just because? Since as you say it happened quickly, and body hidden immediately. OK the vehicle is out apparantly so then he walked? Borrowed someone else's that LE didn't know about? Still does not explain driving no further than the area where LE is already alerted. Or where someone is presumably searching. I can not think this person would be involved at all or would have been announced to have been arrested or arraigned already. I do not consider him a suspect. Just not up for citizen of the year award as all around nice guy either.

 

[ChickenPants]

Ooh - I thought you were the one who brought the two articles about dad responding to kids being in the woods with a stranger. Dad T using that article IS about custody!!!

Well, you can flame me, now, because I was not going to post on this thread. So far the terms that were put in #1 have been violated because it's not supposted to be about parenting, and as far as I can recall, TOS state that people should not target or be rude to other posters.

The news reporter gave us the article because it was significant to the case. He even stated himself it was his duty to do so, in spite of his personal feelings. My respect goes out to him.

The father was most likely interviewed as a follow-up to the story because in his town, the subject was significant. He is, after all, the other parent of the murdered child. He said nothing detrimental about the mother at all. He, in fact, indirectly blamed social services for not doing a better job in following up on the problem.

Anyone reading both articles will see that the reporters were very careful to state the facts. So far on here, the facts have again been posted totally out of context. Such as the fact that free day care was offered and declined.

There are numerous posts on thread 34 and elsewhere regarding strict protocols about investigating and preventing child neglect, and the fact that it is a legal requirement for any persons caring for children to report it. Reporting suspected neglect or criminal activity by non-caregivers would fall probably under the Good Samaritan Law. There are also links providing statistics of the higher likelihood of children being murdered who are not supervised. It is up to posters here to read or discount these statistics and facts, to read entire articles or just focus on the parts of them that bolster their own opinions.


Please not that I have not said anything about DT OR parenting in this post. If this thread is closed.

 

[eyes4crime]

Thanks Eyes for your answers. When there is a lack of evidence for your suspect based on what has been released, then we can look to words and actions by LE to see if we are on the right track. Your suspect is an RSO. He would have been directly investigated by LE to see if there were any involvement. He would have had DNA on file.
His home and vehicles would have been searched. His home had no crime scene tape, so was therefore discounted as being involved in the crime. His vehicle if used (1) why would he have disposed of the body near his current or former home? (2) would it not have revealed evidence of the crime? It takes just 6 weeks for this type of DNA comparisons. If his motive were sexual molestation, then he did not have time to spend in this before the body was disposed of as LE was on the neighborhood scene in growing numbers from 5pm onward. Very chancy to have done something after that time. So then you presume he just killed her for no reason. Just because? Since as you say it happened quickly, and body hidden immediately. OK the vehicle is out apparantly so then he walked? Borrowed someone else's that LE didn't know about? Still does not explain driving no further than the area where LE is already alerted. Or where someone is presumably searching. I can not think this person would be involved at all or would have been announced to have been arrested or arraigned already. I do not consider him a suspect. Just not up for citizen of the year award as all around nice guy either.

You're right, based on what little info we have, my #1 suspect is WK a RSO who lived in the area - here's why:

1. WK is a RSO with a history of violence and child rape
2. WK lived in a home in the area with a woman who passed away
3. WK was asked to leave the home by the woman's daughter
4. WK has a relative in a nearby nursing home
5. WK left the home he lived in and went to live with family - he forgot to tell LE of his new living arrangements - he was arrested for parole violation. Has been in jail ever since.

We know that predators react to stress - called a trigger
he lost a person who housed him, she helped him look somewhat normal??? If you review his criminal history, WK certainly has the disposition for sadistic and violent behavior. That might have been exacerbated when asked to move out of his friend's home. We don't know how many victims he has had since his last arrest - maybe many - maybe none!

Since he no longer lived in the area - it would make sense to me that he would dump the body in an unsuspecting place - a place he no longer was at. I have no doubt he knew all about the garbage compactors and where it was dumped.

Much of the incriminating DNA and evidence may have been destroyed by Somer being dumped in the garbage

He knew the neighborhood - he lived there for quite some time. I don't know about his car - he may have known a place to hide/park it and never put Somer in the car. I bet he knew about the house on Gano and that there were sex offenders who had worked there - he would be the kind to try and set them up for the murder of Somer. mho

As I said - if it's not WK, I think it's another sex offender, lots of those slugs haven't been caught and are therefore, not registered or have their DNA on file. all just my opinions and subject to change when more info is given out.

 

[ChickenPants]

I don't see how any agency could rule that the kids were safe walking home if they didn't even know their way home from school. If they were all together as they were supposed to be then the 9 year old should have known the way. I'm not buying that the kids got lost and ended up in the woods. Who the heck was this stranger and how did the kids end up with a stranger? If DFCS was called by some neighbor or teacher then this person must have felt that these particular kids were in danger due to not having enough supervision. If hoardes of children walked home from this school and if it's such a normal everyday thing that people should be allowed to do then why single out one little family and report them to the agency. The news of the kids in the woods should have come out long ago. Somer may have continued to go into the woods alone when she ran off from her siblings, which is probably exactly what happened last year.

Read the first article again: It states that Somer denied ever being lost (we know she didn't get lost because she wandered and knew her way around everywhere); little ST said they only got lost "once", and they never interviewed AT. Dt stated they had never gotten lost.

This is on the interview. Supposedly there are follow-up investigations done and more interviews (over a 2 week period). It was the case manager who recommended day care. When she submitted the report, the supervisor reviewed it, and based on its contents, decided it was a low-risk situation. She stated child care may be recommended but not mandatory if it put financial hardship on the mother. That would indicate that the first (YWCA) option would be the less viable one. The school day care was free or reduced. Mother said she would consider the options but declined.

 

[eyes4crime]

Exert from post #107 - chickenpants

BBM
The news reporter gave us the article because it was significant to the case. He even stated himself it was his duty to do so, in spite of his personal feelings. My respect goes out to him.

How can you say that you respect this reporter - he put together a media spot that was COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED - and he says it's his duty! What kind of reporting is that?

ETA: Interesting that this reporter didn't question why such an event involving children in the woods with a stranger didn't go to LE?????? Does anyone really thing a social worker is the person to investigate such an accusation?

I'm going to do a check on this reporter to see if/how he knows dad T. I just have to.

 

[eyes4crime]

Read the first article again: It states that Somer denied ever being lost (we know she didn't get lost because she wandered and knew her way around everywhere); little ST said they only got lost "once", and they never interviewed AT. Dt stated they had never gotten lost.

This is on the interview. Supposedly there are follow-up investigations done and more interviews (over a 2 week period). It was the case manager who recommended day care. When she submitted the report, the supervisor reviewed it, and based on its contents, decided it was a low-risk situation. She stated child care may be recommended but not mandatory if it put financial hardship on the mother. That would indicate that the first (YWCA) option would be the less viable one. The school day care was free or reduced. Mother said she would consider the options but declined.

Please clue me in on what this has to do with Somer being murdered while walking home from school??????? TIA

 

[ChickenPants]

Didn't know a COD was given - I know she was murdered, but exactly what caused her death is unknown to me. What was it? TIA

The cause of death is not being released to the public. The mother and family were also prohibited from knowing the cause of death. E.g., DT stated in various interviews and articles that she knew "nothing" about what happened to Somer "how she died" or "even what day she passed away". You can go back to Noway's summary to find the interviews and articles or go back on previous threads where this has been discussed.

It is normal protocol for the Coroner's office to make autopsy results available to the family. All they have to do is provide the proper identification, and it can be requested by mail. There are no exceptions to this in any state. The only exception is when there is an ongoing homicide investigation and LE or the Coroner (who is LE) has made a decision to deny it.

 

[eyes4crime]

The cause of death is not being released to the public. The mother and family were also prohibited from knowing the cause of death. E.g., DT stated in various interviews and articles that she knew "nothing" about what happened to Somer "how she died" or "even what day she passed away". You can go back to Noway's summary to find the interviews and articles or go back on previous threads where this has been discussed.

It is normal protocol for the Coroner's office to make autopsy results available to the family. All they have to do is provide the proper identification, and it can be requested by mail. There are no exceptions to this in any state. The only exception is when there is an ongoing homicide investigation and LE or the Coroner (who is LE) has made a decision to deny it.

I thought the comment I was responding to said the COD had been given out (I thought the meaning was to the public) - I made a mistake. The person clarified the response.

 

[ChickenPants]

Exert from post #107 - chickenpants

BBM
The news reporter gave us the article because it was significant to the case. He even stated himself it was his duty to do so, in spite of his personal feelings. My respect goes out to him.

How can you say that you respect this reporter - he put together a media spot that was COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED - and he says it's his duty! What kind of reporting is that?

I'm going to do a check on this reporter to see if/how he knows dad T. I just have to.

"You" might want to go back and read on thread #34 where he posted a follow-up to the article. He explains his reason for the story very well.
He remains sympathetic to the mother. So go back and read it before you start blaming him, as well.

 

[ChickenPants]

As far as sub-forums, I think a "Missing, found deceased" forum is perfectly adequate to discuss the Somer Thompson investigation. There are summaries in the beginning of every thread that give plenty of information to read, and without any other hard evidence coming in, we can only go by what we currently have.

Sub Forums are fine if one wants to keep discussing one specific area of one's own interest. But looking at the big picture in light of what has been released, together with any new media reports or comments, is adequate for the the case itself.

As far as the latest news articles, they did not come from The National Enquirer or some news rag. Articles have to pass through the editor and references and information are checked before they are printed. Both articles referred to new information available and those articles are better than NO media attention to this poor child's murder.

 

[eyes4crime]

"You" might want to go back and read on thread #34 where he posted a follow-up to the article. He explains his reason for the story very well.
He remains sympathetic to the mother. So go back and read it before you start blaming him, as well.

The story, along with dad T's response, is posted on this thread. I posted the original story because people need to know what he was responding to.

Did you see the initial comments about this media spot? Once again, something was being used to slander mom Diena and tell the world how negligent she really is. The incident was completely unfounded and should NEVER have been published to begin with. I think it was made up - never happened at all just my opinions

 

[ChickenPants]

Please clue me in on what this has to do with Somer being murdered while walking home from school??????? TIA

There are also links providing statistics of the higher likelihood of children being murdered who are not supervised. It is up to posters here to read or discount these statistics and facts, to read entire articles or just focus on the parts of them that bolster their own opinions.

 

[eyes4crime]

As far as sub-forums, I think a "Missing, found deceased" forum is perfectly adequate to discuss the Somer Thompson investigation. There are summaries in the beginning of every thread that give plenty of information to read, and without any other hard evidence coming in, we can only go by what we currently have.

Sub Forums are fine if one wants to keep discussing one specific area of one's own interest. But looking at the big picture in light of what has been released, together with any new media reports or comments, is adequate for the the case itself.

As far as the latest news articles, they did not come from The National Enquirer or some news rag. Articles have to pass through the editor and references and information are checked before they are printed. Both articles referred to new information available and those articles are better than NO media attention to this poor child's murder.

I think it was really nice of Tricia to offer us an opportunity for sub forems. They are more work for the mods but allow people to start their own threads of interest. For instance, if you want to start a thread how mom Diena is negligent - you can do it and people who are interested would visit it.

Noway's wonderful collection of organized facts can now be distributed in threads that are specific to them. I happen to think it's a GREAT idea! moo

 

[eyes4crime]

There are also links providing statistics of the higher likelihood of children being murdered who are not supervised. It is up to posters here to read or discount these statistics and facts, to read entire articles or just focus on the parts of them that bolster their own opinions.

I bet those stats are really high - there sure are lots of kids walking home from school each day. More moms than ever are working and counting on siblings to help with the smaller ones. imo, if a child predator goes after his prey - the child could be sitting under a tree in his/her backyard or asleep in the bedroom, and the prey will be caught. moo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Thank you Tricia, it would save a lot of confusion and people could stay out of threads they have no interest in, so less bickering & less work. :dance:

:woohoo:

Yes,Thank you Tricia for a sub forum if you make one.It will help put all the information in the right places and be in order so we can see it better.Thank you.:woohoo: